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Aaron
07-06-2013, 12:11 AM
About 6-7 weeks ago, I was first put in touch with Eric Dollard in order to discuss his participation in the recent conference. We had planned on him coming up to spend a week at my home for him to draft up his presentation out line. After the date was set and the general itinerary was planned, the Coyote left the dessert and followed his voodoo, which landed him in Spokane at the exact time as planned.



I drove to the meeting location to meet the legend himself, in person, for the very first time. We sat around the table at my friend’s café and freaked out a handful of the customers sitting around us with the lively and detailed conversation about Eric’s trip, our interests and world affairs. We had a good ol time.


Afterward, Eric followed me in his famous Toyota Corolla with the “free energy fusebox” all the way to my house with no place to setup camp. The Coyote kept wanting to run off and was hard to contain but nobody got bit, so that was good!


In between the technical discussions and fish stories, we worked on the book. The powerpoint presentation came first and I really wasn’t looking forward to being the one to put that together. The four-quadrant theory has always been a mystery to me seeing that my background is not in electrical engineering or mathematics so as intimidating as the project seemed, I jumped right in.


Fortunately, Eric knew exactly what he wanted in the powerpoint and in what sequence – at least enough to make the general outline for him to scurry back into the bush in order to start writing out his talk. While building the powerpoint, I was able to get more of a picture of what the four-quadrant theory was about. This talk was meant to bridge the gap a bit for the non-technical person since the other papers on the subject are strictly technical in nature – but this one included many simple analogies about moon phases and other things that the average person can relate to.
While Eric was writing his notes, it turned into a book – the fastest one he ever wrote. And, he did it in just a few weeks. We kept in touch off and on while he back in his hole at Lone Pine and we sent up a time for him to come back up so we could make the final revisions to the powerpoint.


On the day we had planned on meeting, my spidey-senses told me that I should head down to the location earlier than I had planned on meeting and Eric’s voodoo landed him there to the minute. It was an amazing synchronicity. Coyotes don’t need maps or clocks, they just follow their instincts.


We had another lively discussion in the café while freaking out a few more people and then we headed up to my home for some more work on the presentation. We finished up the powerpoint and by this time, Eric had already discarded about 500 pages of notes, which he regarded as obsolete because during the outlining phase for the presentation, it had already advanced and took on a life of its own.



What we were left with is a powerpoint with the historical sequence of events relating to the mathematics, how that evolved into the four-quadrant system along with plenty of analogies and other examples that makes it make sense for a lot more people than it did before.



What Eric also had besides the powerpoint was a book of notes for the presentation and enough material, which is literally a book that stands on its own even without the presentation. Other than my home, Eric enjoyed staying out at my friend Jeff’s home which was more out in the sticks – just where Eric likes to be.



While he was there in the outer skirts of Spokane, he wrote another few hundred pages, which is part of the book.



So, the first day of the conference, we went out to check out the place with a bit of setting up. Eric was busy talking with a friend and I was attending to conference business. As people were piling into the building, Eric’s group of spectators standing around him grew like a cloud of mosquitoes.


On Saturday, Mark McKay brought out his replication of Eric’s experiment from back in the late 80’s to early 90’s, which consisted of a pulse generator and some antenna coils with a light bulb in between. Mark had some issues getting it to work and Eric got busy working his magic. After a while, it was working!



I didn’t understand what the point of the experiment was until later, but what we all witnessed was something that demonstrated the reality to Tesla’s “Radiant Matter.” By simply holding up a high voltage capacitor in mid air in front of the light bulb between the antennas, it charged up to over 5000 volts.



Not only did the capacitor charge, you could feel the pressure emanating from the light bulb – that was the radiant matter emission that Tesla talked about. Eric was intercepting the radiant matter with his fingers and charged himself up to 5000 volts – all without getting “shocked”.



This was the first known replication of Eric’s experiments on this particular setup, which he demonstrated years ago in the Borderland videos. But what is shocking to Eric is how many years have passed before someone finally did it!


All the information necessary to build your own will be available in the near future with pictures, schematics, descriptions, etc… so stay tuned for that and much more.


On Sunday, we had to skip the panel discussion and went straight to Eric’s talk – Four Quadrant Representation of Electricity. And again, what is different about this presentation compared to the older Four Quadrant papers is that there is the history included that leads up to the development of it with simple analogies to help bridge the gap between the non-engineer or mathematician and this theory.


This particular presentation will be available on video in the next couple weeks and within a couple months from that, the complete presentation in book form will be available. The book will include the mathematics that wasn’t given in the talk.



During Eric’s presentation, it was exciting to see so many people sitting on the edge of their chair for the next piece and the next piece and after the last slide, the applause was absolutely moving. Following the presentation was about a half an hour of Q & A from the audience.


Many of those questions were somewhat related indirectly to the talk, but there were many general questions that many people had wanted to ask Eric for years. The Q & A might as well be a separate presentation on its own. There was some very interesting stories that Eric shared in regards to what was being asked including his experiences with large power generators doing things on the power company’s lines that aren’t “supposed” to be possible. All of this will be included at the end of the video presentation.


After the conference quite a few people were so thrilled with what Eric was sharing that they gave generously to his cause. And over a few days, something transpired that now has him snapping like a rapid Coyote. And, this brings up the whole deal that we are all too familiar with in the life of Eric Dollard. The same old story where everyone trying to “help” him out is really appears to be helping themselves to Eric Dollard.



Now, I’ve heard these stories over the years and didn’t have any reason to believe or not believe it, but I do understand these kinds of things happen. Well, let me tell you… I’m pretty fricking speechless because I’m in the middle of it with not just being a witness, but suddenly I find myself being attacked by what appears to be some nefarious elements pretending to help Eric. Now the Coyote wants to run to the bushes and hide forever and this situation needs to be corrected and needs to be corrected now.


Personally, I’m not really known to be someone that rolls over like a dog and pees on itself when this kind of thing happens and because of what happened, I’m inclined to start snapping like a rapid dog myself.



As much as I want to go into the details on this dog and pony show that has recently latched itself onto Eric Dollard and his potential laboratory operation, I’ll let that be for now, but this is to act a serious warning to the perpetrators that the end of their BS is near. We can’t let Eric get screwed again.

jimm
07-06-2013, 04:47 AM
Waaaay too much drama!
EPD is a 60 year old ADULT who does not need a "keeper", which has been proven by his ability to adapt and live in various environments as a homeless person.

If someone is lavishing large gifts, it's a given that strings will be attached.
It's akin to corporate or university science...there's ALWAYS an agenda...
either you accept the price of the gift, or walk away.

Giving talks and receiving donations appear to be a lifestyle choice for him.
(Like an itinerant preacher in the old days, except Eric preaches the gospel of free energy)
Leave him in peace. It is obvious that he does not like the pressure of having to "produce" anything tangible in a lab.

If there have not been any working devices to change the world coming from his various labs in the last 30 years, I doubt that we will see anything in the future. Sorry, but sometimes history is an indicator of future results.

I though the title of this post was catchy enough for a "Doctor Phil" show.
Maybe that should be your little group's next venue?

Don't get me wrong, Eric is some kind of force of nature, but also an enigma that none of you will ever solve.
Leave him be. Eric will do what is good for Eric, as he always does.

Look at this from his perspective, even you want something from him, ie; the book, getting the message out, etc. I propose that he doesn't really give a damn about any of it. You assume that he wants your vision for his life.
Never assume ANYTHING!

t-rex
07-08-2013, 03:52 PM
Here I am seeing the same old mind virus entering the organism again -
"Tesla Transmission is EM Radiation" but Tesla says otherwise. I guess Tesla was stupid, well is he?

(Note that a common frequency is 1860 KC, the one hundredth harmonic of Alexanderson's setup in Bolinas - KET)

Also, like a coyote, you cannot "cage" the unit, it must have a capacitance to outer space, not Earthly surfaces. I think Dr. Green shows this.

As a side note, my laboratory organization is being hi-jacked by Giant Negros From Mars, but I am trying to set it back on it's B.T. L. course. Wish Me Luck!

garrettm4
07-08-2013, 06:34 PM
Aaron,

I reread your post, on the page preceding this one, and it now has me in a state of great alarm and concern. I get the sneaking suspicion that you are attempting to undo all the good that Techzombie, David Wittekind et al have done for Eric with the indegogo fundraising campaign and the new laboratory. I don't have any proof that your less than amicable "announcement" was indeed directed towards them, but the content of your writing strongly suggests so.

Furthermore, I would have to agree with Jimm on the subject:

Look at this from his perspective, even you want something from him, ie; the book, getting the message out, etc. I propose that he doesn't really give a damn about any of it. You assume that he wants your vision for his life.
Never assume ANYTHING!

Jimm appears to be quite logical in his thoughts regarding your recent post, probably because he's not looking to latch on to Eric and use him as a means to make profit.

Taking from the Bedini-Lindermann 2013 Conference page, your presentation at the conference, in your own words, are as follows:

ENERGYPRENEURSHIP - ONLINE GUERILLA AFFILIATE MARKETING - Aaron's online marketing systems and methodologies have tapped into a very small niche market of "Free Energy" yet has been able to generate nearly half a million dollars in revenue over the last few years and he put a majority of that into the pockets of those who helped spread the word. Learn the basic steps of setting up an effective online marketing campaign as an affiliate to generate an above average income increasing the awareness of advanced energy technologies. John Bedini & Peter Lindemann Conference 2013 (http://www.energyscienceforum.com/bedini-lindemann-2013/), Energetic Science Ministries™ | Energetics (http://www.esmhome.org/) & for comedic relief Will Ferrell Oh Sweet Irony (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxJh6slAqXM)

To be honest, I don't have a clue as to what "ONLINE GUERILLA AFFILIATE MARKETING" means (let alone why you capitalize it all--are you yelling?) but it certainly doesn't sound what a "spiritually enlightened" person would do to make an honest dollar. Furthermore, I don't feel your mixing of philosophy and "spirituality" with free-energy research ("Energetic Science Ministries"?) is doing anything productive--quite to the contrary, it may be having the exact opposite effect on the efficacy of real work being done. And as far as I am aware, it's a ploy to lure the weak of mind and kind of heart to fund your ridiculous and futile lifestyle.

It's my contention that your are actively and intentionally seeking to make conflict with the EPD Labs group in an attempt to use Eric as a means to make profit, at any cost to Eric and his research. While Eric is a grown man, and can make his own decisions, I still feel you are trying to twist and contort the seemingly productive situation he has with EPD Labs. Is this what a spiritual person would do? I wouldn't believe so, however, this is indeed what an avarice filled human would do. It would seem you more resemble the latter. To be honest, I'm quite offended by your "Kansas shuffle" and lack of decency.

I encourage anyone else who has something to say regarding this matter, to speak up. Its best that the issue be be addressed in public, as well as in amicable terms. So if anyone from EPD Labs has something to say, now might be a good time, before Aaron closes this thread and starts a new one, or what else he might do to avoid the subject.

Also, if you're out there reading this Eric, and feel so inclined, I would love to hear your side of the story, aside from short quips about "Martian Negros" etc. Which while humorous, does nothing to answer the details of the situation or treat it seriously.

Respectfully,

Garrett M

dR-Green
07-08-2013, 07:13 PM
... anyone else who has something to say regarding this matter...

You have new PM.

techzombie
07-09-2013, 12:04 AM
Hello All.

Garret, Thank you for speaking truth. Warriors are needed in this fight now more than ever.

Indeed Aaron was speaking about us. Everything Aaron said is 100% true.... ABOUT HIM.

This perverse method of telling huge and complete lies has a name, psychological projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection). Imagine a rapist who claims that it was his victim that seduced him, this is Arron's MO. Was it your mother who raised you this way Aaron? Someone did because you don't just get this way without training... from birth!

Basically he smells money. All the Good that David Wittekind, David Webster and all the people who fought to get the word out about Eric's work is now being pimped out for a few schkles. Thanks to the hard work of everyone we have done alot more than just raise money we have given people alot of hope and built up Eric as a new symbol of hope.

Now Aaron seeks to capitalize on that hard work, like any bottom feeding parasite does. This is what "online guerrilla marketing" is all about. Aaron has no problem replacing people like checkers pieces when he no longer needs them. Lindemann and Bedini are feeling that now I would bet. Eric will feel it as well once Aaron see's that without the people backing Eric all of Aaron's his schkle laiden dreams will not come to bear and Arron will dump Eric on the side of the road after having sucked his last drop of blood.

This began when David Webster politely made his disapproval of Aaron's deliberate attempt to snub David, fund raising at the Conference. Aaron tried to cut David out of his duties and direct all funds to Eric, not to enrich Eric but to buy points with him at the cost of the operation. When David politely made this known and I politely made it clear to Aaron that we would work much better as a team he feigned ignorance and viscously attacked David Webster's character and tried to intimidate him in a way that was truly despicable. He accused David of doing exactly what Aaron was trying to do, pervert everything to profit himself.

David has been THE MOST HONEST PERSON I HAVE EVER MET IN MY LIFE, Thru all of this. David collected the funds and SENT every DIME to Eric!!! David even paid the transfer fee's himself and now David will have to pay taxes on over $30,000. Yet Aaron accuses him of letting his greed and ego get in the way????? Imagine if Aaron had collected that money... Aaron is the type of guy to charge you for having a smoke with him.

I made my disapproval of his repugnant behavior known... The result? He attacks me in the exact same way and then issues a blatant threat about me "digging my grave deeper"....

It gets far worse however and this shows you exactly how sick and twisted this creature really is. He started doing background checks on all of us. Especially me. He discovered I used to be a wild MMA fighter and would chase dancers and rise around on exotic custom motorcycles etc.. Then he contacted everyone he could and tried to defame me. Now Aaron thinks he has some kind of power over me and thinks he has leverage to destroy my "reputation"

We are dealing with a real sicko here everyone. After this happened several people stepped forward and shared their Aaron Murakami horror stories with me. This guy has a chronic habit of stealing peoples ideas, embezzling money and simply being a crude and repulsive liar. The fact that he is running this forum makes alot of things clear. Now I know why nothing major has come out of all the super smart folks here...

The worst thing out of all of this is that now Aaron is basically turning Eric against us. David Wittekind has SOLD his HOUSE, put up his entire 401K and MAXXED out his credit cards to make this thing work. David Webster has been there for Eric and spent countless hours being his sole friend and transcribing all his notes. None of us would have known of Eric now where it not for David Webster. Eric would just be a fossil of Borderlands where it not for the SELFLESS sacrifices of both David's and all the amazing folks who spread the word about Eric.

Now we are dealing with a situation where everything is about to be undone by one man's greed. This is truly disgusting and infuriating. Everyone that came forward to tell me about Aaron has told me the same story. Outrageous lies, Aaron accuses them of exactly what he is doing, attacks their character, brute intimidation, bans them and pockets any cash if he can. Several people have come forward already and I have a feeling this is just the tip of the iceberg. A few other forums have been started just to get away from Aaron's bs.

This needs to end and end now. Aaron, is not the type to be reasoned with. Everyone here at EPD Labs and AetherForce... we are warriors, we're not here to count change. We're here to Fight for the Truth and strike a blow for science and the humanity that depends on it. We take that VERY seriously. We've fought off hackers, an army of shills and even a few hostile NGO's already but.... as Cicero said...

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

I didn't sit on my ass and let another Tesla vanish in the desert and I sure as hell am not going to sit back and watch a mini Morgon, except with the mind of a petty their, ruin a lifetime of work just when it is about to break thru.

Calling all Warriors to fight back this vile gremlin virus. All those who have been screwed by this guy and know his nature, make it known to us.
Don't worry... he only has like 2 hit points and can't hurt anyone with his wooden sword of small minded greed +1

We the people have plenty of other places we can go and we see exactly what you are. We don't need you. You need us. The very same passion and faith that helped raise Eric up again can even more easily TEAR YOU DOWN.


-TechZombie + We the People


P.S. Aaron.. do your worst kid. You can upload pics of me with two Japanese Gogo Dancers if you want. I might send you some.

Web000x
07-09-2013, 12:09 AM
I encourage anyone else who has something to say regarding this matter, to speak up. Its best that the issue be be addressed in public, as well as in amicable terms. So if anyone from EPD Labs has something to say, now might be a good time, before Aaron closes this thread and starts a new one, or what else he might do to avoid the subject.

Also, if your out there reading this Eric, and feel so inclined, I would love to hear your side of the story, aside from short quiffs about "Martian Negros" etc. Which while humorous, does nothing to answer the details of the situation or treat it seriously.

Thanks for starting this off, Garrett. I would have said something sooner but was at a loss for words when EPD Labs was called by Aaron "nefarious elements pretending to help Eric". After two years of selflessly helping Eric, I was absolutely speechless that my intentions were called nefarious. Having my own life to deal with, I was just going to let this one settle rather than trying to prod a fire. After all, Eric should know what my true intentions are after being in continuous contact with him since I started helping him in 2011. I have only once asked for any type of compensation and that was when I missed days of work to go out the the lab. All of the forum postings and everything else that I have done have been profitless. That was A LOT of time donated.

One of the events in question that has this thread stirred up with talk about Martian Negros happened at the conference. Two weekends ago, I was sent out by EPD Laboratories to Idaho to attend the conference. This was to be a familiar friend there for Eric to have around and the other was to secure donations for EPD Labs. The conference was going great. Eric had just finished his presentation, and during his ending Q&A session, I stood up and announced to the attendee's that I was taking donations thru a Paypal application on my phone to help further Eric's laboratory. (I am not sure if I stated that it was specifically for EPD Laboratories, but anyone that has been following Eric should know that EPD Laboratories is the nonprofit organization that is legally pursuing the logistics of assembling a lab.) After I made the announcement, Aaron chimed in and said "Or you could just give cash to Eric." This didn't quite sit well with me because I had been informed by an anonymous person that Aaron didn't trust what was going on in EPD Labs. It seemed to me that it was a purposeful deflection (this being only my suspicion) of funds away from EPD Labs and into Eric's pocket. I am by no means stating that Eric doesn't deserve money for all of his hard work and efforts, but since I am running a Paypal account, DollardDonations@gmail.com, I knew that Eric had more money in his name than EPD Labs did in it's account. Seeing that EPD Labs has expenses that need to be taken into account such as rent, utilities, hired labor, equipment purchases, etc, it seemed to me like to appropriate place to funnel the money would be into the bank account of the nonprofit organization so that there would be operating capital to ensure that the stated goals of the organization could move forward as unhindered as possible. Let it be known that all purchases are agreed upon by the EPD Labs Board of Directors on which Eric has a seat. No money spending decisions are made without his knowledge and agreement.

I should have addressed the problem there in person but didn't. That was my fault and a bad decision. Instead I wrote and email to Aaron in which I had an annoyed tone. This email stated to keep his input out of organizations of which he didn't belong. Aaron came back at me with an extremely upset email accusing me of soliciting paid attendees at the conference for donations and that I was out of line for doing so. He asked me to respect the decisions of organizations that I didn't belong to. I thought that this was fair since nowhere was it explicitly stated that taking donations for EPD Labs would be permitted. I just thought it was implied because of one of our private message conversations where I was told by Aaron that we would be able to have our own table to take donations. My background is in electrical engineering, not business, so I naturally just didn't take into account the backlash that might occur from not having everything in writing. I learned a valuable lesson from all of this and that is make no assumptions. Have it written and signed as that is how the business world operates when arguments arise. Again, I take responsibility for my shortcomings in how I handled the situation between Aaron and myself, but I operate with pure intentions and those are to see Eric back in a fully functional laboratory.

Eric called me the following day after I sent the email and was irate. I tried to explain to him the situation of the lab and the need for EPD Labs to have operating capital. I believe that Eric felt betrayed that I would have rather seen the money go into EPD Labs than into his pocket. I understand where he is coming from but also have to look at the reality of keeping the lab in good operating order. Nothing gets done if the power gets shut off...

There are many more "Martian Negros" and "Nefarious Elements" selflessly donating time, effort, money, and labor into seeing Eric's lab come into fruition. I want to personally thank John Polakowski, David Wittikend, and Techzombie for all of the hard work, money, and countless hours of time that they have all spent in trying to make this all a reality. These men are truly heros, and Eric, if you think that we are not all in this to see the stated goals become a reality, I have no idea what to tell you because you will not find a better group of dedicated folks to help you accomplish this.

There are some other minor incidents that have Eric suspicious of the workings of EPD Labs, but let me assure you that they are nothing worth abandoning ship over. I believe Mr. Wittekind is going to share these misunderstandings with you all at some point in the near future.

I hope we can all come back together on this and move forward with as few distractions as possible. I am still in this to further the goals of EPD Labs but the division between us right now is only going to end in failure. We must do away with this division and begin to operate with some unity. We will win but only if we are all together.

Dave

David G Dawson
07-09-2013, 01:19 AM
It's really good coming from an oldtimer, to be working with young people who have set themselves up with a goal and continue to work unselfishly and with no personal gain involved other than to be ever so lucky to have known this man and to be able to use what he has to freely offer.
You can see why I made my request to Eric to re-locate to Australia as I knew the problems he and you are now facing were going to be on-going in the USA.

I will continue to work here as best I can with Eric's detail at the bench but it would really be most helpful to those remotely located and to everyone in general to hear from Eric himself about all of this.

Can that request be made to happen?

Thanks.

Smokey

logos
07-09-2013, 01:22 AM
this is some BS!!! seriously!!

i'm wondering WTF is going on!

all this crap about eric and his work. some people here really need to do some skype conferencing and sort this **** out before it gets TOO out of hand. :mad:

jpolakow
07-09-2013, 01:28 AM
I was hesitating to discuss this topic, as it puts me into a very polarizing position. I risk jeopardizing my good standing position with both Eric and Aaron. I have not had a disagreement with Aaron in the past, and he has been respectful towards me. Aaron was nice enough and actually gave me a ride to the conference from Spokane, which was very kind of him and I'm thankful for. Also he gave me a free pass to the conference in exchange for scanning some books for him. I feel like now that this topic has been brought up I should throw my two cents in. There's always multiple perspectives in any situation, and I will add mine.

I initially wasn't going to discuss this publicly, it seemed to be a private issue between Aaron and the group supporting Eric, EPD Labs. Specifically, between Aaron and Dave Webster. This transpired after a small difference of opinion regarding a fundraising comment at the end of Eric's talk at the conference. The disagreement continued in a series of email exchanges, and culminated in a post by Aaron a few days ago that I quoted below. In my eyes, the issue is a private matter and should have been dealt with in that manner. However because veiled threats and false accusations were made publicly in the following post, I feel compelled to respond.

Before I address the post, I should give a very brief summary of events so those unfamiliar with the issue can make up their own minds:
-Dave Webster and I accompany Eric to the recent conference
-Eric gives his excellent talk
-At the conclusion of the talk Dave Webster stands up and asks for donations for EPD Labs
-Aaron adds: or you can give cash directly to Eric
-Dave feels slighted, like Aaron was trying to steer donations away from EPD Labs
- Dave writes a short respectful email to Aaron expressing his disappointment at Aaron's comment, and expresses his opinion that Aaron's behavior was "unprofessional"
-Aaron responds with an email defending his actions, which has a somewhat angry and accusatory tone to it.
-Aaron makes the following post to the forum

I'm not one to publish someone's private emails, so if Dave Webster wants to post his email, that is up to him. Likewise if Aaron would like to post his response that is up to him. What I will do however is address the following factually incorrect post, which does make me a little angry, considering I've been selflessly helping Eric for the past year and a half to two years. (As well as Dave Webster)


After the conference quite a few people were so thrilled with what Eric was sharing that they gave generously to his cause. And over a few days, something transpired that now has him snapping like a rapid Coyote. And, this brings up the whole deal that we are all too familiar with in the life of Eric Dollard. The same old story where everyone trying to “help” him out is really appears to be helping themselves to Eric Dollard.

Now, I’ve heard these stories over the years and didn’t have any reason to believe or not believe it, but I do understand these kinds of things happen. Well, let me tell you… I’m pretty fricking speechless because I’m in the middle of it with not just being a witness, but suddenly I find myself being attacked by what appears to be some nefarious elements pretending to help Eric. Now the Coyote wants to run to the bushes and hide forever and this situation needs to be corrected and needs to be corrected now.

Personally, I’m not really known to be someone that rolls over like a dog and pees on itself when this kind of thing happens and because of what happened, I’m inclined to start snapping like a rapid dog myself.

As much as I want to go into the details on this dog and pony show that has recently latched itself onto Eric Dollard and his potential laboratory operation, I’ll let that be for now, but this is to act a serious warning to the perpetrators that the end of their BS is near. We can’t let Eric get screwed again.

First a little history- Eric lived with me off and on for a year and a half. During that time we talked a lot, had some good times together, and got lots of stuff done. We acquired some good glom, he was exceptionally patient and taught me LOTS, and I published some things for him on this forum. When Eric wasn't staying at my place, he would mail his writings to Dave Webster, who would painstakingly type out Eric's letters onto the forum. Throughout this whole time people would donate money to Eric for his work on the forum. Dave Webster would transfer money from the PayPal account to my bank account, and then I would withdraw the cash and give it directly to Eric. During that whole time neither Dave nor I took A SINGLE PENNY from the money donated to Eric. We worked to help him for free, and continue to do so.

How this can be misconstrued as "helping ourselves to Eric" is beyond me. Or how can a disagreement regarding a comment made at the conference suddenly transform us into "nefarious elements"? What exactly is this "dog and pony show" referred to?

I am working for Eric for free. I don't get a single penny nor do I want any. I do get one thing though- knowledge. Eric is absolutely brilliant as anyone who has met him can attest to. If there is any selfish element to this, it is that I am learning things from Eric.

So lets put things in perspective-
1. EPD Labs is a nonprofit organization who's members donate freely of their time, energy, and money. None of us are paid

2. The energetic forum is a business selling products that are produced by Eric (his coming book, his talk, etc.). Profit is gained from these sales, only a portion of which flow to Eric. The other portion goes to Aaron.

3. None of the money donated to EPD Labs goes into our pockets, while some of the money of the sales of Eric's products on the EF go to Aaron. I don't know the figure, nor is it relevant.

IF ANYBODY IS HELPING THEMSELVES TO ERIC IT IS AARON. HE IS PERSONALLY TAKING SOME OF THE MONEY MADE BY ERIC's GENIUS WHILE ALL THE MONEY TAKEN BY EPD LABS GOES TO BENEFITING ERIC

Neither I, nor David Webster, nor David Wittekind, nor TechZombie are paid. What have we accomplished though?
- We published a huge amount of excellent material on the forum, for free
- We have a huge desert laboratory for Eric that he can go to anytime he likes
- We acquired another car for Eric in case his dies
- We acquired a huge amount of glom for him, including an expensive AM Broadcasting Transmitter
-We basically brought Eric's name back to light

Out of this there are 3 people who have profited from this:
1. Eric- he now has people who regularly mail him money, so he is no longer destitute and can live comfortably. He has a Laboratory, awareness has been raised about his genius, and he has multiple options now that he didn't have before.
2. You, the reader, who can now read the genius of Eric Dollard on the EF, for free.
3. AARON- who profits not only from the products of Eric's he will sell, but from the additional traffic to his forum as a result of the papers Eric publishes. Eric is a goldmine for him.

There is no dog and pony show here. There is no BS story. EPD Labs always has been, and is, for the benefit of Eric. All of its members donate freely of their time and energy. Personally, I have basically dedicated my life to helping Eric.

It is my opinion Aaron is trying to polarize Eric against EPD Labs in order to be able to exclusively publish material from Eric, and to receive money generated from Eric. That is speculation, but it is my opinion.

As far as the post made by Aaron-
It is completely irresponsible of him to take an email disagreement, to the level of publicly slandering EPD Labs, highly exaggerating some ambigous "threat to Eric", and suggesting this is going to somehow screw Eric.

All over a stupid email disagreement that could have been quietly settled if people put their egos aside for a second.

I'm not a perfect person, and people are entitled to their mistakes. But I would NEVER take a private disagreement and then publish it on a forum, as well as making highly exaggerated, unfounded accusations. Not only is that irresponsible, but disrespectful. I don't like to point fingers at people, or make wild accusations, or get super defensive, but I feel an account of the facts had to take place to put things in the proper perspective. It's just not cool to try to intimidate people by making a private disagreement public, and further insinuate they are running a dog and pony show, are nefarious elements, and are going to screw someone over, when the opposite is true. There is not a single accusation there that stands up to scrutiny.

EPD Labs is a group of people with INTEGRITY, HONESTY, and SELFLESSNESS. We will continue to be advocates of Eric, regardless what is publicly said about us.

I apologize to all the readers out there that have to read all this BS disagreement, which distracts from an otherwise highly informative thread. Hopefully this issue can be put to rest at some point, and both parties can treat each other amicably. That is what I would like to see.

jimm
07-09-2013, 01:58 AM
I originally suggested taking this to Dr. Phil, which is still a good idea, but now I would like to add Judge Judy as well...
Why not make the whole tour, and talk shows too.

Why not put it ALL out there with your own reality show making a * REVENUE STREAM* for all! Lets call it something like "Real lives of scoundrels and Coyotes" . :D

I started reading here because I was curious about what EPD (the man) was doing these days.
What I discovered was a sad story of homelessness, revolving labs, waring factions and traveling circuses!

:beamup:

I have no idea what is going on here, but I am certainly disappointed!

Looks like I better stick to pupman and teslanet where adults are doing real science without all the schoolyard drama.

Raui
07-09-2013, 02:00 AM
-removed-

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Geometric_Algebra
07-09-2013, 02:37 AM
I'm just a garage hacker that enjoys putting equipment together, experimenting, studying electro/mechanical information, and sharing the simple techniques and approaches I have taken. I appreciate the theoretical and practical details that are being shared here (there's something for everyone); however, until I can get a handle on the magical Templar note situation I will no longer be contributing to this forum. I don't have an axe to grind with anyone here (yet). Peace to all.

Geometric_Algebra
07-09-2013, 03:14 AM
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Damn Aaron. Getting those United Nations Agenda 21 sustainable development $'s working for you huh? You know which way the wind blows don't you. You were aware that this type of operation is legal in just about every county in Nevada except Clark county, right?

What comes around goes around buddy, and I see swift kick in the balls coming your way.

Sputins
07-09-2013, 03:49 AM
Take a breath guys, breath! Anger never makes good decisions.

I think John Polakowski’s post laid out the issues very well. The dis-harmony between Aaron and David Webster should be sorted out between them, before this all gets too far out of hand, or perhaps it already has. I think Aaron was wrong to post what he did.

However I feel that this current situation can be repaired with apologies and some private communications. I pray that it can. Eric does not need all of this drama I’m sure.

I have not had any personal issues with Aaron thus far. He may have made some mistakes, or perhaps too money hungry, however he probably deserves some forgiveness or at least a pardon before it all goes pear shaped and all the bridges are burned. – Let us wait for his right of reply.

Having said that. - My loyalties lie with Eric Dollard as number 1. Closely followed, by the EPD Lab Crew* and the ‘quasi community’ developed through the Eric Dollard thread on this forum, as Raui put it.

As EPD Labs develops into something grand, there may bigger, more dangerous nefarious sharks to deal with. - They will all want to take a bite.

So let cool heads prevail! -

Sputins.

*David Webster, David Wittekind, John Polakowski & Techzombie.

garrettm4
07-09-2013, 04:08 AM
TechZ, Dave Webster & John P.,

Awesome responses!

Sometimes social pressure is needed to bring a problem to conclusion. While not the best for every situation, I feel that in this case it was needed. I hope today's rather unexpected turn of events does this in a productive way and Aaron and Eric will give a reply conceding to respect and acknowledge your good intentions. And hopefully from there things can get back on track without ego's getting in the way.

On a side note, I feel I was out of line in bringing up the issue at all, which was my acting on a whim with out consulting your opinions. For which, I would like to apologize to you guys, I really do hope that I haven't caused a greater issue than was prior.


Jimm,

Honestly, I understand your frustration. Truthfully, and regretfully as an instigator, this situation shouldn't have been a public issue, BUT the publicized and "veiled" slandering done by Aaron that occurred on this forum warranted a response, which I personally wasn't going to ignore, as it was directed at people I respect and feel shouldn't have been treated that way. Would you sit idly by and let your friends be publicly slandered?

Hopefully you can over look the issues at present and maybe join everyone here who's interested at another venue to discuss the real topic. I honestly like your comments, and think that you could be a great contributor with unveiling weather or not the telluric system proposed by Eric P Dollard is indeed factual.

I personally apologize for the rebel rousing I've caused.


Raui,

I think you've got an excellent point!

I suggest that anyone here, who really cares about experimenting and building, to join together to start a new forum or other venue to collectively work on the projects presented by Eric and Tesla as well as others.

Boycott the Energetic Forums!

Sometimes a fresh start is needed. Remember the more the merrier, so let's get everyone who's tired of the Energetic Forum and its various woes to join in.


UPDATE:

Come join the new forum over at garagehacker.com

Geometric_Algebra
07-09-2013, 04:12 AM
One cool head. Check
One clean sheet of paper. Check
A fresh pack of cigarettes. Check
Two gallons of gasoline. Check, Check.

Aaron
07-09-2013, 05:19 AM
I'm pleasantly surprised and shocked at the same time. The amateurs took the bait - I just didn't know it would be that damn quick! Normally, when you give idiots enough rope to hang themselves, it usually takes a while. :suprise:

First, if they had any common sense and knew what was best for Eric's organization, they would have enough discretion and discernment to keep it private behind closed doors. Their own egos and agendas have always superseded what was in the best interest of Eric Dollard and EPD Labs. Two times now, Webster got his ego bruised and has shown willingness to sabotage Eric's opportunities, funding opportunities, etc... - putting his ego above and beyond what is in the best interest of the organization he is a part of and above and beyond Eric's personal life. I have written proof of all of this.

@Garrett & Raui,

Raui - no comment for your mouth. You prove yourself to be an idiot.

Garrett - you will be apologizing to me later because of your premature slanderous and libelous accusations and insinuations about me. I have no big issue with you YET and think you have simply been deceived and misled by their BS.

@ Ray and John P.

You have just set yourselves up for a lawsuit for libel and slander and you don't have any idea of what else is to come. You do not speak for Eric and he does NOT want you to speak for him. As a matter of fact Ray, Eric wants you to immediately cease and desist any further activities that have anything to do with EPD Labs or Eric Dollard personally. AND, this has been the case for months BEFORE Eric ever came up here.

Ray - you do not have Eric's permission to sell the Lone Pine Writings and he wants you to stop immediately.

@ All, the Lone Pine Writings was put together by David Webster. Eric wanted David to sell the book and give the money to David to help him out. When Eric found out what happened to that book, the s*** hit the fan. Ray took control of the book and started to sell it and is giving the money to someone he hired to film Eric - ALL WITHOUT ERIC'S PERMISSION.

That is just one example of one of the COUNTLESS things that are done in Eric's name - that you all are under the illusion that are approved by Eric - and Eric has NO IDEA ANY OF IT IS GOING ON! When you find out all the rest of the story, you will all want to puke!

@ All, you have all been living under an illusion painted by these people who assumed representation of Eric P. Dollard. The fact of the matter is that for MANY months, Eric has NOT approved of how any of them have represented him and he is telling all of us up here that his organization has been taken control in such a fashion that is not in alignment with what Eric Dollard actually wants.

Every bit of their argument will be destroyed in a logical fashion that can be proven. It will be validated by what my actual involvement is, Eric Dollard himself, and two others and one of them have already agreed to come forward with their story.

Remember, anyone opening their mouths here prematurely have not heard my side of the story and have not heard Eric's side of the story. And you have not heard the story of the 2 MOST significant individuals (besides Eric) involved with Eric's work and those two people - NONE OF YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE - and neither of these 2 people are David Wittekind, Ray Savant (tech zombie), David Webster or John Polakowski. Think about that very relevant point everyone.

Eric is sick and tired of having his work turned into a fricking cartoon with all the back to future crap and other BS that is more suited for some junior high school kid's facebook page, but not a grown man's work who has put his heart and soul into everything he does since before any of these clowns were ever born.

It will be unfortunate for anyone who believes for one second that I have done anything to manipulate Eric or put him against Ray, etc... If anyone convinced anyone of anything while Eric was up here - it was Eric who convinced me that his organization has been commandeered and is acting on its own behalf WITHOUT the knowledge and consent of Eric Dollard. THIS IS AN INDISPUTABLE FACT, WHICH WILL BE PROVEN. I thought on some things Eric may have been overreacting or just paranoid but OOOH NO, he was literally speaking the truth. Very soon, you will all see the truth for yourselves.

They feel Eric is completely incapable of managing his own life, as someone said he is a grown man who doesn't need a "handler". He has his own personal life aside from his work that he wants to manage in his own way without interference of others who feel they know what is best for him. At the end of the conference, besides my own contribution to Eric and the donations I asked the attendees to give directly to Eric, he had over $xxxx in his hands when all was said and done. Immediately after, David Webster made him fork up half of it so they could pay rent on the building.

You all have personally shafted Eric by buying into the crap that he is incapable of doing anything with finances, etc... he is absolutely practical in this matter and knows full well there needs to be rent paid on the building and other related expenses. However, he was told all that was to be taken care of by their own fund raising means and they should never have been relying on ANY donations from the conference. Ray was supposed to work his magic and money would fall from the sky and all that would be taken care of. To pull what David Webster did at the conference is to screw with his personal life. Eric's presentation at the conference is NOT property of the non-profit and it is to generate funds for the dollarddonations paypal account, PERIOD.

Seeing that they needed that money from the conference to pay rent - well, you all can see exactly what a superb team of amateurs are running in circles chasing their own tails while having you all convinced that they're all heroes of the aetheric revolution! All that self-aggrandizing BS turns Eric's stomach by the way. Maxing out credit cards is considered "creative financing"??? - its complete buffoonery! If they had the slightest semblance of any business sense whatsoever, they would know that creative financing is to PREVENT anyone from jeopardizing their own finances and when they stoop to that kind of desperation, it is not to help but because they see dollar signs in their eyes.

I have stated to David Webster BEFORE the conference in no uncertain terms that ANY money generated from the conference was to be put directly into the paypal donation account and NOT the non-profit organization. That is what THEY are there for - to generate funds for that non-profit. They should stay out of any personal business that Eric has with myself or anyone else and they need to drop the illusion that they are entitled to everything Eric does!

They are supposed to be raising their own money for their non-profit business activities! The agreement with the conference was between Eric and I personally. It is none of Ray's business, David Wittekind's business, David Webster's business and not John P's business, period. And, anyone reading this, it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS either for that matter.

I'm more interested in Eric having a functioning car, healthy food to eat and possibly enough money to get his teeth fixed so he can chew into some real fricking food because my interest is in him as a person, while they're only interest is to build some phony revolution for themselves with ulterior motives of stabbing Eric in the back at some point. You will learn that this is actually their plan and Eric and others who have been very close to Eric over the years will verify this. These thugs want to pop off at the mouth and slander me with lies that they're all telling you all - well the truth is about to be rammed down their pathetic little throats in a way that will be irreversible.

I bring this up to make a point. They all wants to control, dominate and own anything that comes from Eric because they have their own agenda - Eric is sick of it! BURN THIS CLEARLY INTO ALL OF YOUR MINDS PEOPLE - THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE WAY BEFORE ERIC EVER CAME HERE TO MY HOME!!! Therefore, it is completely stupid and pathetic for Ray and John P to pop off at the mouth as they are claiming I'm "brainwashing" Eric. I'm saving up a special message for David Webster, who I actually thought was trustworthy and so did everyone else (everyone else that Eric actually does trust) and Ray and few others are not included in that list by the way.

One comment about Ray's misleading lies - online "guerrilla marketing" has nothing to do with screwing people as his dark and shady intentions will have you believe. Anyone that believes that stupidity is a gullible degenerate. Anyone with any kind of online marketing experience understands it only means LOW BUDGET and LOW TECH methods that are unconventional but give highly effective results, no less and no more.

One more thing to keep in mind - I orignally was planning on paying EPD Labs directly with the royalties and commissions for Eric's presentation at the conference. This was BEFORE he ever came up here to my home. Why in the world did that plan transform into me being very adamant about paying it directly to David Webster thru the donations account - BEFORE Eric ever came up here. Meditate on that one everybody. Perhaps there was major distrust within the organization that existed that had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WITH ERIC COMING UP TO MY HOME and David Webster knows this to be the truth.

Much of this is a litmus test to see if David Webster will be a snake or will he come clean with the absolute truth as to the sequence of the events. I actually stood up for David as being someone who is honest but misguided and has no sense of discernment to Eric and someone else of high relevance despite the fact that David Webster jumped the gun on me twice with smart ass condescending messages that were uncalled for.

Again, each of their lies will be completely and thoroughly exposed for what they are very soon.

Aaron
07-09-2013, 05:28 AM
The dis-harmony between Aaron and David Webster should be sorted out between them, before this all gets too far out of hand, or perhaps it already has. I think Aaron was wrong to post what he did.

The "behind closed doors" route was ignored by David Webster - he decided to bring people into it who had no business receiving official communication from EPD Labs. Ray and John P are not on the board of directors and when David emailed me, it sent it to them and Eric does NOT want any communication coming from EPD Labs because it is speaking for him as well and he does not want ANY of them speaking for him.

There have been various communications to some of them over the last several days and Eric's wishes were CLEARLY communicated to Webster and Wittekind about not wanting to work with Ray and in retaliation to Eric's wishes (which were his wishes for many months before Eric ever came up here) - Webster and Wittekind include Ray in these conversations. They are completely ignoring each and every desire of Eric's - they are walking all over him and some of the members here are obviously too stupid to see that they are going on one side of the story not even knowing what the WHOLE STORY IS.

My message was very specific to flush out the liars and to give them enough rope to hang themselves. With What they posted in their messages, that is all that is needed to bury them and their BS. The truth will be exposed and that is all I have to say.

Thank you for being reasonable and not jumping the gun because you obviously don't know both sides of the story yet either.

jpolakow
07-09-2013, 07:27 AM
I'm pleasantly surprised and shocked at the same time. The amateurs took the bait - I just didn't know it would be that damn quick! Normally, when you give idiots enough rope to hang themselves, it usually takes a while. :suprise:


Normally I would take more offense at the rampant accusations you make against us, but I have seen you behave this way on this forum in the past Aaron. You are quick to take offense about something and generally write an exaggerated, inflamed, emotional response. Others here have witnessed the same. It is clear by the number of responses by other posters here. I knew by posting my point of view here that I was opening myself up to that, however I felt the need to respond to the inaccurate statements you made in your post against EPD Labs. While I may have a differing opinion than you, I still write respectfully and will not call you an "idiot" because I am angry or frustrated. It is unfortunate that you feel you have to respond that way to me.


First, if they had any common sense and knew what was best for Eric's organization, they would have enough discretion and discernment to keep it private behind closed doors.


Yes i would agree, until you forced the situation by posting an accusatory, inaccurate, exaggerated warning in this thread. I would note that as soon as something was posted about you in this thread you immediately replied in an agressive manner. I would like to think at least mine and David Webster's posts were trying to clear up the facts of the issue instead of trying to be inflammatory. If someone accuses you of something publicly is it not fair to respond? I realize there is a difference of opinion here. If you are willing to talk in a reasonable manner, I think it would be beneficial to discuss our perspectives in a non-defensive way, and hopefully a resolution can be made. I don't think that is your intention though.


Their own egos and agendas have always superseded what was in the best interest of Eric Dollard and EPD Labs.


First of all, whose ego are we talking about here. And you know this how? What exactly is my agenda or ego? Even though you have insulted and disrespected me I'm not going to return in kind.I have been trying to put forth as balanced a picture as possible. I think both parties could have done things differently to avoid this situation. I think you are clearly misinformed too. How exactly has mine and David Webster's egos superseded what is in the best interests of Eric by publishing his work for free for the past year and a half. And how has David Wittekind's generous financial donations of nearly 100,000 dollars to Erics lab superseded what is in the best interests of Eric? Have you donated 100,000 dollars to Eric Aaron? Actually have you donated(not paid, there is a difference) any money at all to Eric? The answer to that is no. Not once have you donated to Eric's paypal account, NOT ONCE. IN THE WHOLE PAST TWO YEARS OF ERIC POSTING MATERIAL FOR FREE ON YOUR FORUM HAVE YOU DONATED A SINGLE PENNY TO ERIC's PAYPAL ACCOUNT. I think that statement pretty much tells the whole story of where your interest lies. If you claim you have donated to Eric, it is only in the last month or two you have known him.


@ Ray and John P.

You have just set yourselves up for a lawsuit for libel and slander and you don't have any idea of what else is to come.


Is that a threat or supposed to intimidate me? You're right I do not know what is else to come, as I am not you, and do not know what your intentions for the future are. I do know what my plans for the future are though- to make sure everyone is informed of the FACTS of the situation. How an email was responded to by an agressive response which was then followed by a public posting with inaccurate, ambigous statements. You may not like what my opinion is, or what my perspective is, but I will express it.


And you have not heard the story of the 2 MOST significant individuals (besides Eric) involved with Eric's work and those two people - NONE OF YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

If none of us know who they are, how exactly are they the most significant? It doesn't make any sense.

I am curious to who the MOST SIGNIFICANT individuals are. In fact I will flatly state that they have not been the most significant people in Eric's life for the past 2 years. How do I know that? Because Eric was living with me for a good portion of it! For the past 2 years Dave Webster and I have been publishing Eric's material on this forum. I am not aware of any others working in concert with Eric to advance his work.


Eric is sick and tired of having his work turned into a fricking cartoon with all the back to future crap and other BS that is more suited for some junior high school kid's facebook page, but not a grown man's work who has put his heart and soul into everything he does since before any of these clowns were ever born.

I'm not sure what you are getting at here, but I can quite confidently state that I am not a clown. I doubt you will find any photos of me online wearing clown related attire or costumes either.



I'm more interested in Eric having a functioning car, healthy food to eat and possibly enough money to get his teeth fixed so he can chew into some real fricking food because my interest is in him as a person

That's interesting because you haven't donated anything in the past two years to Eric, even though he spent countless hours writing material for free on your forum. Where were you a year ago when he needed repairs for his car, money for food, or a place to stay?


while they're only interest is to build some phony revolution for themselves with ulterior motives of stabbing Eric in the back at some point. You will learn that this is actually their plan and Eric and others who have been very close to Eric over the years will verify this. These thugs want to pop off at the mouth and slander me with lies that they're all telling you all - well the truth is about to be rammed down their pathetic little throats in a way that will be irreversible.


What on earth are you talking about Aaron? What revolution am I taking part in, and how am I stabbing Eric in the back? It's easy to make blanket accusatory statements like this, without backing it up. Could you please expound? What exactly are the ulterior motives you refer to, please I insist you state it once and for all so that it will be known (because I don't know). If past behavior is any indication, it is that I will continue to pour all my free time and energy into this, in an honest and helpful manner while receiving zero compensation. A review of my post history will reveal that I don't attack others on the forum, or react defensively. That is who I am online, and as a person. That being said I highly doubt you have any ability to ram something down my throat.


I bring this up to make a point. They all wants to control, dominate and own anything that comes from Eric because they have their own agenda - Eric is sick of it! BURN THIS CLEARLY INTO ALL OF YOUR MINDS PEOPLE - THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE WAY BEFORE ERIC EVER CAME HERE TO MY HOME!!! Therefore, it is completely stupid and pathetic for Ray and John P to pop off at the mouth as they are claiming I'm "brainwashing" Eric. I'm saving up a special message for David Webster, who I actually thought was trustworthy and so did everyone else (everyone else that Eric actually does trust) and Ray and few others are not included in that list by the way.

I wasn't popping off at the mouth. I simply stated and continue to state that your accusation of EPD Labs as some kind of nefarious element , with a dog and pony show, trying to stab Eric in the back, is flat out wrong. What can you say to back this up? A dog and pony show would indicate nothing of substance has been done. Let me re-iterate our accomplishments:
-2 years worth of scholarly posts on the EF from Eric, published by us for free for everyone to enjoy
-A large desert laboratory filled with glom
-Another car for Eric
-Over $35,000 raised to help improve the lab
Clearly these accomplishments speak for themselves and counter any accusation of a dog and pony show. I think you are just trying to insult me somehow. In fact I would counter- what gives you the credibility to attack me with these accusations considering you haven't been doing anything to help Eric for the past two years. Well??


Again, each of their lies will be completely and thoroughly exposed for what they are very soon.
I am anxiously awaiting the grand reveal.

I think it is clear here that you aren't in fact speaking for Eric, you don't share his wit or writing style and I refuse to believe anything you say, as it is usually laced with insults, inaccurate information, wild exaggerations, misleading accusations, and downright false statements. Until I hear from Eric I regard everything you write to me as nonsense.

Aaron
07-09-2013, 08:49 AM
I was absolutely speechless that my intentions were called nefarious.

David Webster,

The reference to nefarious elements was not a reference to you at all. This is a common theme with you - you assume too much without knowing the whole story or even caring enough to ASK. On the contrary, I defended you to a few people including Eric as being honest, but lacking discretion in how you email people prematurely without knowing what the facts are. Feel free to ask Eric and someone else you probably know who I'm referring to what I said about you. Anyway, you have done this twice to me. It shows you are simply prone to jumping the gun and act without thinking without any cause or concern for what the other person's side of the story is, which can put the whole operation in jeopardy because you have to think about it - you never know when you will anger the wrong person who many withdraw all funding, equipment, etc... the way you email without consulting ALL the members of the board including Eric shows that you are willing to jeopardize EVERYTHING because you misunderstood something without ever taking the time to find out what the other side of the story is. And, you email two people who are not even on the board of directors, which is professionally inappropriate and Eric does not approve of them being included in communications from any representatives from EPD Labs.

The second time you did this to me was not in a polite manner at all as you and Ray are trying to convince everyone of. You accused me of pulling a "stunt", accused me of deliberately sabotaging your efforts of raising funds for EPD Labs when you never had permission to do so to begin with, and in a very condescending manner, tell me to keep my suggestions to myself when I never suggested anything to you at all. You were completely OUT OF LINE by sending me that email for starters and you are out of line to speak for EPD Labs in that manner when you never consulted two other important board members - Eric being one of them to have their approval to send an official email representing the organization and Eric Dollard.

I don't need to talk to Eric about what your intentions are. It has been clear to me from day one when you asked me at the conference at the resort how to get in touch with Eric. I read you as being a very sincere person who wanted to do anything to help Eric out and the only thing I have witnessed thus far (besides the bs email you sent me both times) is that you are very selfless in helping Eric, but completely misguided as to the proper protocols and etiquette when dealing with organizations or other professional matters, etc...

Eric has also believed this up until the email you sent me, which reflects bad on the organization and Eric - because despite all the parrot talking fools around here that don't even know what the facts are and go off blabbering in their autopilot mode insulting me, everything that Ray and John P are accusing me of - Eric knows to be 100% concocted BS and if you believe I'm here "brainwashing" Eric, then you are either completely gullable and naive, or their NEFARIOUS MO is rubbing off on you. When you get a chance to talk to Eric, you can find out everything you want to all your heart's desire - THEN, come here and post the truth about when Eric and I have been doing while he has been here - if you have the guts to put it out there, which will show that Ray and John P and nothing but absolute liars and trouble makers. As I said in my other post, part of my response is a litmus test to see if you will indeed side with the truth once you know what the truth actually is - and you cannot know that unless you ask the other side.

You say, "the other was to secure donations for EPD Labs." Well, first of all, I gave you a guest pass so you could be there as a friend for Eric and THAT WAS IT! The ONLY agreement for Eric's participation in the conference, which was between him and I was our personal business to generate money for Eric personally and you know this is the truth. EPD Labs never asked me (and never even asked Eric!!!) for permission - there was absolutely no conversation to me or any other conference organizer about EPD Labs wanting to raise donations. As I told you in the email, if EPD Labs wanted a presence at the conference, you would have been given a free table in the vendor room.

I don't recall you saying donations were for EPD Labs or not. Someone was talking to me and I only heard the tail end of it where you said something about being setup to take credit cards. That reminded me that I was supposed to ask Peter to mention giving Eric donations when he introduced Eric so I said something like, "Or, if you happen to have cash, you can just give it directly to Eric."

Another thing that you know to be true David is that I made it explicitly clear that any money coming out of Eric's conference involvement was to go to the dollarddonations account, period. If I heard you mention EPD Labs, I would have kindly asked you afterward to fork over the money to Eric and Eric can decide how much of it he wants to give to EPD Labs. Not one single time did you approach me with the concern about EPD Labs needing money, etc...

You can't just walk into someone's conference and solicit the paid attendees for an organization, which was never discussed. The ONLY agreement with Eric's participation was to generate money for him and him only. He has a right to do his own business, which is separate from his involvement with EPD Labs and EPD Labs cannot take it upon themselves to decide for Eric what work belongs to them and what belongs to him. By even attempting to use the audience to raise money for EPD Labs is literally screwing with Eric's agreement that he and I have. Your intention at the conference was out of line, you never asked for permission, you never asked me or Eric about what our agreement was - you took it upon yourself or someone put it in your head that you need to come to the conference to get EPD Labs money - all that was made up by you guys without any conversation to Eric or I about any of it!

Again, if you wanted representation for EPD Labs, I would have gladly give you a free table to do what you want with it but don't get in the way of an agreement between Eric and I that is none of your business. Read that again - and so should Ray and everyone else... Eric has a right to do his own business outside of EPD Labs and that business is NOT ANYONE'S BUSINESS except for Eric's and anyone he is doing business with. The ONLY thing that was told to me about EPD Labs was that some t-shirts were supposed to show up, which I never saw and which Eric never wore for his presentation.

Since I told Eric that any money from the conference will go to the dollarddonations account and NOT EPD Labs - that was my promise to him because he ALREADY had the concern about Ray, etc... BEFORE he ever came to Spokane, then I will make damn sure that money from the conference will go there! I honor my word as myself and when I give someone my word, I will do everything possible to fulfill that word. I don't make promises - I just do what I say I will do come hell or high water. To the best of my ability, this is how I live my life - there can be no other way.

To address what you're saying - yes, most people probably are aware of EPD Labs (which Eric never wanted anyone to even know that name by the way) and it needs money, but that is irrelevant to this situation. EPD Labs was NEVER a part of Eric's participation at the conference and you all took it upon yourselves to determine that it was WITHOUT ever talking to me about it. I understand EPD Labs needs money too. I've been the president of a non-profit business development group, have many friends who are grant writers, etc... I know the business and all the headaches that go along with it. But you all need to create a sustainable business model to generate your own funds instead of having to always piggyback on other people's organizations, etc...

I don't mind helping EPD Labs (as of now under different circumstances of course), but it has to be done in an appropriate way. Not go to someone's conference, do something that was never discussed or given permission for, make it up in your own mind that I was trying to deliberately sabotage something and then get pissed off and write me a smart ass condescending letter titled "Stunt at conference"

Aaron
07-09-2013, 08:50 AM
And in that letter, you pontificate about the necessity to respect the chain of command of an organization that I do not belong to, etc..., which what you are *****ing at me about - you yourself have done at my organization, disrespecting any and all organizational hierarchy, bypassing it all and trying to solicit donations from the paid attendees. Do you know how incredibly hypocritical and stupid all that appears to as when I read that? And you, Ray, etc... think I'm out of line for jumping all over you for sending me that letter? Seriously David, if you can't see the light here buddy, you are seriously operating in a very dark fog.

" It seemed to me that it was a purposeful deflection (this being only my suspicion) of funds away from EPD Labs and into Eric's pocket." That is what you said in your post. SEEMED to you. I personally thought we were on pretty good rapport with each other. We've emailed and talked on the phone but not one single time at the end of the conference or afterward did you ever approach me with your concerns - and instead, you let it stir inside of you for a few days and then you send me a very condescending letter and hypocritical on top of it and look where it ended up.

Now a few people who have no official business with EPD Labs and who Eric wants absolutely nothing to do with are here calling me a liar and everything else under the sun because you were irresistibly compelled to "tell me how it is" - when you were blind to the whole thing.

"it seemed to me like to appropriate place to funnel the money would be into the bank account of the nonprofit organization" - that is what you said - again, it SEEMED to you. You keep taking it upon yourself to decide how things were with no conversation about it with anyone who needs to know. For the conference, there are 2 people of high significance when it comes to Eric's involvement with the conference and that Eric and I - that's it! 2 people that you have EASY access to communicate anything you want.

When I asked people to give cash directly to Eric, I was fulfilling my promise that money from the conference would not go to EPD Labs and that this was Eric's personal deal. If you need to get money from Eric, that is your business with him - I don't need to be involved in that.

And on top of this, I made it abundantly clear to you on several occassions that any money made for Eric that I am involved in is to go to Eric and not EPD Labs.

Why does that theme keep coming up? Because Eric's feelings about Ray, etc... existed PRIOR to him ever coming here so with Ray and John P popping off at the mouth how I am manipulating Eric is pure unadulterated garbage. Ray is the instigator here and John P has been promised something that is due to him in the future and this is why he is backing this - from what I can gather.

Claiming that I'm somehow trying to put Eric against them is nothing but pure low life trash coming from people who know damn well that the way Eric feels about them has absolutely NOTHING to do with me. My only involvement with Eric's pre-existing feelings about them is to agree with him, first Eric's and from other people's testimonials and now I can say without a shadow of a doubt based on EMPIRICLE evidence is that Eric has been 100% CORRECT and all his claims are 100% JUSTIFIED!

It is just sad that YOU don't see what is really going on. You think you know all the details but you actually don't and you haven't gotten the full story from EVERYONE who is significant in this matter but one of them will come forward soon.

Let's address this: you say - "After I made the announcement, Aaron chimed in and said "Or you could just give cash to Eric." This didn't quite sit well with me because I had been informed by an anonymous person that Aaron didn't trust what was going on in EPD Labs." Didn't sit with you well? First the anonymous person I know who that is. Second of all, I DIRECTLY told you personally that I didn't trust what was going on in EPD Labs. Why would you put this off on someone else who is deceived in their anonymity when I directly told you the same thing. Don't obscure the simple truth David - I told you personally and this is the entire reason you agreed to receive the funds from me directly through the donation account and NOT directly to EPD Labs. You act as if it was some mystery! I TOLD YOU DIRECTLY.

Once money is in the donations account, it can at least be spent at your discretion and not at the discretion of other people. You seem to suddenly have a bad memory. You even told me personally on the phone - "we do vote on what money gets spent on so there is a sort of checks and balances". Geee - why in the world would you be telling me that on the phone - just for fun or because the trust issue between Eric and Ray, Wittekind had ALREADY existed or are you going to continue the charade that suddenly I'm here trying to to put Eric against those guys when you know damn well that that distrust was ALREADY AN ISSUE that had absolutely nothing to do with me or my involvement with Eric? Ray and John P are LIARS and they are LYING to everyone here about who I am or what I'm doing.

" Let it be known that all purchases are agreed upon by the EPD Labs Board of Directors on which Eric has a seat. No money spending decisions are made without his knowledge and agreement." This is what you claim and this is supposed to be the obvious case. But LET IT BE KNOWN that these guys are operating on their own accord on other organizational matters WITHOUT the knowledge or consent of Eric Dollard. Obviously certain positions have certain tasks that each person is supposed to handle in a competent manner, but that is not what I'm talking about. I have already given a few examples.

"I should have addressed the problem there in person but didn't. That was my fault and a bad decision. Instead I wrote and email to Aaron in which I had an annoyed tone. " - CORRECT

" Aaron came back at me with an extremely upset email accusing me of soliciting paid attendees at the conference for donations and that I was out of line for doing so. He asked me to respect the decisions of organizations that I didn't belong to. I thought that this was fair since nowhere was it explicitly stated that taking donations for EPD Labs would be permitted. I just thought it was implied because of one of our private message conversations where I was told by Aaron that we would be able to have our own table to take donations." - To clarify, it was your condescending letter as I mentioned before that you were telling me to respect the decisions of EPD Labs, etc... and to respect the chain of command, leadership, etc... when in fact it was you who violated that entire string of logic at my conference. CORRECT?

So when I snapped at you for your letter and Ray pops off calling me a liar, etc... you can see he is completely out of line and is completely delusional about the entire affair that he can't see straight. He needs to back off and keep his mouth to himself in matters that don't concern him. All he did was feed the fire that you started. How he can think he can do that and actually be helpful is beyond words. It cannot be stated too many times, Eric wants Ray to immediately disengage in 100% of every activity dealing with EPD Labs and Eric's work and all the aetheric revolution crap has to stop too. That is not what Eric is about and he does not approve of any of it.

Eric has been put in a position where he feels that he has no recourse against anyone doing things in his name without his approval. I really think you need to take that to heart David and realize that what Eric wants is important and should be respected and if Eric doesn't want certain people to be involved in the organization and he is very adamant about it that as an organization, that is named after him after all, should be respectful of that. Doing anything contrary to that is an obvious sign that certain people have their own agenda and it is in direct opposition to what Eric wants.

Aaron
07-09-2013, 08:50 AM
Now David, this statement of yours is simply not true: " I just thought it was implied because of one of our private message conversations where I was told by Aaron that we would be able to have our own table to take donations." I'll remind you of the actual course of events. I brought the table thing up with you by email AFTER you sent me that email with insults and accusations. That was NOT before the conference and I can send you a copy of the email thread if you wish to see it. I told you that if you wanted to represent EPD Labs, all you had to do was express that to me, I would have been more than happy to give you a free table in the vendor room. This conversation about the table was AFTER the conference - not before, so it could not have been implied that it was ok to solicit donations to the audience...again, the talk of the table was in response to your email to me AFTER the conference.

"Again, I take responsibility for my shortcomings in how I handled the situation between Aaron and myself, but I operate with pure intentions and those are to see Eric back in a fully functional laboratory." I can appreciate this and this would be consistent with who I thought you were.

"Eric called me the following day after I sent the email and was irate. I tried to explain to him the situation of the lab and the need for EPD Labs to have operating capital. I believe that Eric felt betrayed that I would have rather seen the money go into EPD Labs than into his pocket. I understand where he is coming from but also have to look at the reality of keeping the lab in good operating order. Nothing gets done if the power gets shut off..." -

Here is the first time you'll see the sequence of events... remember me calling you after the conference when you guys were getting Eric settled in the hotel room? Is that consistent AT ALL with someone who you are accusing of sabotaging your efforts? From my perspective, I thought everything was fine - was a great success in every way, was able to help Eric out in a way that he wasn't accustomed to and suddenly a couple nights later, I get that email from you... all I could think was "are you fricking kidding me???? Really???"

So the next morning, I immediately sent a text to my friend where he was staying to ask Eric to not spend the money he got from donations until he sees the email from you - seemed money was allocated to something I did not know about and didn't ask because it isn't my business. Because from your email, it was the very first time it was made known to me that you might have had some other agreement with Eric about the money, which I did not know about and didn't want to get in the way of anything. I know Eric needed it to buy tires for his car, etc.. but he needed to talk to you because it seemed you hadn't even talked to Eric about the money. That surprised me. From my perspective, not only are you not discussing anything with me, you're also not discussing it with Eric. So when I finally talked to Eric later, he said he had a certain type of conversation with you and did not approve of you sending that email to me on behalf of EPD Labs, which represents Eric Dollard, who at the time happens to be a guest at my home and my friend's home. Are you crazy???

Do you even realize how many thousands of pounds of test equipment, parts, rare transformers, etc... worth MANY thousands of dollars that I have put into Eric's hands for free? Do you realize your unnecessary and out of line email has the potential to jeopardize a lot of potential funding, equipment, parts, support and more? All because you had a misunderstanding of my intentions, blew it out of proportion, etc... Are you cognizant of the fact you reaction to imaginary scenarios is a complete liability to Eric and his organization?

A fact to all - John P is not to be trusted. I thought he was a hell of a guy when I met him and without him even knowing the facts, here he is with all this bs and slander against me. For a fact, he will blab privy information to others without reservation. You cannot trust him to honor any private communication. Just a warning to everyone.

David Webster - you are in that same category with John P on that issue apparently. When you have a conversation with someone, you should respect other people's privacy about what is being said. The only difference here is that instead of you causing trouble by lying about me like John P and Ray Savant are doing here, you are being level headed about it, but you need to learn to use discretion. I share certain things with you because I am led to believe that I can trust you but now I see that I was mistaken. I think that you may be trustworthy, but does it actually need to be asked of you to keep a conversation private each and every time someone talks to you?

Anyway David, you have been taken for a ride and I think everyone will see this soon. You have been used and manipulated and you can deny it all you want. Eric's trust in you will vanish if you continue to assist those that Eric doesn't want to have anything to do with and if decisions are made that run contrary to his wishes, he will vanish in to the bushes and EPD Labs will fall flat on its face. When the truth comes out, nobody will ever trust Ray or Wittekind and nobody will ever want to give them 1 single penny in donations. When the truth comes out, which it is coming, blabbering idiots insulting me here will be eating crow.

jpolakow
07-09-2013, 09:48 AM
As long as you continue to accuse me of things and insult me Aaron, I will continue to reply to the same degree you attack me. Please be a little more specific in addressing specific events though, generalizations of calling me a liar aren't very specific.


because despite all the parrot talking fools around here that don't even know what the facts are and go off blabbering in their autopilot mode insulting me, everything that Ray and John P are accusing me of - Eric knows to be 100% concocted BS and if you believe I'm here "brainwashing" Eric, then you are either completely gullable and naive, or their NEFARIOUS MO is rubbing off on you. When you get a chance to talk to Eric, you can find out everything you want to all your heart's desire - THEN, come here and post the truth about when Eric and I have been doing while he has been here - if you have the guts to put it out there, which will show that Ray and John P and nothing but absolute liars and trouble makers. As I said in my other post, part of my response is a litmus test to see if you will indeed side with the truth once you know what the truth actually is - and you cannot know that unless you ask the other side.


To me at least, the minute you made that veiled threat post directed at EPD Labs, I knew there was a situation that needed to be addressed. Do you call all people that respond to your accusations and insults liars and troublemakers? Particularly when they are relaying facts? The portion of my post where I stated my opinion that you were polarizing Eric against EPD Labs I very clearly stated it was SPECULATION, and did not claim it as fact:

It is my opinion Aaron is trying to polarize Eric against EPD Labs in order to be able to exclusively publish material from Eric, and to receive money generated from Eric. That is speculation, but it is my opinion.

That would preclude you from being able to call me a liar. The rest of my post is nothing but facts. If you insist on continue to call me a liar you must state what it is I'm lying about, otherwise it just doesn't make any sense.

You continue to make ambiguous complaints against me, questioning my integrity. If you're going to call me a liar, tell me WTF I am lying about otherwise it just doesn't hold water! I'm an honest person and Eric wouldn't have stuck around me this long if I wasn't!

I started addressing your first post in a rather neutral tone, which is self evident, but as you insulted me more, I responded to your insults. If you stop insulting me, I will stop responding to them.

jpolakow
07-09-2013, 10:00 AM
Ray is the instigator here and John P has been promised something that is due to him in the future and this is why he is backing this - from what I can gather.

I have no idea what you are talking about here, but I would like to know!



Ray and John P are LIARS and they are LYING to everyone here about who I am or what I'm doing.

What am I lying about that you keep referencing? Is that what you do when you can't refute facts? Call someone a liar to mitigate their argument? Its a pretty serious charge to call someone a liar in my book. So if your going to continue to do it you better back it up with some facts.

Because everyone here is reading it and reading your responses. And I would rather not stay on a forum where the moderator publicly accuses someone on a forum of being a liar and then refuses to state what it is they are lying about. There are a lot of key people here who would rather take their knowledge somewhere else if you're going to continue to throw insults.

Aaron
07-09-2013, 10:59 AM
First, I see you are already editing your post. I have everyone's original posts recorded so don't try to pull anything.

David writes a short respectful email? David just admitted his annoyed tone. The SUBJECT of the email was "Stunt at conference" - how you miss the fact that it was a very condescending letter with insults and accusations complete escapes me. Are you really trying to play some objective observer here or are you skewing the facts? The facts are absolutely being skewed by you. Whether it is intentional or you actually have convinced yourself that it was a respectful or polite email is another issue. John, it was a very disrespectful email and Webster admits it. Get over it.

Like Webster, you jump the gun without knowing the facts. "helping yourselves to Eric" is not a reference to you or Webster. Do you not realize that the first people to defend themselves against something when nobody's name is actually stated is usually seen as the ones who are actually guilty of doing that? Personally, I don't believe you are like that and I don't believe Eric thinks that either. You have been brought up in one particular issue, which brings into question something about your intent, but it is possible, you were mentioned in something without you even knowing it. I mentioned there was something promised to you - I concede that it is possible that you are unaware of what someone's plans are for you.

You're not the nefarious element I'm referring to - again, to defend yourself makes you look guilty. At the request of various significant individuals who this all concerns, I am finding out who will react to that statement the fastest and the loudest and it has already been answered. :thumbsup: It isn't you or Webster so back down.

I have no doubts about your intentions John except for one situation in which you were mentioned but it is appearing that you yourself did not even know what was being discussed about you. And no, I will not tell you what that is - you will find out from the horses mouth, Coyote's mouth or whatever the case WILL be. But I can assure you, you will find out.

Point #2, first of all, it is none of your business and second of all, you don't even know what the arrangement is. A link that I created for Eric will earn him 70% of every sale of his presentation, which Eric wants everyone to use to promote his talk if they want to support him. After merchant service fees, etc... I'm not left with very much and I still have to do 100% of all customer service indefinitely and Eric gives no more effort for that presentation and continues to receive that 70% from that link. For the first time ever, Eric is being put in a position to start earning residual income from his work and everyone else wants to convince Eric that it all needs to be for free so that everyone is constantly begging for donations. That is a stupid model to operate from that is not sustainable and for the fact that the lab has no money and needed the conference donations to pay the rent proves my point. You all need to wake the hell up and respect the fact that Eric's time has value to it and he deserves to be compensated for it.

Furthermore, Energetic Forum is not a publisher of any of this material. Energetic Forum is simply an affiliate for the published works as it has business expenses like any other forum. And for your information, a very small percentage of the sales come from the forum because it is like preaching to the choir. Most sales come from newsletter subscribers who do not participate in in this or any other forum. What I have done is introduced many mainstream people to this kind of information who otherwise would have never heard about it. You, like many others who try to critique me think they know my business better than I do. So honestly, you do not know any of the facts and should keep your analysis to yourself.

You are misrepresenting something here out of ignorance - hopefully not out of stupidity or to be a troublemaker. You obviously have no business experience and obviously have no business being in business. You don't know the first thing about how a non-profit should be ran, nor should you have any input into a non-profit organization because your mentality about the whole thing is dysfunctional.

You obviously have no respect for Eric's work and do not think that someone should invest their time and money into producing something that will pay Eric over and over. You need a reality check John. Eric spent many hours for his presentation and his book. He deserves to be paid for that. To invest time and money from my side into the project to make it something that is sustainable for both of us, I need to be compensated for my time as well. Eric gives the content, I publish it and market it and it generates a sale. That means he is able to keep getting paid over and over for creating the work one time and I'm the one who has to keep working for a smaller amount. Anyone that thinks Eric doesn't deserve a fair deal like this is a scumbag - there is no other word for it.

You are completely delusional about how a non-profit should be run. It is because of that kind of delusion that the non-profit has no money and can hardly pay its bills. It is obvious that everyone involved shares the same delusion. Speaking like this about how EPD Labs operates to the whole world is showing the entire world that the organization is run by rank amateurs who haven't the slightest clue as to how to run a non-profit. You are scaring away serious people with serious money with your statements - you are NOT helping matters, you are making them worse for EPD Labs.

You need to have something sink into your mind John because you need to wake up. Wittekind and Ray have their own businesses or jobs that pay their bills. EPD Labs is NOT responsible for their livelihood so they do NOT rely on it for income. If it was, I can guarantee you that they would be taking money to pay their personal bills. Webster has his own job and I'm not sure what you do, but not being on the board of directors, you are taking it upon yourself to be a volunteer. That is your choice.

I walked away from my health food store 7 years ago in order to do what I do full time. To prevent myself from going on food stamps and begging for donations to pay my bills, I choose to be on online publisher and distributor of technologies that I'm excited about in order to earn my income. So your comparison between my publishing business and how the non-profit is operated is seen with tunnel vision without regard or concern for what the actual facts or situation is and you should keep your uninformed opinions about how a business or non-profit should be run to yourself - because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

It wasn't EPD Labs that brought Eric's name back to light. He did that by you and Webster posting his stuff in this forum over the last few years. EPD Labs is simply piggy backing like a parasite on the traffic that developed over that time because they're clueless as to how to generate a network of their own. If it wasn't for this vehicle here that I helped to provide, they would have almost nothing.

Aaron
07-09-2013, 10:59 AM
I have expenses that are paid out of pocket, which provided the vehicle, which generated donations for Eric of the last few years. I've contributed in many ways that you want people to believe doesn't exist. I promoted the Indegogo campaign and was responsible for about 30% of all money raised, which was passed off as "going viral" when even Webster agrees that it was from my promotions. I helped put a sizable amount of cash into Eric's hands at the end of the conference and a quarter of that was from me (no strings attached and that did NOT come out of presentation sales) and Webster took half of it away from Eric and Eric NEEDED it for cart parts, etc... I also put thousands of pounds of test equipment worth MANY THOUSANDS of dollars of rare transformers, capacitors, tubes, etc... into Eric's hands, which he WAS planning on bringing to the lab ALL FOR FREE...and I could have made many thousands of dollars in my own pocket had I sold all of that for my friend - had I been a money grubbing SOB that you and these other low lifes are accusing me of. All that stuff is sitting right in my friend's warehouse. Do you think I want to let all of that extremely valuable equipment get down to the lab to be managed by the likes of you and Ray, etc... who are sitting here lying about me, accusing me of things and misrepresenting who I am or what I do? HELL NO! You people don't have any idea what kind of problems your mouths cause!

You are obviously completely clueless to what I have brought to the table, what I am bringing to the table and what I want to bring to the table, but seeing that you all pop off at the mouth with your poverty-consciousness self-aggrandizing bs of what a bunch of heros you are, I'm inclined to bring all of that assistance to an end until Eric is in a comfortable situation where he won't get screwed anymore - and yes, he is getting screwed and I didn't say it was by you or Webster.

Out of the people profiting - #1 as you mention was made possible because of Energetic Forum. Why do you think Eric ever came to a conference called the "Bedini-Lindemann" conference!!???? You don't know as much as you think you do about what is going on.

#2 - that is true, but this constant "for free" mentality is why Eric has to live off of donations. Nobody respects him enough to make sure that he is compensated for his time in putting together all of that work. Everyone has been using Eric to his detriment and now I'm in a position to make sure he has something coming to him on a regular basis. What a concept!!??

#3 - As I said, Energetic Forum is preaching to the choir when most digital products are announced here. It makes just enough to pay its server costs and a few other expenses. Put it this way, I don't rely on any income from Energetic Forum. It was setup as a support forum for self help stuff and later the energy stuff came. That is all it was ever intended to be.

"It is completely irresponsible of him to take an email disagreement, to the level of publicly slandering EPD Labs, highly exaggerating some ambigous "threat to Eric", and suggesting this is going to somehow screw Eric."

If you recall, I answered David in private and Ray accused me of being a liar. My response here was to smokeout those who are being irresponsible with the organization and instead of 1 or 2, I get 3 responses. That is what Eric DOES NOT WANT coming from anyone in his organization and Ray has proven to be exactly what Eric doesn't want.

If anyone had any common sense, the appropriate response to my post in this forum that would have put Eric Dollard and his organization ahead of their own egotistical BS would have been, "We offer no public comment to the statement made by Mr. Murakami." IF THERE IS EVEN TO BE ANY COMMENT AT ALL! End of story. AND, it should have been approved by Eric and the other member of the board who is never mentioned and nobody should mention his name without his permission.

To do anything other than what I just described in the previous paragraph is PROOF that none of you have any business running any kind of organization. :wall:And what is funny, but not funny is that each person thought each statement was directed personally at them. Funny how each person had a reaction to the "nefarious elements" as if it was actually talking about them. Why be so defensive if you're innocent? :thinking:

Think about it - do you think anyone that is in the position to help with serious funding, equipment, etc... will want to actually help out seeing how EPD Labs is being managed? You will scare them all away.

Finally, I directly mention anything about the email disagreement - you all did. I gave my side of the story in the response to Webster's post.

My post about the Trials and Tribulations of having the Coyote in my Home was mostly supposed to be comical for anyone who isn't so uptight that it went over their heads. But the ending was dead serious. I find myself in the middle of it (being accused of being a liar and other accusations and slanders by Ray in response to my response to Webster's out of line email that he sent to me - Ray obviously jumped the gun and hasn't comprehended what the situation even is). But it goes deeper than that. What I learned from Eric and other parties of interest is downright disgusting.

And John, you are completely out of line giving ANY opinion of me without knowing the facts. I'm really looking forward to you talking to Eric personally about his experience up here and what he thinks about all of your responses to me. See, the only person that knows what dealings with Eric is - is Eric! Not you, not Webster, not Ray or Wittekind - because it is none of your damn business.

If you are to know, it is because Eric or myself will tell you what it is, but for now, watch your mouth because you are rapidly burning the bridge with Eric as we speak. If you have any common sense whatsoever, you will reverse your public opinion about me until you speak to Eric personally or you will also be publicly denounced and nobody will ever trust you again.

As I said, more will be revealed and many of you owe me an apology. At this point, I could care less, but at least everyone will know the truth and will know that these accusations by Ray are 100% fabricated and John P is playing right into his hands like a leaf blowing whichever way the wind blows.

Stay tuned...

Aaron
07-09-2013, 11:02 AM
Its a pretty serious charge to call someone a liar in my book. So if your going to continue to do it you better back it up with some facts.

You can't be that stupid John. Your first communication in response to anything I posted was to give your grand ol opinion that I am manipulating Eric and putting him against you guys. And you have the audacity to have a problem with me calling someone a liar? Why don't you back up your ill informed "opinion" with facts. You have a double standard and are being a hypocrite.

Aaron
07-09-2013, 11:06 AM
I have no idea what you are talking about here, but I would like to know!



What am I lying about that you keep referencing?

You will know soon enough if you really don't know what I'm talking about.

You are lying about me putting Eric against you guys. You say it is your opinion, but that is a gutless disclaimer. You insulted me with your slanderous accusation. You don't know what the hell actually transpired here while Eric was up here, do you? You have no fricking idea, but you have the audacity to tell everyone your opinion of what I supposedly have done to Eric??? You need to wake the hell up and realize what you are accusing me of.

Aaron
07-09-2013, 11:14 AM
Just to leave it for now John, when I drove you to the conference, I was really thinking - wow, you're really a nice guy, very respectful and positive. Last day of the conference, you were standing next to me as I was talking to someone and I wanted to spend some time chatting with you. Turned around and you were gone. I had nothing but a positive experience with you in the short time that there was and it is completely disappointing to see you easily swayed by Ray's reaction and you are refusing to see Webster's admittance that his letter was NOT respectful as you and Ray claim, but was very condescending - Webster says it had an annoyed tone and the title was Stunt at conference - yeah real polite and respectful John. And then to give your opinion that I'm manipulating Eric. Shameful and you don't even know what the hell actually happened. If you had any decency about you, you would reserve all judgment until you talk to Eric. So, you can take that for what it is. I speak the truth and you will see that it is you that has been manipulated to go against me. You don't need to comment on it, it is coming.

techzombie
07-09-2013, 01:44 PM
You can't be that stupid John. Your first communication in response to anything I posted was to give your grand ol opinion that I am manipulating Eric and putting him against you guys. And you have the audacity to have a problem with me calling someone a liar? Why don't you back up your ill informed "opinion" with facts. You have a double standard and are being a hypocrite.

This simply disgusting.

Non stop insults, ceaseless intimidation and a tone of utter contempt for everyone. We need to see this for what it is, a mental illness. We don't need to hate Aaron, simply to pity him for he is infected by some kind of supremacist virus.

Supremacism is exactly what this virus is. Aaron, you were not chosen by God. Enough of this insanity. You are speaking to human beings here and we will all stand up for ourselves and each other. You think you can just keep hammering out your lies and we will just give up and stop and you can declare another victory for your sick little world? Not gonna happen this time, not now, not ever.

We have all given up a good chunk of our lives for this mission and we are not going to roll over and let you piss all over it for a few shekels. You are like a screaming hysterical child running up to a building tsunami and whacking at it wildly with your little sword. Pathetic and doomed to complete and utter failure. This time mommy will NOT be there to pick up the pieces... or will she?

I'm from New York and I know how those who are infected by this supremacist virus act. This will all end with Aaron crying all over himself, rolling over and cursing all mankind for his own self destruction. Yes I would bet that urine shall also come into play when his whole fantasy world comes crumbling around him. Keep going Aaron I love watching mentally ill supremacists destroy themselves.

Allow me to translate for everyone exactly what is happening here. Sigmund Freud called this Transference. Transference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transference)

Basically the mentally transfer all their actions, paranoia and lies unto another person. They blame others for exactly what they themselves do to them. It is 100% twisted and has proven remarkable effective when coupled with extreme tenacity. Good natured people cannot believe that someone would tell such huge lies all the time because it is something they would never even think of doing, thus they begin to doubt themselves. Then the parasite goes for blood and at worst declares victory and at the very least saves face.

There will be no saving face here Aaron. You have already lost and lost everything. Please by all means continue to humiliate yourself and "dig your hole deeper" as you said to me. Aaron's emails show even more what a vile and insane creature he is.

Here is the email train everyone. Judge for yourselves if this creature can be redeemed.
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David Webster: (David's strongest words in bold, decide for yourself if these words deem the response from Aaron)
Hello Aaron,

I want to express my disappointment in the statement that you made after Eric's presentation where I made the announcement that I was taking donations for EPD Laboratories. EPD Labs is a nonprofit organization that has monthly operating expenses, equipment purchases yet to be made, payroll for hired labor, etc. That was very uncool of you to come behind me and tell the crowd that you could just give cash to Eric rather than donating to EPD Labs. While I understand that Eric is the star of the show, there is a great need for EPD Labs to have any influx of funds at this point in time. When the money dries up, it seems that it will fall in David's lap to continue to pay rent on the building. This is not fair considering the huge debt that he has accumulated already from acquiring the lab in the first place.

There was an original stated goal within EPD Labs which needs operating capitol to achieve. Reaching that goal will take the financial burden off of David Wittekind and allow this operation to really get the traction that it needs to move forward. Eric has his own idea of what is a priority, and it doesn't take into account the bank account of our prime benefactor, Mr. Wittekind. In all fairness to David, we need to consider the financial situation of the organization. With that being said, I hope you will respect the operating decisions being made by organizations that you do not belong to and keep your suggestions to yourself should the situation ever arise again.

Thanks,

Dave
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TechZombie: (my response to all)
David Webster brings up an important point.

I do not make executive decisions in regards to financial matters as I am not on the board of EPD Labs thus it not my business. I simply do what the board agrees. This conference was a public forum to bring light to EPD labs efforts, this is why Eric thought it was wise to accept your kind invitation. We should all respect motivations and leadership that has brought this organization so far. We are all prospering from that effort.

I have a great deal of respect for the chain of command here and the sacrifices and leadership of David Wittekind and David Webster and I hope that you will share this same respect Aaron. It is good for all of us to work in harmony and means more exposure for all and profit for yourself. Let's keep that in mind.

Are you with us Aaron ?

-TechZ
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Aaron: (insane hysterical response. I count over 22 100% lies)

If you want to know how he replied just imagine everything he has posted here but twice as nasty. Pure and utter thug lunacy.
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We are dealing with a deranged character here and we will tolerate whatever drama is necessary to rid us of this insanity. Garret stood up like a MAN and said what needed to be said. Now we are dealing with a hysterical child, a high chair tyrant that needs to be spanked and left in the dark. Aaron, if I was your layer I'd tell you to shut your mouth right now but we all know you will just continue to dig your hole deeper. You will probably threaten me with a lawsuit now for posting those emails.... oh wait you already threatened us with a lawsuit.

Just take everything Aaron accuses us of and reverse it onto himself. Or better yet don't even read his lies. It is like the scene from the Exorcist, where the older priest tells the younger one not to listen to the demon, for the demons only power is in it's lies.

We may pity Aaron but we will not tolerate your insults, lies and complete and utter lack of respect. Your petty greed and sabotage of our mission doesn't win you any points either. (hands Aaron a bigger shovel) Keep on diggin' kid. ( sits back with popcorn )

garrettm4
07-09-2013, 02:54 PM
Aaron Murkywater,

I honestly thought that you could set your ego down for 5 seconds. Well, WAS I WRONG! You have proven yourself to be exactly as how I imagined, a complete and utter wreck of a human being.

Garrett - you will be apologizing to me later because of your premature slanderous and libelous accusations and insinuations about me.

Funny that you say that, as I don't think "apologies" are in order if I was telling the truth. Which it seems I was. "The truth hurts", doesn't it? However, I'll leave it up to the poor souls who read these petty comments to decide who's the insidious, libelous individual.

Maybe you can grow a little from this Dr. Phil session, but probably not. As I've come to the conclusion that you are too dense to grow up and do what it takes to be a man and admit when your at fault.

Dave and Techzombie were able to admit to faults they caused... but not you Aaron. You seem to have some serious "Mental Gymnastics" going on that prevent you from ever seeing how you've done wrong or are acting out of control.

I have no big issue with you YET and think you have simply been deceived and misled by their BS

Well, I have a BIG issue with the way you've handled this situation. A simple apology could have been given, with you receiving one as well, then both sides could have dropped the issue and moved on. However, that would require you to act like an adult. But, it would appear you can't reason with a crazy man.

May you learn to act like an adult, and set your ego aside. And finally may you learn to have tact and respect others opinions, which your are in sore need of.

This will be my last response on this ridiculous "dog and pony show" of a sudo-science forum.

Respectfully,
Garrett M

P.S. Aaron, if you were wondering, the subject line of this message was directed at you. I felt I should point this out since your mental gymnastics may prevent you from realizing this rather obvious detail.

P.P.S. Oh and before you leave a snarky reply, to the tune of me being banned from the forum, I left of my own free will--not because you said I had to.


To everyone else,

I still stand by my words:

BOYCOTT THE ENERGETIC FORUM

Don't stand idly by and patronize Aaron and his petty antics!

Let's start FRESH! And find a new venue to continue REAL discussions! This could be an awesome and exciting event, so lets make it happen!

UPDATE:

Come join the new forum over at garagehacker.com

jimm
07-09-2013, 03:03 PM
WOW!
As an observer, I see two warring factions fighting over a man like he's an inanimate object!

Where is Eric D. in all of this controversy, perhaps playing both sides against the middle with his silence? Waiting for a sweeter deal? Laughing all the way to the bank?

Seems to me that it's about who is going to be the high priest and donation collector for the online cult business.

I was also kind of surprised that Eric would rather put the cash in his pocket than pay the lab expenses, after all of moaning and groaning he did about not having one! ( no good deed goes unpunished!) :eek:

If that's the case, sell the lab and the equipment to recoup as much as your money as you can and move on.

Nobody is innocent here.

Does anybody have a contract with Mr. Dollard?
Also, there are allusions to the "dream". Just what exactly is the dream?
Does anybody know, or is all of that a subjective thought held by each "player".
All of these loosey goosey arrangements boggle the mind!
just sayin'

:beamup:

Aaron
07-10-2013, 08:54 AM
Eric wanted this all revealed all out in the open so I supported him in that by laying out the facts.

I addressed each and every point that Webster or John P have posted in full detail. I have not responded to Ray because that will be for later.

Ray, who actually goes by Muhamad (that is what he said I should call him), has not admitted to anything (@Garrett). Webster was wrong in his email so I responded to Webster to let him know what I thought of his email. Muhamad then responds by accusing me of being a liar, etc... Anyone with common sense can see the sequence of events and will see that obviously Webster was out of line and Muhamad was even more out of line by retaliating with slanders accusations that I am lying, when he didn't even know what the facts are.

Everything I have posted is the absolute truth about all of these occurences and what Muhamad is doing is trying to fuel the flames with his contrived accusations and warrior battle cries. Ray is NOT welcome to have any involvement with Eric, period, and this is just the way it will have to be and if anyone cares what Eric wants, they should accept it - and it is NOT NEGOTIABLE.

@Garrett - go ahead and boycott this forum, I could care less. It is your loss, not mine. You popped off at the mouth with accusations about me without knowing the facts, so goodbye.

Here is another fact for everyone. Ray "Muhamad" Savant does NOT have permission to use ericdollard.com and he registered that website without ever asking permission ahead of time. He took it upon himself to do that and he even posted here when he did so and Eric doesn't not have any recourse that he can take that he knows of. It now forwards to aetherforce.com and he still does not approve of how Ray is using the website to portray Eric's work.

Later, Eric was met with DEMANDS by a nefarious element that surrounds him that he needs to immediately stop posting in Energetic Forum and Eric refused. What is happening here for anyone that actually cares to know is that Ray is part of a scheme to hijack Eric's work and to take exclusive control over it so they can use it to generate money to fuel their own agenda instead of supporting Eric in what he wants to do and this has been completely unacceptable to Eric. It should be no surprise that all of these facts have been left out of all of Muhamad "Tech Zombie's" online posts, videos, etc... they have been carefully crafted to portray Eric in a way that makes everyone believe that Eric is in full support of what Muhamad is doing! Nothing could be further from the truth.

Here is why Eric wants to continue to post in Energetic Forum - basically, it is not body's business and nobody needs to know a reason. It is his preference and anyone involved in trying to get him to stop what he wants to do needs to cut it out, leave him alone and let him do what he wants to do.

And keep in mind everyone that this was WAY BEFORE Eric ever came up here to meet with me and give his presentation at the conference. So you can see that Ray is nothing more than a low life liar doing his best to manipulate you all into believing I am the one who is putting Eric against Ray.

Another thing some people here obviously are swallowing up is Ray's lying and fraudulent nature to make you think he is some level and balanced person who is only here to help... Always remember that he and unfortunately John P. have open made false accusations about me "brainwashing" Eric to put him against Ray, etc... when these desires of Eric to NOT want anything to do with Ray existed WAY BEFORE I ever met Eric!

John is stating I did that as his opinion because he is easily swayed by Ray and the emotion in the moment. That is my opinion. I just think John P doesn't know any better. Muhamad is a different story.

Ray is lying about me because he sees this as an opportunity to make it look like I a the one causing trouble to get people to leave this forum so that he can capture the traffic - but there is one flaw there - Eric does NOT want to have anything to do with Ray, will not post his work on Ray's websites and will not have anything to do with Ray no matter what, period. So anyone that is buying into what Ray is claiming and is doing anything to add to the momentum of that is stabbing Eric in the back.

There is an ENTIRE HISTORY of events that are documented very well that validates that entire claim.

I will be sure to let Eric know that Garrett, Geometric Algebra, and Raui have obviously sided with Ray and their posts are working in concert with Ray's agenda. :clap: Eric will be thrilled to learn that about you guys.

Ray, you are a pathetic piece of work. Immediately after I emailed David Webster, you started to go on a rant about me being a liar, etc... calling me names and accusing me of things that were not true. You are a hypocrite and a liar. Don't preach to me about God. You changed your name to Muhamad and are dedicated to some personal holy war and Eric is nothing but a dispensable tool in your battle as is everyone else. And it IS a part of your plan to dispense of Eric at some point. There are more things documented than you can possibly imagine and this was all before I ever personally connected with Eric.

Again everyone, you can criticize me all you want. I don't care, but don't be willfully ignorant to the fact that 100% of every accusation they have made about me manipulating Eric to not trust Ray is 100% FALSE and Muhamad is playing any of you that believe that like a fool.

David Wittekind is the one member of the organization who has not contributed to the lies and slander. I will give him credit for that one. I received a message from him today and I told him I would call him. I will try to make that happen tomorrow and I will ask him if the organization approves of these communications by Muhamad. Muhamad already admitted by email that he does whatever the organization wants - so although he is not an official part of the organization, it is obvious that he has carte blanche to speak for the organization. Therefore, the entire organization is to be held responsible for defamation of character claiming that I am brainwashing Eric to go against Ray.

Aaron
07-10-2013, 09:41 AM
Ray is a forked-tongue lying snake.
Let's put a face to the name...

Here is Ray Savant
aka Tech Zombie or Muhamad

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/0bdOe5YPL6A/hqdefault.jpg

And some of the gullible members buying into Ray's crap have the audacity to say I'm the one with the ego???

The other pictures are too pornographic to post on this forum, but you can see them in the links.

He claims that his past life is in the past, but for everyone's information, Ray personally THREATENED Eric Dollard to his face during one of his visits. And Ray is concocting a story that I actually have something to do with trying to get Eric upset and Ray? Really???!!

You all have no idea what has been going on behind the scenes. Ray will lie to you and will make you think that his past is in the past and that somehow he is a changed man now, found God, changed his name to Muhamad....and AFTER this "change" he still threatened Eric to his face. So, what does that speak of his "change"???

He already trying to plant this in you mind with the offering of the pics with the gogo girls. Apparently, there are a few people who will eat up his garbage like candy but I'm just hoping there are MORE of you reading who will completely reserve any judgment until you see all the facts come out by all parties.

How do you all think Eric feels about this? Being threatened by a large intimidating person with a violent past with fighting experience. Any of you have the slightest feeling about what position that puts Eric in all of this? You can all side with Ray if you want and add to the slanderous lies against me - go ahead.

I will continue to stand my ground, state the truth and I will stand on Eric's side no matter what. And that is what I intend to do no matter how many of you will blow around like a leaf in the wind and side with Ray's lies and accusations.

What I learned while Eric was here was absolutely disgusting, enough to make someone puke. So put that in your pipe and smoke it while digesting the reason that I called out the snake. The #1 nefarious element surrounding Eric that has been fooling all of you from the beginning. I admit that I bought into his self aggrandizing self edification BS like some others and that he is there to simply help, but after spending a month with Eric, I've heard enough - and enough is enough.

If you want to have a look into the real Ray "Muhamad", check out these links and READ THEM very carefully WORD FOR WORD. Don't buy into his lies that it was only a past part of who he used to be - remember, he THREATENED Eric and that was AFTER the supposed "change". Who he is now is exactly who he used to be - he just changed his clothes - nothing more and nothing less. So, you all can side with Ray or you can side with Eric...there is no middle ground. For anyone that wants to say that they haven't heard from Eric's side of the story - well, YOU ALREADY HAVE! It was a martian reference anyone naive and gullible enough to believe that I had anything to do with that post doesn't have enough intelligence to follow Eric's work anyway and should just tune out.

If you search his name and the keyword MMA, you will see discussions from people that apparently know Ray that he is all screwed up from steroid use and that would explain his RAGE against Eric in one incident and the lies that you are seeing right now.

motorcyclesFTW shake (http://mlkshk.com/motorcyclesFTW/after/C0PE)
Start with this link - you can click on the links on that page to bring up the other pictures and look at other people's comments and what other people have titled the posts - there are GRAPHIC descriptions that are XXX so if you don't want to read any of that, don't click the link.

Here is Ray Savant's own personal description of his motorcycle, in his own words, trying to be anonymous. "Muhamad" is pornographic in his explanation about his motorcycle so keep that in mind before you read it.
Motorcycle Info Pages - Featured R1200GS's > Crazy Pink R1200GSA (http://www.motorcycleinfo.co.uk/index.cfm?fa=contentGeneric.pzbpzozgmajbxjom&pageId=295086)

And then of course is the epitome of how Ray Savant sees himself is in the pictures of what is on his windshield.

Again, don't buy the BS that he is a changed man and this is his past. You all know that Eric will speak his mind and if he doesn't like something, he will say it. Instead of Ray showing any compassion for Eric when Eric spoke his mind about an issue that he didn't appreciate, Muhamad threatened him!!! :suprise:

You all have been duped by "Tech Zombie". He is LYING about me manipulating Eric and anyone that popped off at the mouth against me in support of Ray's BS should be ashamed of themselves. There is a reason for every single post that I have made and each post was made to illicit a certain response from a certain individual and it has been a success beyond what was imagined.

And to finish off this post, remember, BEFORE I ever posted anything in detail, Eric posted the "Martian" post on his own without me being present so Eric has ALREADY told you his feelings. Ray instantly started to defend himself in a way that was disguised as a post that was to scold me for manipulating Eric.

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES THIS???

more, WAY MORE to come...

Aaron
07-10-2013, 09:52 AM
WOW!
As an observer, I see two warring factions fighting over a man like he's an inanimate object!

Jimm,

I think you need to choose your words more wisely.

I am NOT fighting over Eric. He has been a guest in my home and a guest in my friend's home for a month and what I am doing is STICKING UP FOR THE HIM! Eric knows that he finally has someone that is on his side. There are a few others who stay anonymous, but I'm public with it and understand why the others need to stay anonymous.

You can manipulate the context in which this is happening all you want, but you cannot make one simple rational argument based on the facts of what I have posted that I am fighting "over him" when the facts that speak for themselves is that I HAVE HIS BACK!!!

Aaron
07-10-2013, 09:56 AM
I was also kind of surprised that Eric would rather put the cash in his pocket than pay the lab expenses, after all of moaning and groaning he did about not having one! ( no good deed goes unpunished!) :eek:



You must be completely blind. How many times does it need to be said that Eric has his own private life, which is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. He has issues with his car that needs to be fixed and that costs money, etc... again, you are speaking out of ignorance of what the facts are or what Eric's situation is. You are essentially saying out of ignorance that Eric shouldn't have any money of his own! :suprise: You should be completely and totally ashamed of yourself for what you have insinuated with your post!!!

endthegreed
07-10-2013, 12:14 PM
after being banned 3 times by aaron I swore I'd never post here every again but... after someone sent me this thread I must


Aaron is alot worse than you guys know. He screwed me big time on two deals and then went out of his way to destroy my reputation. Each one of the people I was working with got an email from him about me with a torrent of lies. Even a few of my friends on Facebook got msg's from him.

This is the part that really gets me...

HE EVEN MESSAGED MY GIRLFRIEND ON FACEBOOK badmouthing me. We were breaking up at the time but she was still mortified by the creep.

Aaron is just slime. He never tells the truth and will turn on anyone he can whenever possible. I lost alot of time, money and moral dealing with this guy but I bounced back and went alot further than I ever could of being around him and this place.

a Boycott is a good idea. Hereticalforum was started just to get away from him. Not sure if it is just greed or he is an mib.

He'll prob delete this and ban me again. go ahead Aaron, you loser.

jimm
07-10-2013, 01:44 PM
You must be completely blind. How many times does it need to be said that Eric has his own private life, which is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. He has issues with his car that needs to be fixed and that costs money, etc... again, you are speaking out of ignorance of what the facts are or what Eric's situation is. You are essentially saying out of ignorance that Eric shouldn't have any money of his own! :suprise: You should be completely and totally ashamed of yourself for what you have insinuated with your post!!!

Aaron,

I don't know any of you, that's correct, and your private lives are none of my business. However you all chose to do a public brawl, so now we get the picture of what a mess all of this has become.

Eric was living in his car or couch surfing until those guys came along and offered to help him in a big way by acquiring a lab for him.

I didn't say that Eric didn't deserve any money of his own, those are your words. All i am saying is that when the chips are down and the finances are getting tight, he should also sacrifice as many there apparently have done way beyond what most people would do on his behalf.
It seemed as if he didn't appreciate the lab he was given.

If he is indeed being intimidated, then he should leave. the lab and equipment sold,money returned, and everyone goes back to where they were in life.

Again, not a peep from Eric, but you continue to write one diatribe after another, claiming to Be Eric's champion.
Maybe you are, maybe you're not, I don't know you. I do know that you guys definitely have issues with each other.

Eric has not come out for either side, ironically, which makes me wonder if he isn't the "puppet master" pitting one side against the other for reasons lnown only to him, which he did according to you.

No one has said that they have a contract with Mr. Dollard to do ANYTHING,
so he is free to go back to the bush and all of you can just lick your wounds and move on.

Mr. Dollard, then, has full legal recourse at his disposal to have anything that he does not want done in his name taken down.
I'm just going to watch how this all shakes out.

Aaron, you seem to be the businessman of the group, but I guess not even you could get Eric to sign on the dotted line, eh?

Eric Dollard seems to be an interesting mercurial character, the more I glean about him from the net. Of coarse, people can be made to look like something they are not (good or bad)with enough PR.

What I really like about the guy is that he marches to a different drummer!
Go Eric! wherever you are... :notworthy:

teslasmyhero
07-10-2013, 04:09 PM
Hey techzombie dude,

Is this you 3:57 secs in Brian Ramages' short vid Severed?


SEVERED (2009) - HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVWHGiSJRE)

teslasmyhero:rofl:

Geometric_Algebra
07-10-2013, 04:34 PM
Aaron,

I apologize for the brothel reference, but you should consider researching the deceptive language and terminology of sustainable development. In my opinion, sustainability propaganda is saturating all mediums at the moment which would make it easy to be caught in the web (not unlike the little info web I'm obviously caught in here).

This situation is starting to look scary and I'm having a difficult time countering it with smart-ass comments and creative play.

All the best to Eric.

dward
07-10-2013, 06:59 PM
I am very new to this forum but over that past few months I have learned a lot from people on this thread, not much of it was technical mind you. I have learned that the greatest enemies to this type of technology are the very people who supposedly champion it.

I have learned that if one has any pearls of wisdom, science, technology, etc. Don't give it to the pigs in the alt sci/tech community. Sheesh, you guys are insane; filled with conspiracies of oppression of your device/discovery/belief, while you yourself are oppressing others in your own community.

The reason Alt Science never escapes it's cult like origin's are because of the people who supposedly champion it. The Correa's of Aetherometry fame are absolutely correct in their assertion that neither the alternative science and technology community NOR officialdom is correct. Both are a trap. You guys have proven that beyond a doubt.

Eric offers some very real technical achievements, and the opportunity to engineer with them. It is just unfortunate no matter what part of science and technology you look at, it's all the same. Politics, lawyers(i bet this will end in a lawsuit), money, money, money, greed, ego, Me first-no ME first attitudes.

Most of what i've found here, and especially in the alternative technology community is hearsay, superstition, and religious dogma. When someone actually HAS found a better way to use technology you all exploit them for your own benefit. None of you here is any better than the JP morgans of the world. You just don't have to money, power, and influence to destroy people yet.

There are people here genuinely interested in new and better science and technology. I have learned much from Eric Dollard, his work, and experiential views on the world. It's unfortunate that in this day and age, greed is the order of the day, ego and selfishness the status quo.

This whole fiasco and others like it, on this forum and others confirms for me that you people have absolutely nothing to offer to the world of technology and science.

There are genuine geniuses in this world... they get the work, they shape the world. EPD, from what i've read has had many opportunities in the "real" world to engineer and optimize the systems he's been brought on board to work with.

This forum and others like it, in contrast, are filled with nerds and geeks with serious chips on their shoulders that THEY didn't discover what he and others like him have discovered. People on these and similar forums continually talk about NWO nonsense, and pseudo christian fundamentalism mixed with new age eastern mysticism. As long as you arein to that stuff you'll never have the brain power to actually look and and perceive the world yourself, and thus perhaps discover something new.

Those of you on both sides of this argument show your true colors. Notice, Trex(EPD) has yet to publish a response to this(good for him to stay out of this crap.), hopefully he will find a willing utility, or heck maybe even the O.N.R or similar organization to fund him.

This has got to end. No wonder alternative science and technology are seen as an absolute joke by those who are actually employed as scientists and engineers.

Here's to stepping away from the cult(and trap) of alternative sci/tech... and discovering for ourselves, through hard work, observation, experimentation, and revision, what is and isn't reality in this world.

7redorbs
07-11-2013, 12:50 AM
Dear Friends,

Eric Dollard Campaign PART 1


I believe many people here may have wasted their time fighting when they could have been working together achieving the goal of a sound base to work on.

Many may know that I was a "key person" of the team for the eric dollard indiegogo fundraiser, I certainly do, as Techzombie says so on the ericdollard.com website, which is now called Aetherforce.com.



Adam Bull: Adam wrote a Book featuring the work of Eric and has been a key person on the web team, referring many people and much money to the fundraiser.



http://www.aetherforce.com/eric-dollard-is-going-viral-bankers-not-pleased/‎

I am thanked here second to David Whit and David Web. Thanks for the thanks. Somewhat less thanks for what I am about to set out.

I referred to Eric's campaign about 100,000 people or so in my networks, possibly quite a many more. I had hundreds of friends help. I did this gladly! The reason why I was thanked is because I had a large part in turning the $36,000 Eric got in the first place. I managed to convince my family and partner to donate Eric $1000. For one, which made a large difference to the campaign.

I had compiled a small network over the years. Having had an interest in scientific, electrical theory and natural philosophy from a young age, and having experienced the academic and non academic realms of thought somewhat intensively (that is intensively infuriating), when I found Eric, it very much saved me from the torment of academic as well as the dire alternative scientific life. Finally I thought - a clear road. Explanation and reference with historic context. And from an EX R.C.A employee. I thought to myself. I am not going to miss this and I am going to document it so that nobody else has to go thru the long process of discovery.

I thought to myself, about 4 years ago upon discovering Eric This guy is a darn genius and I cannot believe that nobody is listening to him and his excellent theories and treatises on electric and radio theory. His knowledge of electrical history has allowed me to "win" many audacious conversations with significantly educated men. The magneto dielectric is indeed forgotten. Indeed Dollard, was very different to the alternative science fraudsters. I just couldn't understand why nobody else had picked him up. Why was it only a small organization in the nevada desert Borderland Sciences Foundation that had recognised him? Unbelievable! This was what I thought 4 years ago, and it has been a very uphill struggle to refine myself to the level Eric works. Why had this man become so alienated from people? I do not have many friends, most of all since taking up eric's work, because I was interested in pursuing truth, and I recognised that maybe Eric was the same - truth doesn't make friends - unless friends are looking for it. The same stubborn streak, the irrepresible "its not an electron", "where is the electron", "show it to me" streak. The same streak that keeps those vacuum tubes of David and Eric's humming. That streak, was in them, and I had it too. The explanation is never good enough streak. The "you are ignoring the exceptions". The Faradays law only holds whilst Kircchoff and ohm breaks down. The holy grail of all scientific research is what Eric represents. The parametric transformer, one of many avenues of research Eric has involved himself, many times describing things beforehand that are capable of "impossible" things, that is to say unequal energy generation and a non conservative field.

Eric Dollard was the man that gave me the confidence I needed to think for myself, and read more about Tesla. I did. It led me to the Tesla non electromagnetic transmission system, the electric mechanical oscillator, and the faster than light waves or rays described in Tesla's work. I actually thought I cannot believe that I was not taught this stuff at school. I wanted to write about my experience, so that others, and there are many less fortunate others than myself - who are not aware electrons could be non existing things.

Eric - he led me to Tesla's groundbreaking understandings on radioactivity, matter, anti-matter, and the faster than light massless aetheric corpuscles of some kind that which they are formed. Eric's work helped me form a general book on Tesla's alternative artistic and natural philosophy of tesla's magnifying transmitter. The plan was to donate the money to Eric. Being a musician of some 20 years standing I was in a unique position to understand some of eric's and tesla's work on the accelerating t.m.t capacitor discharge and the virtue of mutual inductance as described in dollard's books published by the BSF. It is no different than being able to strike a note on a piano, and then increase the density of notes per second or PPQ (parts per quarter) in the bar. This increases amplitude. Condenses energy in the dimension of time. Simple mechanical stuff. I find it easy, many do not. Many of you may recall Eric Dollard "man of the desert" and eric dollard "Nikola Tesla & Edward Leedskalnin & Eric Dollard. An Interpretation of Vortex Science" video that I did about Eric and were included on ericdollard.com. I am an artist as well as a musician and scientist, composer and writer. Also many may remember Tesla, Poverty and Tyranny another musical composition that I did for these gentleman, that was also used on the ericdollard.com website. As you can see I have dedicated much of my time and effort to helping you all.

eric dollard man of the desert
Dollard - Man of the Desert - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p5EAxIqyAE)

eric dollard interpretation of vortex science
Nikola Tesla & Edward Leedskalnin & Eric Dollard. An Interpretation of Vortex Science - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vae8lCC_T2c)

Tesla, Poverty, Tyranny
Tesla, Poverty & Tyranny. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMWcS7pWxpk)

As It can be seen I have done quite a bit for Eric in getting his word out there. And my work has been used throughout the campaign.

7redorbs
07-11-2013, 12:51 AM
Eric Dollard Campaign PART 2

I have been in contact with David Dawson, and many others here in regard to my projects and work and have posted freely my ideas here about alternating current and magnetic current, and how I conclude that the motion is at the base of electricity, as is the motion of the planets at the base of the universe, and life, and all things. I have only ever built 1 transformer. When I started working with electricity and build my first transformer about 2 years ago I knew almost nothing about electricity, just like Edward Leedskalnin, but I read Dollards and Leedskalnins work and I thought they are right, if they can do it, so can I.

I have been engaged in discussing electrical transmission line theory as described by Edward Leedskalnin in Magnetic Current and Nikola Tesla in Alternate Currents of High Frequency and in a myriad of newspaper articles that I have collected and included in the book that describe impossible transverse radio signalling between two mountain tops. All of this, all thanks to Eric. I hope he knows.

I have compiled and distributed Eric's written work as best I can for a total of 4 years. On conspiracy.co and thru a publisher solomon-books.com which was setup with the express intent of sending Eric Dollard money. I hope he knows.

Eric is a great man, and I have him to thank for what he has done for me. I am a better person by leaps and bounds.

I have been researching Eric's work particularly concerning R.C.A for a very long time now and I sacrificed a career working in defense and as a penetration tester to do this (I can provide credentials if you do not believe me) and I have tried desperately for years to try and popularize his and tesla's work and that of others like Leedskalnin, Wheatstone, Walter Lewin at MIT et al. Babaev, non conservative fields, and the faraday equation holding over the Kirchhoff and Ohmic expectations. As well as: The non electromagnetic wave, the faster than light rays of tesla determined to be coming from Antares, that the 20,000,000 or so watts produced in the Niagara falls is created by external things, and not by the river or the turbine. That is to say something is motivating the river, the missing piece of information is the same missing piece of information that exists in the "Free energy" community debates that have occurred here. Even the creation of the universe. Particularly I have been keenly interested in documenting the historic cases with Bolinas and KPH, Yankee Radio as well as the Alexanderson Patent modifications, Eric's writing on Commonweal, Point Reyes and the real nefarious agencies that work against him. I believe that it is not agencies or nefarious organisations that is mans enemy but it is the flaws of people, and for us all that is tissue deep. They and we, just cannot help it, they want to, but they cannot, they are armored. Too - stubborn. "Why must he do this?", "why must he make trouble". "Why can't he just sit down and take it easy?" This "I hate it , I loathe it", "I kill it". That is what man is against, and it comes not from without, but from within. This is a hard lesson many do not go thru life fully learning.

I am not a nefarious agency. I am a supporter of Eric's work.

I have spoke here at some lengths about the electron being a non existent thing, and that you can only create the electrons with a north and south pole bar magnet. I have largely been ignored, by many of the people here that are accusing many others of "inflated ego's".

Might I suggest a concerted and deep breath before this period of activity here is allowed to continue any further. For the good of men. Might the respect and dignity of men be re-obtained, and underwhelming sanity return to the chairs around the table.

You should know, I myself donated $100 to the Eric Dollard campaign, and encouraged my partner to donate $1000, hoping very much to get at least the personal letter from Eric. Having already helped the campaign to the great extent that I was thanked, and having sent (without charge) Eric my book accompanied with a single handwritten letter early this year, I thought I would receive at least a letter of thanks for them, especially given everything that has been done by myself as previously set out, oh and there was the fact that I had paid for it. No it just seems that others want to take credit, and for some reason that ERic thinks that I am a witch. I would suggest this to be incorrect. I run 2 indiegogo campaigns myself and I thought that fundraisers were obliged to fulfill their perks. No matter.

7redorbs
07-11-2013, 12:52 AM
Eric Dollard Campaign Part 3

I do not why things must get personal - Truly. I encourage anyone who wishes to express their feelings about me to do so. I do not have anything to hide. In the past here, and in society in general - people never seem to have any difficulty expressing their feelings, though more frequently than not they have a great deal of hardship in conveying their own capacities of intelligence. An unused capacity is not something we should be necessarily angry with but one that should bring sadness to us all as a group. The earth is like a gigantic boat, and Eric is in the brig.

This is something to be considered, when grown men begin to act like apes, forget favors, and take personal discourse, it can very easily lose sight of the objective goals. Since a campaigner expressed to me by techzombie "This is not fatal attraction". Might I suggest that anyone who thinks this behavior such as that which has been directed at me and others is respectable, they are wrong. And they are wrong every time.

In that same spirit I would like to state "This is not space oddysey 2001." Don't let the thing get out of control. This is a very serious matter, and ultimately the people here supporting the campaign, as well as the campaign runners are determining the life and course of Eric Dollard and an ancient technology, That is to say I recommend against unnecessary risks that might prevent the Eric Dollard campaign from continuing. A technology that very few understand properly, including myself.

That is to say we are talking about the "inertial neutrailzer" that I am more than quite possibly "banned" from discussing.

As Eric says that takes about "20 years or so". Maybe I am not allowed, or just not welcome!

I think that I have never hidden, among the thousands of people I have come to know as a writer, to my supporters to Eric's , I can say that I am honest in my activities and straightforward in my opinions. Specifically in such a way when asked about my work I would always direct people to Eric, and not my wallet, that Eric was the man to goto about this stuff. Ultimately that means I do work like what I do for Eric. In the case that a misconception has arised I am giving opportunity, and the dignified respect of informing you of these things. Which is why I helped Eric raise the monies from the begin, well, my Congratulations Eric. I am sorry that I never got your letter but I am sure that you are busy with more important things now you got something at least.

I am sorry that my $1100 contributions were unwelcome. I am still waiting for the reason why they were not welcome. If you would like to discuss that is up to you. I have after all already been threatened by your friendly fundraisers when asking about the letter I should have got off you. My partner was understandably furious she was refunded the $1000 , the money me and family had put by was a lot to us. I would have given more if I could have. I still would now.

I am sorry that when I asked about the letter on your indiegogo campaign fundraiser, it was suggested by the fundraiser organizer that I had posted "12 harassing comments" there. Indeed, if by "harassing comments" it was meant my consistent re-putting of my question on the website, after it vanishing no less than 11 times, then, yes that is the "harassment" and "psychotic messages" that I am indeed guilty of.

You suggested in contrast that my "insane comments" "were deleted.", and that you could see why Eric Dollard referred to me as "a psycho", you mentioned that you had no intention of "ruining" my reputuation whilst you did so mention this publicly on the indiegogo campaign. I do not believe I have anything to hide. On the other hand I believe certain "ego driven" people here may have? Considering what I have and am setting out here.

I can only post on the indiegogo campaign because I supported the campaign with money. I was at a time interested as to why the fundraiser thought that my questions about my letter were amounting to "harassment". Since no real answer is forthcoming I will assume that no obligation to answer my questions are felt. Remembered, this will be.

Indeed, not only is my money no good, but my partners $1000 was no good and she had that refunded. David Webster messages me on the death book (face book) that techzombie has decided that I am "not co-operating" with the campaign. Indeed if by not co-operating he means discussing the chris carson rotary electrostatic transformer, and the "secret" of vibration, and the inertial neutralizer, then yes I am fatally guilty of this charge. talking about the suppressed technology that only the high ranking eric dollard people get to talk about between themselves in case the men in black come to steal it away from them. (some sarcasm added for dramatic effect and embellishment exists within the wording of this sentence).

7redorbs
07-11-2013, 12:53 AM
Eric Dollard Campaign Part 4

Having worked to some effort to attempt to guide this campaign in a direction that I felt was sensible, constructive and meaningful. I have only come to have our families $1100 rejected. As well as my letter, when I am supposed to be a "key person". Obviously not key enough as, after all my help, I am not allowed to speak freely, or receive what I paid. No explanation except that I'm a "psycho" and harassing you asking about it. If you think about it if you asked someone where something you paid for was , that was easy to do , and it was suggested by the company that sold it that they did not want to "ruin" your "reputation" and that your book was **** according to the man, I wonder how well another would take it. Especially after doing everything I have said, that is to say if I am not lying.

Thanks for this Eric and techzombie.

I am writing to suggest that after I help you raise $36,000 as what you described as a "key person", that I expected the letter from Eric instead of the unhappy threats of libel and slander and insulting remarks about my book.

My book very well might not be brilliant enough for Eric, but in all the "little people" that eric is so-called trying to help, the "little people" that helped him, I have actually taken action and made a great sacrifice so that others can at least access his information in a way that is not completely incomprehensible. Many people are not academics, and I feel that it is dangerous to bite the hands that feeds.


Tesla Round 2, The Mission of Eric Dollard | Indiegogo (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tesla-round-2-the-mission-of-eric-dollard/x/2235908?c=comments)

I suggest that it is considered carefully by all parties considered before going forward, as it is and would be incredibly unfortunate to see this campaign marred by problems that needn't be necessary and are in fact completely avoidable, that is to say, if some gentleman cannot keep their privates in their pants then maybe they should say nothing rash, or they could do inestimable damage to the reputations of other people they work, again completely unnecessary and wholely avoidable. The question you really need to ask folks is why?

ultimately, this ousting is something that I can live with. I wonder if that is something that everybody else can live with.

That means, Eric Dollard, the campaigners, and the supporters.

I suggest that someone somewhere think real long and hard about this.

Some people supporting Eric, have been alienated and the "all are welcome" message being touted is misleading. Any idiot and fool that gives us money welcome, but anyone who actually tries to make a difference and gets the campaign off the ground from 0 doesnt even deserve something he has supposed to have paid for. Not how I would conduct my business. But would it really be surprising if other human beings were perhaps less patient and respectful than I might have been in this case. And would intentionally and specifically smear the man in spite.

I want to be clear that is NOT something I am trying to do.

The only problem with politics is that if you do not participate you will become governed by your inferiors. I will not be governed by my inferiors, or by low people. Eric Dollard, will you? who governs you.

If you think that people deserve this sort of labeled treatment as aformentioned, or you support this sort of treatment then you are less of a father and a man than you are a scientist and that is something that cannot be taught in an engineering lab, I will be happy to leave you all alone forever, and it will be with regret. It is a shame as you Eric are one of the most intelligent persons I have ever come to know of I cannot think why you have surrounded yourself with such destructive and dishonest people, and I cannot think why you act so destructively and so unnecessarily nastily to people that already have helped you most significantly and could be mostly responsible for yoru recent successes.

Please be careful and look after yourself. I mean that Eric. I still want you to succeed. That is what friends, real friends are for.
We all do, all of us who truly understand what the wheelwork of nature technology means.
I suppose what I am saying is that I don't mind taking one for the team. I hope you are surrounded by people who can do that.

That is what worries me most of all. Most of all.
I mean it, be well.



Best Wishes,
Adam Bull
Author & Writer
indiegogo supporter
Tesla Round 2, The Mission of Eric Dollard | Indiegogo (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tesla-round-2-the-mission-of-eric-dollard/x/2235908?c=comments)

David G Dawson
07-11-2013, 01:25 AM
I am going to make a simple plea to all of you who are arguing to cease now and take your differences of opinion offline.
This is meant to be a research Forum where we are interested in all that Eric P Dollard has to offer.

I am most disappointed that you all have allowed this to get totally out of hand - enough!
Not going to side with either party but appreciate and respect the views of both sides but not here in the public space - thankyou!

Went to the 'AetherForce' Forum and was also most disappointed in that I saw the magic 'turn-off' word which I relate to the LOS (lack of substance) material of Facebook and Twitter and others.

I have a part in a Yahoo Forum of my own and would like all those interested in 'Energy Synthesis' (ES) to join where we can carry on the work of not only Eric P Dollard but others as we talk of all associated with ES.
You will have to be signed in when you join with your short reason for joining as we do have a doorway and just not anybody can get in and we also have moderators and I am one of those as well and at 71, can also get cranky:

dltorsiondevices : DL Torsion Devices (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/dltorsiondevices/)

All of those interested in carrying on including Aaron and David Webster who appear to have the disagreement are most welcome to join and all the others here dedicated to ES but the subject matter will always be ES and nothing else.
A simple site no pretty borders just a place to gather information together amongst like-minded individuals.

This does not mean to say I am finished here but will be if the disagreement continues - this is NOT what we are here for.
We are here for research in the name of Eric P Dollard and he needs to be respected in all of this and I see very little of that.

I am most fortunate that some of you have already joined me at the above Yahoo Group and have others interested.

Sincerely and respectfully.

Smokey

Sputins
07-11-2013, 02:52 AM
Zero Fossil Fuel - did an interview with Eric at the conference which was interesting to watch:

#338 Eric Dollard interview at Bedini-Lindemann 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccKLehJeNFA)

When I watched it did wonder what the heck Eric really meant during one part of the interview.

At 9:18 Eric says, "The co-operation was kinda not right with the people taking the pictures so nothing worked out like the way I wanted it".

So while Eric doesn’t say too much here, it does give some supporting evidence as to what has been said.

There is the website address on the bottom corner of the video. The website also has an interesting write-up on the recent conference.

jimm
07-11-2013, 03:47 AM
Yet another round of disturbing input!

"The people's project"? REALLY? How are the "people" involved? Mr 7redorbs is not happy for sure.

As Farmhand asked previously, " has this been thought out"?
Who knows? The "lab" is all hush hush under a cloak of secrecy while taking public donations as a non profit. Hmmmm...

Now there are accusations of improprieties.

Most people who have ground breaking ideas, find like minded talent who can contribute to various aspects of running a business, form a corporation with a mission statement, and set out for funding. Perhaps selling stock along the way.
This is more of a "study group", so there is no "proof of concept model", no product, no consumer, military, or industrial problem solved by what they are doing. Research can be profitable, like cern...for the people who work there...

Like all alternate energy outfits, it;s really hard to figure out who is running the show.
Why isn't there a EPD labs website with contact people, board of directors, etc , listed? Instead, there is nothing but but a Hodgepodge of forums, YouTube, and sites with almost anonymous owners!
If you can't even put up a website, how do expect me to believe that you can be organized enough to do advanced research?

I had to dig a bit to find Mr. webster, so I could tell him the Eric's radio license had expired. It's all very murky and mysterious.
BTW, I originally looked his license up to confirm that he was still alive because none of the stuff on the internet was posted by him, nor did any of the content have an official Eric Dollard source.

Meanwhile, at least Aaron has a business plan of putting books in the eager hands of the "true believers". He does have product of sorts. ( but not many fans :mad: ). I Don't know what went on between the factions, don't really care. It would be in your mutual best interests to work together, but that doesn't seem possible at this point.

On the other hand, I am not sure what EPD labs does or who is involved.
Until you guys step out of the shadows and be more forthcoming about your mission, people and status, I think any potential donors should hold onto their money.
At very least, Mr Dollard should get a regular treasury report and his name should be on the signing card since the funds were ultimately meant for him.

I'm talking out of my backside here, since nobody really knows what the hell the EPD Labs structure is, if any, but something to consider.
You would probably do better if you seemed more legitimate.

After all of this, everyone involved looks like nothing more than modern day Medicine show men. Sorry guys, you all need to clean up your respective acts.

Aaron
07-11-2013, 05:36 AM
He screwed me big time on two deals and then went out of his way to destroy my reputation.

HE EVEN MESSAGED MY GIRLFRIEND ON FACEBOOK badmouthing me. We were breaking up at the time but she was still mortified by the creep.

This is coming from someone that is completely anonymous who is simply making up stories. :clap: I have every message that I have ever sent through PM in Facebook going all the way to when I first joined. Put up or shut up.

Aaron
07-11-2013, 07:00 AM
your private lives are none of my business. However you all chose to do a public brawl, so now we get the picture of what a mess all of this has become.

What I really like about the guy is that he marches to a different drummer!
Go Eric! wherever you are... :notworthy:

What I brought up was about certain individual(s) around Eric who are pretending to help him - relating to the organization. That doesn't address Eric's private life, which is again - nobody's business. They are publicly raising money for that. Or at least supposed to be doing that. And if they are doing that, why do they need to come to the conference to take half of the money away from Eric, which was supposed to be his? He has his own personal needs, which are separate from the organization and if they can't even pay their own rent without having to leech off of the conference, which they have no business doing, then something is seriously wrong with the whole deal. I can't be the only one that sees this.

Webster already publicly said the donations account had more money than the organization's account. Eric was promised from the beginning that all the organization's funds would be taken care of (remember, there is an angel funder right???) - so why take money from Eric? Either they have a plan or they do not - and if they did, they would have had the rent taken care of without dipping into Eric's personal pockets. This is a very simple concept.

Here is a sample of the mentality we're dealing with here... Webster has to pay taxes on all that money in the donations account??? Are you kidding me? xx% should just be set aside as a matter of policy and not touched and used to pay taxes at the end of the year...whatever isn't spent on taxes can be dispersed from that amount. Are these organizational "experts" surrounding Eric giving Webster advice or are they sitting back watching all the money get paid out without any cause or concern for David's personal liability? I get that David is an engineer and not a business person, but they obviously know his situation because they used it as an example of how selfless David is (and I would agree with that belief), but that haven't had one spec of decency to mention to David what to do so he doesn't carry the burden on his own... What kind of person(s) would sit by and watch that happen without saying anything. Instead, they brag about what a great job Webster is doing to his own detriment. Wow - nobody had enough decency to tell David how to avoid being personally responsible. WOW. WOW. WOW.

Sign on the bottom line? Eric and I have an agreement and it has NOTHING to do with the non-profit organization and any details on the agreement are nobody's business. I have repeatedly stated that my work with Eric is Eric's personal deal and not the organization's. Some of them feel threatened by me and my relationship with Eric and it is all completely unfounded. They see me as competition to them. What I see or at least what I saw was that there could have been a mighty powerful alliance, which could have been mutually beneficial to all parties involved. They paint me as the greedy one, but you don't have the slightest idea how nefarious the elements are that I referred to. I was looking forward to a synergistic relationship. And what about Ray for example? Wants to destroy me and take this forums traffic so they can dominate and have exclusive control not only over Eric's work but his relationships. This is absolutely true and is why demands were made of Eric to stop posting here. Again, I can't be the only one that sees this.

I'm sure there are plenty of people that received my emails promoting Eric's indegogo campaign - and my recommendation helped to generate about 1/3 of their entire funding - and I told everyone on my mailing lists, etc... over 50,000 people at minimum and that doesn't include forum membership, etc... Now, they knew that Eric was coming to the conference - how much did they use all their magical promotional abilities to help promote the conference to let everyone know that Eric will be there? A few little-known references to the conference and my assistance in the campaign - and they only did that later, with much hesitation - that was it.

That is along the lines of a non-cooperative diode in a matter of speaking... they want things coming in their direction, but they do not want to reciprocate in the same way... as I said, I'm not the greedy one - there is a reason I've been in business for so long and my closest associates have been near me for many years. That is not possible if I was even the slightest bit the way Ray paints me as. Am I hard to deal with sometimes? Yes. But I am not greedy and I am honest in all my dealings - personally and in business. My personal business and partnership pay out 60% on all published materials that affiliates sell because I believe in taking care of people who contribute. I've done this for years and I'm absolutely thrilled to be able to offer this opportunity to people.

I saw some reference from some idiot here that I embezzled money? :rofl: What a dufus. I see all these claims that I'm screwing people but they're all from anonymous people with no proof. Only mental degenerates will believe an anonymous story with no proof and I've seen a few examples of that here already - we all have.

And on top of that, I actually am the one with evidence that Ray and even John P's claims about me are 100% fabricated lies. I never put Eric up to anything and Ray is afraid that you will all eventually learn this so he is trying to cause as much damage to my name in the meantime. He's too stupid to understand that he has buried himself in legal liabilities with slander, libel and defamation of character and a CLEAR willful and wanton desire to cause harm to my businesses. And he is stupid enough to post that all publicly. With me, I actually have proof that he is a liar and there is no slander if it is true. How anyone can be so pathetically stupid to believe that their lies will triumph over the truth is beyond me - especially when there is ample documentation.

If they had enough sense to understand that I can help the organization quite a bit from the outside without ever being involved with them, they wouldn't be in the destitute situation that they are left to deal with now. I'm not making any claims or promises to what level of help I can give, but for sure, they would be in a better position. Just my opinion.

Instead Ray's greed and dark agenda to label me as a "brainwasher", etc... in order to pull some stupid Jerry McGuire scene about "whose coming with me" - is burning those bridges - not only with me but others that I suggested they should consider helping the non-profit. Ray already slandered me in private by email before I ever posted anything in this thread so get that straight and get it straight that Ray and the others were given a message from Eric that denounced their attacks on me. They simply do not know what they're doing.

You have been led to believe the lab was acquired "for him". If that is the case, why are things being done behind his back - many things that are done without his knowledge or consent. As I mentioned in a past post, obviously each person should be trusted to do their job and doesn't have to always inform each and every person each time they have to flush the toilet, that's not what I'm talking about.

Here is a fact for everyone - the emails that Webster and Ray sent me, which were out of line was met with not only my own email - but a message directly from Eric biting their heads off in one sentence about how he does not approve of anything they did! That message in itself is all the proof necessary to show that Ray and everyone else is lying about the situation. They have short term memory and do not easily recall this message to them from Eric scolding them about their out of line bs. I'm not posting the message or the emails, but this is all documented. Oh gee - I just realized that I forgot to mention that little message from Eric - silly me!

Yes, your statement was a sharp stab at Eric - talking about how surprised you were that Eric would actually want the money??? If one or more "nefarious elements" are supposed to be such professionals at what they do and are supposed have their own fund generating mechanism set up, (which is what was promised to Eric), what in the world do they need someone to come to the conference to take half of the money away from Eric that was supposed to be his? I'm not sure what part of that you don't understand. His arrangements with me have NOTHING to do with the organization. I do my business and they should do theirs. What they want to do is throw a lasso around a coyote and what they wound up with was coyote byte marks across their faces. :whistle:

Aaron
07-11-2013, 07:12 AM
Aaron,

I apologize for the brothel reference, but you should consider researching the deceptive language and terminology of sustainable development. In my opinion, sustainability propaganda is saturating all mediums at the moment which would make it easy to be caught in the web (not unlike the little info web I'm obviously caught in here).

This situation is starting to look scary and I'm having a difficult time countering it with smart-ass comments and creative play.

All the best to Eric.

Apology excepted.

For example, showing the methodology of an electric motor that is cop 3.0 is sustainable by definition.

I'm fully aware of the club of rome not just pushing the sustainability propaganda along with global warming but actually crafting it so you are preaching to the choir, but anything like that from me is literal with no intent to deceive. All speaker's presentations descriptions were included on the conference website for everyone to read. And all the presentations were indeed presented as described.

Aaron
07-11-2013, 07:33 AM
I am sorry that my $1100 contributions were unwelcome. I am still waiting for the reason why they were not welcome. If you would like to discuss that is up to you. I have after all already been threatened by your friendly fundraisers when asking about the letter I should have got off you. My partner was understandably furious she was refunded the $1000 , the money me and family had put by was a lot to us. I would have given more if I could have. I still would now.

I am sorry that when I asked about the letter on your indiegogo campaign fundraiser, it was suggested by the fundraiser organizer that I had posted "12 harassing comments" there. Indeed, if by "harassing comments" it was meant my consistent re-putting of my question on the website, after it vanishing no less than 11 times, then, yes that is the "harassment" and "psychotic messages" that I am indeed guilty of.

You suggested in contrast that my "insane comments" "were deleted.", and that you could see why Eric Dollard referred to me as "a psycho", you mentioned that you had no intention of "ruining" my reputuation whilst you did so mention this publicly on the indiegogo campaign. I do not believe I have anything to hide. On the other hand I believe certain "ego driven" people here may have? Considering what I have and am setting out here.

I can only post on the indiegogo campaign because I supported the campaign with money. I was at a time interested as to why the fundraiser thought that my questions about my letter were amounting to "harassment". Since no real answer is forthcoming I will assume that no obligation to answer my questions are felt. Remembered, this will be.

Indeed, not only is my money no good, but my partners $1000 was no good and she had that refunded. David Webster messages me on the death book (face book) that techzombie has decided that I am "not co-operating" with the campaign. Indeed if by not co-operating he means discussing the chris carson rotary electrostatic transformer, and the "secret" of vibration, and the inertial neutralizer, then yes I am fatally guilty of this charge. talking about the suppressed technology that only the high ranking eric dollard people get to talk about between themselves in case the men in black come to steal it away from them. (some sarcasm added for dramatic effect and embellishment exists within the wording of this sentence).

Adam,

I only remember a vague reference to your name and the mention that you wrote a book about Eric's work but never looked into it.

Just so that you personally know, you absolutely are NOT a "nefarious element" that I mentioned... the #1 primary one that I AM referring to is Ray "Muhamad" Savant.

Feel free to send me a private message if you want to discuss anything. Your efforts do not have to be in vain.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience with "the organizers".

Aaron
07-11-2013, 07:37 AM
A simple site no pretty borders just a place to gather information together amongst like-minded individuals.

Thanks for sharing but there already is something coming together along these lines that will be announced in the near future.

Aaron
07-11-2013, 07:48 AM
Zero Fossil Fuel - did an interview with Eric at the conference which was interesting to watch:

#338 Eric Dollard interview at Bedini-Lindemann 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccKLehJeNFA)

When I watched it did wonder what the heck Eric really meant during one part of the interview.

At 9:18 Eric says, "The co-operation was kinda not right with the people taking the pictures so nothing worked out like the way I wanted it".

So while Eric doesn’t say too much here, it does give some supporting evidence as to what has been said.

There is the website address on the bottom corner of the video. The website also has an interesting write-up on the recent conference.

Thanks for posting that vid link. He is supposed to have that video subtitled correctly per the registration agreement regarding any video filmed at the conference.

Anyway, that kind of comment of Eric's is one of countless others. Literally, I could fill quite a few pages with these experiences that Eric had with the "others".

I have an interview of my own with Eric that was meant to help promote his upcoming presentation release and what you will find in it are a few of my comments about Webster and Polakowski and that was AFTER I received the email from Webster. I wonder if you will hear me complaining about them, etc... anyway, I'll post it sooner than I wanted to in order for everyone to see my demeanor and Eric's demeanor and everyone can see for themselves if Eric is someone under my "brainwashing" influence to put him against Ray, etc... This is completely different from an audio interview recording that I alluded to earlier on by someone significant. I even bring up the Aether Force's website and you can see for yourself what Eric's response to that is.

Aaron
07-11-2013, 08:03 AM
He does have product of sorts. ( but not many fans :mad: ).

Not sure exactly what you mean about not having many fans. You are seeing but a small sliver of people that do not have their feet rooted deep enough to think for themselves and when someone like Ray comes along with all his mouth, a few people are bound to move in whatever direction the wind is blowing. That is just human nature.

As far as people that I have banned, I do so when their mouth goes overboard, period. Some I leave in for a while so they can have all the rope necessary. Some claim I'm censoring them. That of course is wishful thinking that they had anything worth censoring. When some cynic keeps blabbering on, I always ask them to start their own thread so how is that censorship? It isn't. I'm uniquely qualified to literally write a book on the subject. Those people are trouble makers and are not welcome here.

If this forum only had 25,000 legit registered members and over the years I had banned (not counting spammers) about 25 people who simply needed to go, that is 0.001%... that is 1 out of every 1000 members, which is almost nothing. However, you can see how loud that small spec is. You just hear the noise. What you do not hear, is how patient and tolerant I am as a moderator for all the rest of the time, but I don't get credit for that - nor am I looking for credit. But, I know what the reality is and that is good enough for me.

Raui
07-11-2013, 09:22 AM
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jimm
07-11-2013, 01:44 PM
After viewing this video:
#338 Eric Dollard interview at Bedini-Lindemann 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccKLehJeNFA)

It became clear that there is nothing going on at the "lab" at all.
Eric seemed tired and dejected and maybe a bit hopeless. It was sad to see.

As suspected, the whole outfit is adrift, no clear mission, with no organized effort.
Mr. Dollard claims that there is no one there to help build things and the only slated project is something called a "cosmic induction generator", which he has misgivings about. Apparently, this hasn't been started either, since he was using the future tense.

There are videos on the 'net of a lab being built back in March with surplus rolling in while the construction was in progress. Mr webster says that they purchased a broadcast transmitter in the mean time. What is that for?
What happened to all of that hustle and bustle portrayed in the video?

Was the construction vid put up to gather more donations for something that had no future?
There are too many conflicting statements here and elsewhere. The Dollard camp ( whatever groups of individuals that may be) needs to get things under control or perhaps get someone with management experience and listen to them.
Put up YOUR OWN official website, identify yourselves, get a clear mission,post progress videos, ask for donations or help as needed. Be open and honest, but most of all, DO SOMETHING!

EPD/Dollard should compile all of your footage and make/sell a documentary entitled "How not to manage a non-profit lab". You ARE the authorities on that subject.

This "down on my luck" stuff is getting old.
Like they say in NYC... "You got nothin'!"

Aaron
07-11-2013, 07:32 PM
My post to you was because I felt that Dave Webster was being refereed to, obviously he did too and that's why he posted.

This topic did go out of control because of a lot of us and I apologize to everyone for my part in that. I hope it's clearer where I stand.

It is absolutely clear where you stand and I appreciate your clarifications.

From what I learned in Adam's email is that it appears that nearly the entire Ingegogo campaign success was due to both of our involvement and recommendations. That actually doesn't have anything to do with Ray's campaigning. Ray came to me asking for help and I was more than happy to do what I could - and I did. If Adam did what he said he did, I can clearly see where the success of the campaign came from. 2 people with big networks who promoted it. And who is patting themselves on the backs for being the heroes of the aetheric revolution? It's laughable if it weren't so sick.

When my promotions caused the traffic to explode at the Ingegogo campaign page - right after he asked for my help and I said I would help... He takes credit for it by immediately posting that the campaign has gone "viral" on its own. I didn't help to get recognition, but if he is going to actually give credit to it, it needs to be honest. Sorry, the campaign didn't go viral, it was from my promotions. Ray claimed it was all a communication issue. Really? He asked for my help, I agreed and said I would promote it, I did and the explosion in traffic he posted was from it going viral completely slapping me in the face for my contribution. He eventually gave a short mention of a "big thanks" to me for helping (after discussing it with Webster apparently), without retracting his "going viral" claims and left it at that. So, he allowed the viral claim to remain so that it looks like the success is from his campaigning efforts. That is the integrity that I experienced from Ray. Ray is essentially trying to take credit for other people's contributions - that is the plain and simple reality.

Anyway, a good portion of all of these arguments is because of assumptions and jumping the gun on these assumptions without ever taking the time to ask what's up. Quite a few people have done this already.

As I said, I find it most interesting that when I mention nefarious elements, which could have been ANYONE and doesn't even have to do with the organization, all 3 of them (Ray, John P and David W) thought it was a reference to them personally. :suprise: If someone is innocent, they don't have to defend themselves when they were not named and I left it that vague. Obviously I expected people to assume who I was referring to, but again, Ray flushed himself out with his ridiculous battle cries and soapbox drama.

The first assumption by Dave was that I was trying to sabotage his fund raising efforts, when I was simply asking for people to donate cash directly to Eric. I didn't know he was trying to ask for money for the lab because I didn't hear that part and was surprised to find that it was indeed his intention to do so, which is 180 degrees contrary to my conversation with him where I stated very explicitly that any money from Eric's involvement with the conference is to go to the donations account. To me, that is a slap in my face and a violation of trust, while disrespecting the "chain of command" or leadership for the conference by never asking permission and just doing what he wanted to do anyway.

Because this is an indisputable fact and David's email to me was unjustified and "backwards" from reality, I snapped back at Dave about that email and then here comes Ray, accusing me of being a liar amongst other slanderous remarks. When I saw that, that became a huge problem and verified what I had been told about Ray, how he acts and who he is. This is why Ray is a liar, is proven to be a liar and he even posted his lies and accusations publicly. Unfortunately, some people here ate it up like candy and joined in on the attacks against me, all publicly recorded. But, I will have the "last laugh" as I told Ray, he dug himself a hole and that is where he is finding himself now. Ray lied by quoting me as saying he dug his own "grave". That is because he is a liar and taking things out of context. He shouldn't be putting quote marks around something I said unless I actually said it.

It is important to understand he is not doing these things out of a misunderstanding - he is very deliberate about his lies and accusations against me with the hopes of damaging people's trust in me for his own agenda. He is a snake - period.

Both him and John P are pontificating about what a nice, respectful and polite letter David W sent me - while David came clean that it was not a respectful letter. So, why both of them would be willing to claim it was a polite letter when it contained 1 accusation of me pulling a "stunt", 1 lie about me getting people to pay Eric cash "instead" of paying the lab, and 1 condescending remark about keeping my suggestions to myself when I never suggested anything. And for them to claim the letter was so polite shows how low they will go to distort reality and paint me as a liar. What I said was "OR, if you happen to have cash and want to make a donation, you can give it directly to Eric." The OR means another option, not "instead of" as David claimed - taking it out of context and distorting reality. It is a distortion and instead of seeing that, Ray slanders me, etc... and that is why he is in primary instigator of this entire event. He needed to be called out and Eric was adamant about this issue needing to go public. As you can see about the "Martian" statement - you all ALREADY heard publicly from Eric, but some still pretend they didn't hear from Eric yet in all of this. :suprise:

In summary of all of this, I will post the email thread including a statement directly from Eric, which he aimed at all of them for sending me the emails to begin with. Then I will post the interview that I had with Eric and then you can all decide who is actually putting the non-profit organization and Eric's interest ahead of their own.

Aaron
07-11-2013, 07:58 PM
It became clear that there is nothing going on at the "lab" at all. Eric seemed tired and dejected and maybe a bit hopeless. It was sad to see.

As suspected, the whole outfit is adrift, no clear mission, with no organized effort.

Actually, there is a very clear mission of what is to be done as it is Eric's mission. When I said there are nefarious elements around Eric, that isn't an analogy or metaphor, it is literal and Ray is just that and may not be the only one.

From what you hear from Eric, does that sound like I have been brainwashing Eric to go against Ray and the others? No. We see clearly that Eric has already had issues ongoing because there is another agenda in the mix, which goes contrary to what Eric actually wants to do. You can see how disappointed he has been and that has been the case for a long time!

If anyone can read between the lines, it should be MORE THAN OBVIOUS that everything Ray said about me is nothing but a completely fabricated lie (John P is obviously manipulated by him) - and like I said, if anyone convinced anyone of anything, it was Eric who made it abundantly clear that Ray is a primary problem! I could see that on my own with a few incidents, but I didn't know how far it had gone.

Between what you mention about this video interview and what Sputins pointed out about the pictures not happening the way Eric wants - it should be clear to everyone that Eric is absolutely NOT respected in his own organization. I believe Webster respects Eric, but he has also been deceived by those who speak with a forked tongue - aka Ray "Muhamad" or whatever you want to call him.

Again, there IS a mission for the lab that Eric has for it. Eric's mission simply needs to be acknowledged and supported for it to happen!

And here is another part of Ray - he has already offered the members of the organization the "just say the word" offer. Meaning, he will have his thug friends (or he will do it himself) go physically intimidate and threaten certain individuals who screwed with Eric in the past to get equipment back, etc... No matter how wrong those people may be, having someone openly willing to personally or have their friends engage in illegal activities dealing with the intent to physically harm people is NOT someone that should be a part of any organization. And this coming from Ray clearly shows that his claims that his "wild MMA" past (you can read his motorcycle description), etc... is really not his past. As I mentioned before, Ray never changed from who he used to be - the only thing he changed was his clothes.

So, I knowingly put my own personal safety at risk sticking up for Eric in this regard knowing what kind of person Ray is and what he is capable of doing. I also know it was the right thing to do and I'm ok with that. He needed to be exposed. But like I said in the Trials and Tribulations post, I'm not one to roll over like a dog that pees on itself and if Ray even so much as thinks about doing anything personally to me or having any of his friends try to do anything either, it will be met with a form of self defense that is beyond his comprehension.

jimm
07-11-2013, 08:52 PM
Simply because innovation brings allong new variables. More variables means more problems or chalanges if you will. Anyho':

Replicate and innovate or to complete different things. If people could seperate this, the success rate of REPLICATION will become higher.

In other words, stick to the plan. Don't be a wise guy.

Stick to the plan to obtain unobtainable parts?
Any good plan has a backup plan.
It sounds like the plan is to make excuses.
There is No reason that solid state cannot be used in place of the OG4, none!

Yes, the collectors might take a week or two to figure out, but that beats doing nothing. A first year chem student could do it.

BTW, are you with the EPD lab?

jimm
07-11-2013, 09:14 PM
Again, there IS a mission for the lab that Eric has for it. Eric's mission simply needs to be acknowledged and supported for it to happen!


You may know what it is, or think that you do, but don't you agree that it would be better if they spelled it out in an official website?
The "lab" situation is clearly a mess. If he is to continue, drastic reforms need to happen yesterday!

All of this "Ray/Muhamed" stuff is a side issue which needs to be resolved within the Dollard camp.
I never got the vibe that Techzombie was a thug by reading his posts or blogs, but I never met him in person, I can't make head nor tails of the bickering, neither can anyone else , so you might as well stop
I must say your constant whining about him,Aaron, makes you seem petty.

It is Eric's responsibility to clean his "house" if that is what needs to be done.
In my original post I said that he didn't need a "keeper" and I'll bet that he would agree.

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Aaron
07-11-2013, 09:30 PM
You may know what it is, or think that you do, but don't you agree that it would be better if they spelled it out in an official website?
The "lab" situation is clearly a mess. If he is to continue, drastic reforms need to happen yesterday!

All of this "Ray/Muhamed" stuff is a side issue which needs to be resolved within the Dollard camp.
I never got the vibe that Techzombie was a thug by reading his posts or blogs, but I never met him in person, I can't make head nor tails of the bickering, neither can anyone else , so you might as well stop
I must say your constant whining about him,Aaron, makes you seem petty.

It is Eric's responsibility to clean his "house" if that is what needs to be done.
In my original post I said that he didn't need a "keeper" and I'll bet that he would agree.

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Website isn't necessarily needed but is helpful. But if you look at the overall gist of the picture that Ray has created is that the lab will birth all these Tesla technologies in order to save the world by having the heroes of the aetheric revolution lead the way. Sounds like a b-rated movie to me.

The mission statement given publicly should be what Eric says it is and not the circus act that Ray has turned it in to.

There are no side issues about Ray. He is a cancer to Eric and must be publicly exposed and ejected from all participation - hence Eric's Martian post.

back
07-11-2013, 09:33 PM
Just my 2 cents from a long time lurker. I joined this fourm today because of this thread.

I beg all of you get your act together. Mr Dollard is one of a kind. Please do not cause him to run. There is so much that we all can learn from him.

With that said Mr Adam Bull is a stand up guy. I know that for a fact. I have been a member of his fourm for a long time. He has been my inspiration for a long time.

So please all get it together. I know Adam's fondest wish is to have some kind of communications with Mr Dollard. He has gave so much. Please do not crush him.

Please try to get Mr Dollard every thing he needs. After that then just maybe some of the smart guys here can do it digitally.

Probally my only post on this fourm.
Just my 2 cents worth.

Bless all
Back

Geometric_Algebra
07-11-2013, 10:08 PM
Does anyone recall how the lost or missing video footage from the SF Tesla Society was obtained? Maybe I just keep missing a posting with these details.

zinky
07-11-2013, 10:31 PM
Eric told me long ago that to an electrical engineer politics is like a parasitic oscillation in the circuit. Aptly demonstrated here. But no surprises given the history.

Eric has intermittent and variable loyalty, that was well demonstrated when he bailed on Borderland Labs in Santa Barbara 1989 or so, just pulled up in with a truck and fled without notice, thought the San Francisco Tesla Society was going to be a better deal. They kept his equipment locked up for years after that whilst we got cursed for ruining everything.

And I've been publicly accused of everything from being a thief and embezzler to marrying a demon, and when Eric started posting some of that here after I donated him $500 Aaron negligently failed to respond to my PMs to him about allowing such on a public forum, not hard to surmise the reasoning. This forum gets no respect other than the valuable posts from members.

Ok, out of the way. I forgive Eric for his irascible nature and fully support his work. Comes with the territory! Thick skin is a virtue. It was a sacrifice on many levels to get the original works of his out through borderlands and I'm glad we did. Wish it would have worked out better, but for whatever sideshows occurred we left an indelible record of Eric's genius and it is great to see all this new output of the last year or so and the release of the SF Tesla lectures.

I'd like to do another interview with Eric, to update the old Functional Thinking one, to discuss ideas like the concept of seeing no stars in space which leads to a complete revision of the present spatial paradigm. If the transmission is longitudinal and the transmission and reception points are rendered the same point mathematically, without calculation in the dimension of time (I'm going from my layman's understanding of what I've picked up from Eric's work), then what exactly is the redshift? It's clear from Halton Arp's work on divergent redshifts in connected galaxies that for some instances the redshift denotes age/energetic state rather than distance. But what about the stars? What baseline of what phenomenon does the redshift indicate?

Just one concept of many that require exploration to gain a firm understanding of how the universe really functions. Eric's knowledge holds many keys, I hope ya'll sort your stuff out and the real work continues.

Tom

Aaron
07-11-2013, 10:38 PM
Here is the email I originally received from Dave Webster:

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Subject:

Stunt at Conference
Date:

Tue, 2 Jul 2013 19:21:44 -0500
From:

DavidWebsterx . <x@gmail.com>
To:

info@whitedragonpress.com
CC:

TecZ anon <x@gmail.com>, David Wittekind <x@gmail.com>


Hello Aaron,

I want to express my disappointment in the statement that you made after Eric's presentation where I made the announcement that I was taking donations for EPD Laboratories. EPD Labs is a nonprofit organization that has monthly operating expenses, equipment purchases yet to be made, payroll for hired labor, etc. That was very uncool of you to come behind me and tell the crowd that you could just give cash to Eric rather than donating to EPD Labs. While I understand that Eric is the star of the show, there is a great need for EPD Labs to have any influx of funds at this point in time. When the money dries up, it seems that it will fall in David's lap to continue to pay rent on the building. This is not fair considering the huge debt that he has accumulated already from acquiring the lab in the first place.

There was an original stated goal within EPD Labs which needs operating capitol to achieve. Reaching that goal will take the financial burden off of David Wittekind and allow this operation to really get the traction that it needs to move forward. Eric has his own idea of what is a priority, and it doesn't take into account the bank account of our prime benefactor, Mr. Wittekind. In all fairness to David, we need to consider the financial situation of the organization. With that being said, I hope you will respect the operating decisions being made by organizations that you do not belong to and keep your suggestions to yourself should the situation ever arise again.

Thanks,

Dave

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The three RED items are what Ray and John P consider to be a very respectful and polite email to me. Insulting me by accusing me of pulling a stunt, misrepresenting the situation by accusing me of getting people to pay Eric "rather than" the lab - when he has no business asking the paid attendees for anything and I had expressed to David before the conference that all money from Eric's participation was to go to the donations account, and then his condescending remark about keeping suggestions to myself when I never suggested anything. It is my conference and if I ask people to donate cash directly to Eric, that is exactly what I will do.


And you can see that David accusing me of not respecting their chain of command at the organization is in fact what he violated by soliciting the conference attendees without asking my permission or having any discussion about it whatsoever. It is a hypocritical letter that is very insulting. That is the letter of gratitude that I receive for helping Eric.


Next morning on July 3, I text my friend to ask Eric to not spend any of the money until he sees David's email. Eric immediately called David and expressed exactly what he thought about this whole thing and it wasn't pretty from what I heard but it relates to Coyote tooth marks...


Following this email, I receive one from Ray... Ray and John P are not board members and have no business receiving official communication that are on behalf of the non-profit but David W sent CC'd this email to them anyway.




-------- Original Message --------
Subject:

Re: Stunt at Conference
Date:

Wed, 3 Jul 2013 02:50:49 +0200
From:

TecZ anon <x@gmail.com>
To:

DavidWebsterx . <x@gmail.com>, John Polakowski <x@hotmail.com>
CC:

info@whitedragonpress.com, David Wittekind <x@gmail.com>

David Webster brings up an important point.

I do not make executive decisions in regards to financial matters as I am not on the board of EPD Labs thus it not my business. I simply do what the board agrees. This conference was a public forum to bring light to EPD labs efforts, this is why Eric thought it was wise to accept your kind invitation. We should all respect motivations and leadership that has brought this organization so far. We are all prospering from that effort.

I have a great deal of respect for the chain of command here and the sacrifices and leadership of David Wittekind and David Webster and I hope that you will share this same respect Aaron. It is good for all of us to work in harmony and means more exposure for all and profit for yourself. Let's keep that in mind.

Are you with us Aaron ?


-TechZ


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Guess who just outed John P as someone that cannot be trusted in addition to David W. I expressed to both of them before the conference that any money will go to David W at the donations account because I have been informed that there are serious trust issues with Ray, etc...

You can see Ray starts off taking about not making decisions about spending money. Well, you all should be able to also notice that none of that was part of the email that Webster sent me. What that means is that Ray slipped at the mouth and basically "outed" either David W or John P - meaning that they did not respect the privacy of a private conversation between either one of them and myself. Somebody has a big mouth and is a security leak to Eric who cannot be trusted to keep their mouth closed when it is in the organization's and Eric's best interest.

You can also see how Ray appears to be oblivious to the fact that just maybe, Webster was out of line sending me that email after everything I had helped Eric with. Instead, he goes on to pontificate about respecting the organization, etc... while being completely blind to the fact that it was Webster that completely violated the organization and members who put the conference together. Basically Ray is being a hypocrite condoning a hypocritical email to me. Am I with them??? Hell no, not if they are so blind they do not see that David was out of line writing me an email in that tone of voice.

Aaron
07-11-2013, 10:39 PM
Here is what I thought of David Webster's email and Ray's response - and read exactly what Eric thought about these emails to me:


-------- Original Message --------
Subject:

Re: Stunt at Conference
Date:

Wed, 03 Jul 2013 13:58:06 -0700
From:

White Dragon Press <info@x>
To:

TecZ anon <x@gmail.com>
CC:

DavidWebsterx . <x@gmail.com>, John Polakowski <x@hotmail.com>, David Wittekind <x@gmail.com>

David Webster,

You are completely out of line and have manipulated and distorted what my intentions are or were in addition to insulting me multiple times. If anyone is pulling a stunt at the conference, it was you. You can't walk into someone's conference and then solicit the paid attendees for money without having ever discussed it with myself or any of the other organizers. I would have gladly given you a table in the vendor's room without charge to give EPD Labs a presence. Not you, nor anyone else that you sent this email to, has ever said one single word to me about EPD Labs' participation at the conference. NOT ONCE!

I have one agreement and that is between Eric Dollard and I - it is NOT between EPD Labs and I. If you have such an arrangement in writing that was presented to me about EPD Labs doing something at the conference, please show it to me because I can't seem to find it anywhere. I'm all for helping EPD Labs, but this one-sided message from you, which nobody ever asked for my perspective, it total and complete unadulterated BS!

For now David, after Eric called you and chewed your head off this morning, his message to all of you in regards to insulting me twice (accusing me of pulling a stunt and telling me to keep my suggestions to myself in such a condescending and bull**** manner) and lying about my intentions (claiming I was trying to direct donations away from EPD labs) is this... Eric says that he REGARDS THIS BEHAVIOR AS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE AND NO LONGER WANTS TO DO BUSINESS WITH ANY OF YOU WHO ARE A PART OF THIS.

@ Ray, you are responding to something that David said and you never bothered to ask for my side of the story.

For the time being, for further consideration by all of you, contemplate the fact that this email is the FIRST AND ONLY time I ever was made aware that you asked for donations for EPD Labs. I only heard the mention of something about being set up to take credit cards because I was distracted by someone talking to me. And the ONLY account that I had specifically told David Webster that will receive funds from the presentation and conference was the dollarddonations account and NOT EPD Labs. David was very clear on this as I was very explicit in this communication and to go contrary to this shows me that he is the one that has absolutely no respect for the chain of command and leadership of the conference...

David, someone is due an apology and it isn't you. This is the second time you jumped the gun with me without knowing what the whole story was. Your renegade actions are a liability to EPD Labs and everything that Eric does. You are going to piss off people who have mountains of resources that can help Eric because you don't know how to address your concerns discreetly - and they will withdraw support, thereby sabotaging potential finances, equipment, support, etc... all because you pop off at the mouth insulting people without knowing the whole story and without ever bothering to find out what it is!!!

Remember when I had a problem with not getting proper credit about the Indegogo campaign and I sent it to you to keep you in the loop because I trusted you, you thought I was talking to you and your response included the threat to tell Eric how "appalled" I was so that Eric would decide to not come to the conference. Your ego was bruised and you were willing to sabotage all the help and support that I could have (and actually have) provided to Eric so far. What's more important - your ego or EPD Labs? Evidentely, from two times now of you jumping the gun in this senseless manner, your ego is way more important to you than the mission at hand and honestly, you have no business being in business or being a part of an organization that is supposed to be generating money because you're going to piss everyone off and everyone will simply cut off support! How you cannot consider the consequences of how you communicate to others as a representative of EPD Labs escapes me to no end.

For everyone else, I didn't hear David mention EPD Labs so when I told people if they have cash they can give that to Eric - that is NOT an attempt to sabotage anything. When he mentioned taking credit cards, I thought it was for the dollarddonations account. IF I had heard him soliciting money from the audience for EPD Labs, I would have approached him after the break to discuss my concerns (and he had the SAME opportunity right there at the conference). I would have asked Eric if he wouldn't mind giving some to David then it would be between them two. I'm not looking at stepping on anyone's toes, but evidently, David is! I wouldn't have walked away with a bruised ego based on a misunderstanding and then turn around and send a chicken s*** letter to him while CC'ing it to the other conference organizers.

David, you have absolutely no comprehension whatsoever of what your mouth has just cost you - what you have lost out on that I was preparing specifically for you is dead, dead, dead - at least for you and I will offer it to one of my close friends who I know won't stab me in the back. There is a lot more I would like to add, but I will leave it alone for now...

In summary David, look in the mirror and read your own statement as it should be directed towards you in regards to my conference, "With that being said, I hope you will respect the operating decisions being made by organizations that you do not belong to and keep your suggestions to yourself should the situation ever arise again."

Aaron


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So you can see that the ending remark from David to me actually applies to him as he is the one who violated the operating decisions of the conference organizers - bypassing all permission or discussions and trying to get money for the lab when I said that was a no-no regarding Eric's participation at the conference, since that was Eric's personal deal with me and not with the lab in any way, shape or form.

Aaron
07-11-2013, 10:41 PM
Here is the response from Ray, which showed me that he is willing to ignore the obvious facts and be combative in a way that goes contrary to Eric stating that he disapproves of that behavior. Ray doesn't give a damn about Eric, period. He does not care because he has his own agenda:


-------- Original Message --------

Subject: Re: Stunt at ConferenceDate: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 04:18:58 +0200From: TecZ anon <x@gmail.com>To: White Dragon Press <info@x>CC: DavidWebsterx . <x@gmail.com>, John Polakowski <x@hotmail.com>, David Wittekind <x@gmail.com>

Aaron,

I am appalled at your response.


You are without question the most unprofessional person I have come across in this scene and this is saying great deal. Your logic is also perverse and you have twisted the truth 180 degrees. David has proven to be a character of EXCEPTIONAL honesty and integrity. If you slander David Webster you slander all of us.


It is clear what you are attempting to do here and it is absolutely repugnant. Lying to the point where you accuse others of what you yourself are doing is whole heartedly disgusting. You will find David is not intimidated by your words nor are any of us.


Do not attempt to feign ignorance when you know exactly what you are doing. Your side of the story is without question the diametric opposite of what you say it is. I gave you the benefit of the doubt before with your outburst towards me but you have made your nature clear beyond a shadow of a doubt now.


Your shortsighted hunger for dollars is the epitome of the constant pattern of failure in this space. If it is one thing that I won't tolerate it is that. We are interested only in success and that demands integrity.



Your last words are perfect, except they apply to YOU. Everything you said about David Webster is true about YOU.
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In summary Aaron, look in the mirror and read your own statement as it should be directed towards you in regards to my conference, "With that being said, I hope you will respect the operating decisions being made by organizations that you do not belong to and keep your suggestions to yourself should the situation ever arise again."





-TechZ

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Unprofessional? What kind of idiot would believe that David's email to me was professional - insults and accusations, etc... and I'm supposed to be ok with that? They need to know exactly what the deal is so I told it to them in the letter I sent back. And mind you, this was all behind the scenes.

I have perverse logic? Webster is the one who disrespected all the conference organizers by going rogue and trying to get donations when I said from the beginning that anything dealing with my participation with Eric will go to the donations account. What part of that is hard to understand? It wasn't implied - I was very, very explicit about that desire.

Slandering David? I told him exactly what the facts are but you can see Ray's twisted perception of reality. Webster even admitted in this forum that he shouldn't have sent me the letter and admits that he made a bad assumption about being able to ask for money at the conference without permission.

What I am trying to do is repugnant? I'm the one "lying"? Pure moronic snake talk insanity. It was David's email that accused me of doing something, which he is the one that is guilt of doing it at the conference. Disrespecting the conference organizers and my wishes that no money from the conference will go to the lab.

More of Ray's mouth about David not being intimidated? No surprise since there is nothing in my letter that is intimidating in nature. I defended my position and stated the facts that are contrary to his imaginary assumptions about what happened.

Shortsighted hunger for dollars? I helped put quite a bit of money in Eric's hands by the end of the conference and Webster came along to take half of it away from him. They should have their own fund raising methods in place instead of having to leech off of Eric's personal money. I can guarantee if I was hungry for dollars that this "free energy" field would be the LAST thing I would ever choose to do. That is not a joke. I like to think I'm fairly proficient at what I do, but if I was hungry for dollars, I would become a stock broker or have some other career choice that would be completely meaningless to me. Virtually everything that I have been involved in during my adult life has revolved around being of service to others. If you want to talk about having a short sighted existence, read Ray's description of his motorcycle.

"epitome of the constant pattern of failure in this space. If it is one thing that I won't tolerate it is that. We are interested only in success and that demands integrity." - what a flaming crock of crap. Constant pattern of failure - look at their situation. Success and integrity? Again, they're broke and can't pay the rent so they come to the conference to take half of Eric's money away from him. Where is the integrity in that?

And with Ray's summary - more crap. It should be common sense by now that it was David who disrespected the conference organizers by asking for funds for EPD Labs without permission or discussion. Ray is a hypocrite and supports and condones the hypocritical actions of David.

I posted the email because David basically posted the contents with his SLANT on it... I want to show you what was actually said and in what context.

I'm still questioning David's comment that he thought it was ok to ask for donations for the lab since it was "implied" when I said they could have a table in the back if they asked for one. Well, they never requested to have any official presence at the conference so how could it have been implied??? David, that comment brings all of your integrity into question because by your statement you thought it was implied is manipulating people into believing that I somehow told you that you could have a table at the conference before you asked for donations when you know for a fact that this never took place. Again, very questionable David... what that you on your own or was it suggested by Ray? Very, very questionable of you David.

Remember to see what Eric's message to them was. David knows that that message did indeed come from Eric and was not made up by me.

So again, what does Eric say about the email David sent me and Ray's response to me calling me a liar, etc...?

Eric says that he REGARDS THIS BEHAVIOR AS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE AND NO LONGER WANTS TO DO BUSINESS WITH ANY OF YOU WHO ARE A PART OF THIS.

So, with that being said, Ray, John P and David W completely ignore that when I posted the "nefarious elements" comment. They do not have any respect for what Eric's is saying. Eric did not approve of that behavior and me posting the comment that I did was not a reason do disregard what Eric said, which Ray and John P absolutely did with the lies, slanders and other made up trash about me manipulating Eric, etc... If they had any respect for Eric, they would have not responded and would have waited to talk to Eric about all of this. Ray takes it upon himself to determine what needs to be happen and Eric's opinions are irrelevant.

Aaron
07-11-2013, 10:48 PM
Just my 2 cents from a long time lurker. I joined this fourm today because of this thread.

I beg all of you get your act together. Mr Dollard is one of a kind. Please do not cause him to run. There is so much that we all can learn from him.

With that said Mr Adam Bull is a stand up guy. I know that for a fact. I have been a member of his fourm for a long time. He has been my inspiration for a long time.

So please all get it together. I know Adam's fondest wish is to have some kind of communications with Mr Dollard. He has gave so much. Please do not crush him.

Please try to get Mr Dollard every thing he needs. After that then just maybe some of the smart guys here can do it digitally.

Probally my only post on this fourm.
Just my 2 cents worth.

Bless all
Back

You said you joined today but are a long term member. Not sure what you mean. In any case, Adam seems sincere enough to me and I don't think his work has to be in vain at all. I can help where I can and will talk to him about that.

Aaron
07-11-2013, 10:53 PM
and when Eric started posting some of that here after I donated him $500 Aaron negligently failed to respond to my PMs to him about allowing such on a public forum, not hard to surmise the reasoning. This forum gets no respect other than the valuable posts from members.

Tom,

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You and I have emailed back and forth a couple times before about some of the old Borderlands videos, etc... but I never received a PM from you here in this forum. I don't know what you mean about allowing "such" on a public form. What???

Farmhand
07-12-2013, 12:05 AM
In my youth, I had a boss/mentor that taught me a valuable lesson that applies here and for Eric’s sake and also for everyone else involved; I beg you to simply read this and then I will disappear into the woods again to care for my land, garden, and chickens. Much easier than keeping coyotes, I assure you.

One of my first jobs was working at a polyethylene plastics factory. I ran a compressor that transferred plastic pellets from huge silos and blew them into railroad cars for shipment. The second in command below my boss was known for practical jokes and I believe he changed what I had set up and when I switched my system on, nothing came out. When I checked, the silo valve was open and plastic was pouring out onto the ground. Thousand of pounds of Food Grade plastic for Tupperware reduced to scrap.

Because of the environment I was raised in, I thought my boss was going to kill me. Imagine my surprise when he, without even a hint of anger or disapproval, gave me this life changing philosophical treatise.
Accidents happen all the time. Assigning blame is a waste of time. The only thing that is important is finding out what happened and exactly how and why it happened and then using that information to make sure it doesn’t happen again. It changed my life and as well, if you have a brain; it should also impact your life and thinking.

I see pages of hot-headed, venomous, youthful immaturity. To what end? Fix the problems!

Whose guilty, whose to blame? Doesn’t matter. Eric is unhappy. Everyone should strive to make him happy right? Isn’t this about him? Isn’t it? If it isn’t then you are in wrong place and on the wrong thread.
Watching the ZeroFossilFuel video, I got the following impressions and I am not aware of the facts and perhaps I am drawing a conlusion here but didn’t I hear something about Eric having to install 11 miles of wire on poles in the desert? That is had to be done first because it was already paid for? Is that what the Indiegogo campaign was based on???? I am almost sixty and as healthy as a lifestyle I have, my body is racked with pain sometimes after working on a project. There is no way anyone can expect Eric Dollard to be climbing countless poles in Death Valley stringing wires. Who ridiculous idea was that?

See what I mean? Who cares who’s idea it was….fix it. Eliminate that horrible picture from Eric’s mind!
Find volunteers where Eric can supervise only or eliminate the project completely. The whole spirit of Indiegogo seems to have been compromised already according to some, so changing to an easier, fun project is not going to make donors unhappy. They donated to help Eric after all!

He shouldn’t be burdened to think like that. A genius only creates what he wants to create. He has to be happy to be creative! I know, my inventive mind shuts down if I am burdened by anything heavy looming in my future. When I lay down at night, everything in my life has to be in order for me to lay there in blissful contemplation and creativity.

Eliminate that issue. I don’t care how you do it, just do it. Eric needs to be completely free to do what Eric wants to do….PERIOD! Feed the Coyote or change channels….get it?

Ask someone for help. A completely independent third party with known integrity and values like EWizard, DrGreen, Smokey, or even ZeroFossilFuels. Someone who will maintain contact with Eric and make sure he is happy. Someone who could care less about making money from Eric’s work. Someone who will be transparent with the world at large and clean house without the drama and without assassinating the character of every single person concerned. Someone with the maturity to find the source of the problem and eliminate it once and for all instead of “giving rope” or “waiting for people to fall into a trap” or attaching horrible labels like "nefarious" onto multiple well meaning people. That sort of thing never solved a single problem.

Men sit down and have rational discussions to solve issues. Punks yell, scream, and accuse. So don’t be a punk…mmmmmmkay. Stop defending your position. Stop stroking your ego. Stop choking on false pride. Stop the aggression. Stop blathering on and on. Just stop!
Your only thought should be how can I help make Eric Dollard’s life a dream land of inspiration and hope. Then make it so!

Leave me alone, I got chickens to tend to.

Not replying to you Orion, just agreeing. Keep tending those chickens. :thumbsup:

I agree the thought of Eric climbing poles to installing horizontal supports and
insulators so he can then hang wire makes me shake my head. What if he falls ?

He should have help, I admire his work ethic and I realize he is a safe worker
but there should at least be someone else there to "offside" for him and just
be there for reasons safety ect. Freak accidents happen.

He may want to do things himself so he knows things are done how he wants
them. Every Tradesperson building something should have an observing
assistant though for assisting and safety. Even if he must give them training first, I think he deserves some help.

Cheers

techzombie
07-12-2013, 12:19 AM
Well folks

We have a serious problem here. There is a sociopath running this place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissocial_personality_disorder#Dissocial_personali ty_disorder

If you do not recognize that after 3 pages of insults, threats and a tone of utter contempt then just ignore this message and go on about grazing.

What happened is pretty clear. One of our comrades was attacked and we rallied to his defense. Then we were all attacked. This is not a brawl, merely friends and comrades coming to the aid of another. All the attacks are coming from one side. I have been called an infidel and a muslim terrorist thus far... will I be labeled a Nazi next? Only in the sick mind of a sociopath can all three be true at once.

Who else but a sociopath accuses grown men of "popping off at the mouth" when having a rational discussion? I wouldn't talk to children that way, yet this creature does so without guilt and then expects our sympathy. Classic sociopathic behavior.

I see clearly why nothing has ever come out of this forum and why nothing ever will. Scientists need balls and brains. clearly this environment is a ball crusher, with a high chair tyrant treating grown scientists like children. Would you speak to me that way in person Aaron? or John? or any grown man? I think we all know the answer. Maybe Ill ride up to the next conference on my floating anti grav bike with two Japanese Gogo Dancers decked out in Nazi attire with big old muslim turban, the Giant Negro From Mars... I wonder what your tone would be like then? Wear knee pads kid. there is only one keyboard "warrior" here...

We need to take a stand and realize what is happening here. David Wittekind has sacrificed everything to make this happen, His house, maxed his credit cards, taken out a loan on his 401k. JohnP let Eric live with him for 2 years. David Webster has spent countless hours being there for Eric when no one else cared and has transcribed all the notes you see on here. Helping Eric, Aaron and all of us. All this work is about to be thrown away because of one man's greed.

Aaron wishes he could have made this happen himself and create a real brand for Eric... but all Aaron can do is count beans and do seo hacks to sell more nofat pills and ass water. So he is trying to drag a noble mission into video and book sales. Eric;s videos will go up on the same old template and you won't know if you're gonna be getting a talk on the Hysteresis of the Aether or a way to blow 90 bucks to lose a pound of flab off your behind. He just wants another cow to milk. We want to resurrect real science and so does Eric. He lead us here.

The hottest spot in hell is reserved for those who stay neutral in times of great trial. If you stay neutral while your friend is being attacked, what happens? Will you stay calm and ask everyone to take a balanced perspective when someone is raping your sister? Or will you jump in and defend her ?

JohnP, Garret and I all jumped in and we are still being assaulted. My personal information was dropped all over this website..... ask yourself what kind of creature does this. Aaron is focusing on me because I am not backing down and the sociopath hunger for his supply of narcissistic supply to keep his ego inflated and to send a message to others. He sees us all as peasants and this place as his ant farm.

The situation at the lab... well... it could be alot better. We all went there and broke our backs working to build it up. We were all expecting to grind to work on the lab and in a few months have a CIG up and running and a new Fundraiser to cover the huge costs. Then Eric announces he is taking a 3 month break.... to give a lecture at the conference.... (double face palm)

There is a very clear plan and the videos were in the works, but then everything got put on hold and all of a sudden me and David Wittekind were the villains. David was accused of "nefarious" acts and I was accused of misrepresenting Eric, so the videos stopped. now.... it is even worse. with Eric turning on all of us out of the blue.

The plan Aaron has is simple. Sabotage EPD Labs, turn us all against each other and then claim he is saving it from us "messing up". Thus far he has turned Eric against us all, yet cannot divide David,Dave, John and I. This frustrates his socipathic mind so he is now focusing on me in that he can get the others to turn on me and thus have the "threat" I represent out of the picture. Then he will apply the same template to the others and so on... You see the exact same supremacist mind virus destabilizing countries all over the world. This is some kind of spiritual pathogen. Aaron is just a lowly carrier, a mid boss at best... in stage 1. He has like 2 hp and 1 atk but his LIE spell is rapid fire.

Everything aaron is accusing me of is true of him. The Lab is grinding to a halt despite our best efforts. The vultures are ready to swoop in for the kill. Eric never gave me permission to do anything, not post a video, not to make a fundraiser, write an article, make a website ... nothing. I did it anyway and it worked, we are here. And now we see an army of vulture here screaming and waiting to move in for the kill.

If you guys want to stop this and save this mission. Speak up now. call Aaron out for the sociopathic greedy creature that he is. Do so or never complain again about amazing things not happening. I am willing to fight off an army of shills, mib's or whatever but no movement can withstand betrayal from within. Aaron won't stop until Epd Labs is destroyed and Aetherforce as well. He craves control like all true sociopaths.

Eric lost his labs before because bottom feeders got his ear and made him turn on those who actually cared, refer to Zinkys post above, he made the original Borderlands videos with Eric. Eric will lose this one as well unless we all speak up. Me, David,John and Dave have done everything we possibly can. But we are up against professional liars here. Eric knows electricity and aetheric science.... he does not know how to handle people and often trusts the very worst ones. In any venture letting the wrong people in is the very worst mistake and Eric has let in the very worst.

So let me make it clear. I am not doing this for Eric or anyone else. I am doing this to get to the truth. Eric helped guide me and all of us to the light. Now we need to guide Eric, as gifted as he is with aetheric science.. he is as poor with human relations, case in point his association with Aaron.

I can only do so much guys. I have a life. I cannot fight Eric's demons for him. Aaron is just a sad joke. All the key people leave here for another forum tomorrow and he is finished, just selling Ass water and optimizing his seo all day like a good little bean counter.

The words all over this thread tell the whole story. Take strong action. You don't slap a sociopath on the wrist. You shove your foot up his... and then you leave. Eric will follow and then we can build something awesome that will go far beyond greed. Our goal here is not to sell some ebooks and videos it is to bring real science back. Petty small minded greed be damned. Who you with Tesla.. or Morgan?

I began this journey because I wouldn't let another Tesla just wither away alone. Now We must all team up and protect what we have built from the lies of greedy petty minded "business men aka sociopaths" that threaten it. Time to man up again.

Aether Force &#124; Tesla, Steinmetz, Alexandersson & Eric Dollard (http://aetherforce.com) has a forum and soon it will be the best on the net, in design and content. I choose to assert my will here. Those who choose to help. Please do join us. Let's bring science back. I will stand by and fight along side any of my brothers and sisters till the very end. Sociopaths be damned.


As for the rest of you.... continue to strive for knowledge.. just remember.. to take a stand like a man should.

Caio.

zinky
07-12-2013, 12:24 AM
Tom,

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You and I have emailed back and forth a couple times before about some of the old Borderlands videos, etc... but I never received a PM from you here in this forum. I don't know what you mean about allowing "such" on a public form. What???

you said you keep all pm's, what about this one?

13473

techzombie
07-12-2013, 12:26 AM
Not replying to you Orion, just agreeing. Keep tending those chickens. :thumbsup:

I agree the thought of Eric climbing poles to installing horizontal supports and
insulators so he can then hang wire makes me shake my head. What if he falls ?

He should have help, I admire his work ethic and I realize he is a safe worker
but there should at least be someone else there to "offside" for him and just
be there for reasons safety ect. Freak accidents happen.

He may want to do things himself so he knows things are done how he wants
them. Every Tradesperson building something should have an observing
assistant though for assisting and safety. Even if he must give them training first, I think he deserves some help.

Cheers

Whose ridiclous idea was that????? Great question....

IT WAS ERIC'S IDEA

We all did a double face palm on that one.... Try talking to him yourself..

David and I wanted to focus on getting the CIG done and getting it out to the world but.... Eric has MANY pet projects...

Seriously... you guys don't know the half of it. and now we have a sociopath wanting to further suck his blood after eating up 3 months.....

double face palm....:suprise: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

techzombie
07-12-2013, 12:29 AM
you said you keep all pm's, what about this one?

13473

Socioath.... OWNED!!!

Nice one Bro!

keep calling out the liar.. let see how much he squirms.

techzombie
07-12-2013, 12:30 AM
Does anyone recall how the lost or missing video footage from the SF Tesla Society was obtained? Maybe I just keep missing a posting with these details.


David Wittekind got them for an source that chooses to be anon.

hint he is a dude that helped out Eric MANY times in the past... and also got burned hard.

Geometric_Algebra
07-12-2013, 01:07 AM
David Wittekind got them for an source that chooses to be anon.

hint he is a dude that helped out Eric MANY times in the past... and also got burned hard.

It's fairly clear at this point that you are a very reliable source of information, so I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

BTW: You're the movie buff. How do you kill a zombie?

Aaron
07-12-2013, 01:31 AM
Whose ridiclous idea was that????? Great question....

IT WAS ERIC'S IDEA

We all did a double face palm on that one.... Try talking to him yourself..

David and I wanted to focus on getting the CIG done and getting it out to the world but.... Eric has MANY pet projects...

Seriously... you guys don't know the half of it. and now we have a sociopath wanting to further suck his blood after eating up 3 months.....

double face palm....:suprise: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

You are a scumbag Ray. Look how easily you turn on Eric when you start to get exposed. You are showing everyone how you just shake your head at Eric.... :suprise: Talk about a sociopath - first you're all about integrity and now you are disrespecting Eric to the whole world.

If you had any sense of decency or respect for Eric, your aim would be to PROTECT Eric and his reputation. Instead you simply show you are what I said, a scumbag.

Aaron
07-12-2013, 01:38 AM
you said you keep all pm's, what about this one?

13473

Tom,

I vaguely remember that. It's ANONYMOUS and I'm not going to waste much time following up on anonymous requests.

I generally do not follow most of what was in Eric's threads because I don't have the technical background to follow it. So expecting me to know every little scuffle going on between members is not just unrealistic, it is downright ridiculous to assume I knew what you were talking about.

You know who I am and how to get in touch with me by email. I thought we had some cordial communications by email and I had a degree of respect for you and your past work. Why play games and send this when you could have emailed me. Perhaps Eric was right about you. Otherwise, why would you be playing these games now?

zinky
07-12-2013, 01:45 AM
Tom,

I vaguely remember that. It's ANONYMOUS and I'm not going to waste much time following up on anonymous requests.

I generally do not follow most of what was in Eric's threads because I don't have the technical background to follow it. So expecting me to know every little scuffle going on between members is not just unrealistic, it is downright ridiculous to assume I knew what you were talking about.

You know who I am and how to get in touch with me by email. I thought we had some cordial communications by email and I had a degree of respect for you and your past work. Why play games and send this when you could have emailed me. Perhaps Eric was right about you. Otherwise, why would you be playing these games now?

you really are an *******!

Aaron
07-12-2013, 01:46 AM
Socioath.... OWNED!!!

Nice one Bro!

keep calling out the liar.. let see how much he squirms.

You're obviously retarded - I laid out the facts in your own words, in the emails and with evidence.

The videos referenced prove in Eric's own words that there was obviously something going on between you guys and him and it was obviously before Eric ever came up here to meet me.

What that shows is that your mentally degenerate claims about me being the one who put Eric against you is 100% BS and you concocted it because you are the one who is a liar and you think you can continue to obscure this fact from people's eyes by puking more of your tripe all over this board. And on top of that, you very easily call Eric out as being responsible for something "ridiculous"? Yes, you continue to reveal who you are.

A psychopath who has sex with his motorcycle and who has taken so many steroids it has shriveled your brain to the size of a peanut. You are a pathetic low life scumbag who has been causing Eric great misery for many months, preying on Eric and his work like a pedophile at a playground.

Aaron
07-12-2013, 01:58 AM
you really are an *******!

:clap: You send me that PM asking me to Ban Eric. You don't tell me who you are or what it is even about and you make no references to any posts. Look at your own message - you don't even put your name to it. Zinky? Who the hell is Zinky??? I was supposed to take that seriously? A new member with 1 or 2 posts at the time if even that requesting me to ban someone. I think you need to wake up look at it from someone else's perspective instead of just your own.

I already knew Ray had some issues but after hearing Eric explain quite a few things to me and witnessing what I've witnessed, he was right on about everything else that I wasn't able to verify at the time.

I knew of issues between Eric and you, but didn't know what to make of that because I had a lot of respect for you and didn't see you as being that way, but evidently Eric was right, which is very sad to learn. I was an admirer of your work and now I find myself disgusted with you.

7redorbs
07-12-2013, 02:04 AM
I had initially planned to say no more and respect Mr. Dawson and the other respectable gentleman who have signaled their wish to advance. Might i suggest that in order to advance, first one must have a proper foundation to build upon.

I see that a comment of mine has again disappeared from the indiegogo campaign comments page, for the Eric Dollard fundraiser again. Is this something ERic Dollard is doing? Or is somebody else pulling strings?

I am yet to get an answer so far, that has not completely avoided the question. I have however been threatened, insulted and called a psycho. It is not very good really, is it? Should I do nothing. Probably. So it is not a wholely professional or courteous thing that I am doing here myself, but what are the alternatives? Say nothing I suppose and see how much worse things could get. Months ago I knew something was wrong, I wish I had said more earlier to be honest and got this whole ugly thing out of the way.

For reasons that I have absolutely nothing to hide. I am now hereby including the missing posts from indiegogo. I am in fact sick of them vanishing and "history" being re-written by an organisation that claims to be preserving it. I am suspicious of this conflicting interest and I believe others have signaled their dissatisfaction. In contrast to aetherforces objectives to revealing the truth history of electricity, it does seem rather hypocritical to be rewriting the eric dollard campaign history, and having myself suffered very directly and abruptly first witness to such unreasonable afflictions I find myself writing in discourse once again on these matters. Giant alien invasion anybody?


It is with deep and lasting regret I am writing this yet again, and it is with further hope that it can reach some finality. Or better yet some explanation as has been repeatedly requested in the most dignified and respectful of ways by myself. It is wish sadness that I cannot say the same respect has been shown towards myself. And I find that I must reject these deletions of my comments must strenuously.

Many people helped this campaign and they all deserve credit, least of all myself. I never expected any. I see though that you are happy to take credit without thanking people such as myself to which Eric's success has been bolstered. I can genuinely say that I am happy for him. I wish that it was not such bitter sweet thoughts, as I am no longer welcome to this paradise lost. It is what it becomes to be.

My respect goes most of all to Mr. David Dawson. David I am sorry for this, and for me, i believe it ends here. David is the silent objective character, a real tunnel of light in my opinion, a Truly objective scientist seeking truths as an engineer, and artist. I detect that his manner of some time late is that of frustration, and one on that of many levels, but it is right, and he is right, He should feel frustrated, and a lot of people could learn something from David Dawson, a man whom truly is objective, honest and respectful in his communications and desires. I feel that the problems that David face are similar to that of Eric's , that is to say materials, and I have hoped for a very long time now that they would be able to communicate more readily in order to achieve something, as these two men are probably second to none in their vacuum tube experience on EF. I am aware Dawson has many tubes of great vintage and he has already operated a properly configured CRD. The next step will be in determining the velocity of the detected rays by a second detector, and a timer of great resolution , such as a similar manner as expressed by the experiments of wheatstone measuring electrostatic discharge in a segmented transmission line spark gap. It can be expected that similar results from Tesla detecting rays from Antares might be observed. 50C propogation and up.

A true miracle finally destroying the pillar of relativity once and for all! I can see the excitement coming! It really is this close, and I feel that there is genuinely a very dark presence that is manipulating facts in order to create MAXIMUM confusion and fallout.

May we all takes steps to counter such elements and work as fellows to resolve these things as men, for our fathers, mothers, and kid children and family. We must aspire to raise above even our enemies. Hard this is, I know.

The keys of vibration, sound, resonance, gravity, electricity and magnetism, are unknown in their base , frame and individual particles or corpuscles of matter. Still the base is unknown and so the entire frame of electricity hangs in an awkward balance. Aurora is not even a light. It is a current. Eric knows all about it. I wish and hope he does not really think I am a "psycho" as has been suggested by the fundraiser, because I have forwarded his work significantly.

We have used electricity for hundreds of years but still have no idea what it is! Here we have the one man that can do all this, and something that I have recognised for some years, and unnecessary arguments are arising from lack of basic self respect. I know Eric is a wise man and is not alien to the things that I am referring to. There is nothing alien about it at all!

Many could learn a lot from the gentleman Dollard and Dawson. I'm ashamed to say it, but it is in fact true. I have watched, since before these times whilst in N6 KPH yahoo. But - Some of the elitist attitudes, the academic attitudes and the new age attitudes, nearly all are of contemptible types, so narrow and inflexible - they have such small universes - but why must this be so. What ever happened to the era of careful commercial and engineering progress and experiments & polite scientific communique and writing? It is a dying thing, a dying era, a dying generation. we should not let Eric die with it.

Eric is not getting any younger, and he looks tired, and run down. I have sensed that something is not right. people like me who have helped so much could make a difference to the funding of the lab but if we are treated the way that I have suggested has occurred then what is the way out? I do not know. But if some of the things that have been said here are true, as the things I have state I claim to be so - then this needs to be resolved immediately for Eric's benefit.

Luckily for Eric he is still a brilliant, charismatic and lovable man. He has failures like all of us, but more usually than not - the greater the genius, the more significant the small failings are. I could live with Eric calling me a psycho. I think it is a little bit unnecessary, and extremely hurtful after everything that I did to make this possible.

I am sorry for what I have had to say. it is with regret that I am speaking of this at all. Not getting credit I can live with, but seeing mystical b.s and other questionable people corrupting eric dollard with this undesired abusive attitudes is beyond belief, especially when I stand accused of such a thing by these men. To add this I have been threatened by libel and slanders accusing of the same , to which their exists no evidence I am currently aware. (have these comments now been deleted in such retrospective thought?) In the same manner it is fair to say that any persons attitude and behavior speaks volumes about who they are and what they represent. Some unlucky and less fortunate others may not even be aware that their attitude reveals their expansions of meaning, even accidentally, or if incompetent to be aware of such a thing. If certain men are not aware of their conduct, then it is an generally embarrassing thing, one I can hardly stand to watch. It is an endeavor worthy of the eyes cringe to some extent. I am sorry to say that I have felt appalled since the very beginning of the "aetheric revolution". I wonder how Eric feels. I wonder.

Said people can criticise me, but what could possibly be more important than what the man Eric Dollard feels and wants. And if Eric is being relegated because of the misappropriations of other people, then it is the same story happening again. There seems to exit a dangerous recipe for confusion, mis-communication, and generally disaster. The last thing I or any one else who truly wants Eric to succeed is someone creating an unnecessary and prolonged legal battle as a result of rash or emotional responses. I believe that is what I have seen, and I am writing to signal that this is wrong. And that the excuses are unnecessary when a simple apology and explanation could have been rendered by an otherwise professional organisation with an incredibly good standing. IT is sad, is it not? That this has not happened.

That a reasonable thread has not been struck in the chords to reclaim the lost battle of hope?

Anyone that cared about Eric or truly representing his campaign and vision in a professional manner would not jeopardise the hard work they did with such brash and undeserved overconfidence. Such as defaming people.

If this is happening more widespread than just in my case this has to stop NOW. I have no problem with being defamed, I am concerned that other people may not be so willing. Such as George Gadboury, or Aaron deciding to take legal action for harassment or libel something. Nobody likes a dishonest person more than the next, but becoming a brute in order to resolve situations can result in worse than the supression, but in fact reprisal. THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANT FOR ERIC. I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS WHAT ERIC WANTS EITHER, IS IT? DO YOU NOT THINK ERIC HAS HAD ENOUGH OF THAT? YET IN THE INDIEGOGO CAMPAIGN YOU SUGGESTED PEOPLE HARASS GEORGE. Well that is great, and I am glad you got the lecture, it is brilliant by the way. But one has to be careful about the means and ends they chose to achieve their goals, or they should not be surprised if the golem they create turns on them and devours them. This a myth with a real lesson, and not some psuedo epic win nonsense for the brainless masses, but a truly important philosophical lesson that is currently not being heeded. Maybe this was Eric's idea. But not how I would have done it.

Having run two indiegogo campaigns myself, I am aware that it is sometimes heated when things do not go as planned and people write in asking where there perks are such as I did now multiple times. I do not believe that anything I have said or done as a contributor could ever justify the treatment that I have experienced. I will not go further. I believe I have been thorough already in rejecting these untruths in the least psychotic manner that is available. What infuriates me most of all is that my comments have been deleted again, after calling this out. I want to say that this is - NFG.

(continued..)

7redorbs
07-12-2013, 02:05 AM
A lot can be told from a mans attitude. Calling your fellow man a sociopath, "psycho" or referencing Freud's work whilst referring to them in the 3rd person whilst speaking to the forum as if a performer with your audience is something of which belongs in a circus, it is at the very least to me patronishing as is the entire aetheric revolution. No academic or new age institution would welcome your threatening activity. Calling a war cry to attack someone because they do not agree with you belongs in a class room and not in a scientific or engineering rationale. To use effective metaphors, one must first understand their meaning.

It is my hope that Eric has not said the things that have been relayed to me as not only are these extremely upsetting and saddening but entirely inappropriate and were not necessary.

I was going to say nothing. However in light of some things that have been mentioned about how Eric may or may not potentially feel, I feel that the sin of my exposing a wrong outweighs the sin of allowing it to continue unfettered. And in light of the untruths that have been spoken about me, and the suppression of my truthful statements I have felt compelled to act.

Especially considering when we are dealing with a group of people which are against so-called "suppression" and are saying that "everyone is welcome". The truth is I did as much as Aaron, Techz, David or anyone, at least to the capacities and resources I had. I didn't want thanks. What I actually wanted was the $100 letter I paid for, and nothing else. We had given the $1100 freely. But I didn't even get the letter. Instead I got threatened by the campaign fundraiser "ray" "Mohammed" or techzombie, or whatever the other names he goes by. Apparently Eric has said stuff about me on video, and I am to learn that I should go away "or else". On a fairer level, having done an excessive amount of work, that others who received a letter from eric did not do. I felt a little bit deflated by the whole thing.

I infact I invite this so-called video footage of Eric Dollard slandering me that Techzombie speaks about to be aired, but suggest that continued activities such as this cannot go on much longer. I do not fear the threat of reprisal and I do not bow to it's threat either.

It was Nikola Tesla's birthday yesterday, I am sorry that it had to be with such distaste and discourteous exchange, but there was nothing good in this unlucky business for me to discuss, and so I found myself forced in talking of these unworldly things in regard to the unfortunate business of misgivings and so it was with the same regret that in dealing with such unlucky business I myself had to talk of resolving the same,


I firstly and lastly am least of all perfect among us, but I believe that tomorrow I will still have my self respect.

My sincerest apologies and deepest respect. If Eric still wants our money or to provide some sort of explanation for the way that I have been treated, I welcome it. I have no ill will towards Eric or the campaigners of this fundraiser at all, even if they do think I am a psychopath and my book is ****. I hereby reject that and challenge it, and must so forth apologies unreservedly for having to bring this to public attention.

To be honest I sacrificed too much of my life to be able to recognize such a hurtful and unnecessary comment, but nonetheless write in recognition of it for the last and kindest time. Most of all In hope that Eric Dollard himself will not end up damaged by such continued and unjustifiable remarks aimed at people. Success is not an impenetrable shield, it depends on your people.

And whilst Eric Dollard and every engineer hates politics and refuses to co-operate with the "paristic oscillations", it results in those paristic oscillations taking over the entire board, and the engineer ends up being governed by an inferior wave.

Plato, I believe said that the only existing problem with not participating in poltiics was that we would be governed by our inferiors. Here lies the concern of Tesla , Reich, and Dollard, and the singular obstruction to this work.

I am prepared to work together, I always was, but it seems many are not prepared to work with me. Or even preserve the truth of this historic occasion,

What a shame.



Best,
A

zinky
07-12-2013, 02:06 AM
Tom,

I vaguely remember that. It's ANONYMOUS and I'm not going to waste much time following up on anonymous requests.

I generally do not follow most of what was in Eric's threads because I don't have the technical background to follow it. So expecting me to know every little scuffle going on between members is not just unrealistic, it is downright ridiculous to assume I knew what you were talking about.

You know who I am and how to get in touch with me by email. I thought we had some cordial communications by email and I had a degree of respect for you and your past work. Why play games and send this when you could have emailed me. Perhaps Eric was right about you. Otherwise, why would you be playing these games now?

With the mountains of words you are willing to spew, with all their inherent illogic, and with all the bravado you claim in keeping track of everything, how could you overlook someone pointing out that false and defamatory information is being posted on your forum by one of the star posters? Any other forum supervisor would have jumped right to that, as such is not only against most forum rules, it is also a violation of law. How many anonymous names are there on here? What a joke of an excuse :rofl:

And so "Perhaps Eric was right about" me, so I'm assuming that you agree that I'm a thief and embezzler and married a demon? :eek: You are a Class A Chump Aaron, really, there is no getting around it at this point. I'm sure you can squeeze a few more pages of weasel words out trying to defend yourself, but all you are doing is painting yourself into a corner.

Funny how this all worked out. When I saw Eric was going to speak at your conference I smelled trouble right away, as I knew you would be putting him into your 'guerrilla marketing' format and would cause contention with those who have sacrificed to help Eric. I didn't care because it is not my issue, but I did see it coming. Of course none of any of this will be Eric's fault, he's like the pope, infallible :wall:

And I'm shocked that TechZombie raced motorcycles and chased women, jeez, what's this world coming to anyway??? :blowout:

zinky
07-12-2013, 02:12 AM
:clap: You send me that PM asking me to Ban Eric. You don't tell me who you are or what it is even about and you make no references to any posts. Look at your own message - you don't even put your name to it. Zinky? Who the hell is Zinky??? I was supposed to take that seriously? A new member with 1 or 2 posts at the time if even that requesting me to ban someone. I think you need to wake up look at it from someone else's perspective instead of just your own.

I already knew Ray had some issues but after hearing Eric explain quite a few things to me and witnessing what I've witnessed, he was right on about everything else that I wasn't able to verify at the time.

I knew of issues between Eric and you, but didn't know what to make of that because I had a lot of respect for you and didn't see you as being that way, but evidently Eric was right, which is very sad to learn. I was an admirer of your work and now I find myself disgusted with you.

Glad you're disgusted with me, getting to be a badge of honor around here lol. Aptly delineates the total lack of true intellectual capacity in your smarmy brain. Guess I'll be banned and you'll hide this, whatever dude, makes me laugh. As I said, thick skin is a virtue :cheers:

Aaron
07-12-2013, 02:53 AM
And I'm shocked that TechZombie raced motorcycles and chased women, jeez, what's this world coming to anyway??? :blowout:

You came here with accusations about me neglecting this and that as if I have some evil motive. You talk as if I was supposed to know what you're talking about and the message you use as proof that I "ignored" you was by a new member with 1-2 posts telling me to ban Eric. Go look at it yourself - no signature, no reference to any posts - just you telling me that Eric is insulting you about various things, you didn't tell me who you were, etc... Whatever reason you had for staying anonymous and neglecting to tell me who you were or what the posts were about looks fishy to me and I'm not going to waste my time. I'm not going to go read each and every post to go find what you are talking about. Anyone can flag any post and that saves time and directs the moderators directly to the posts in question.

THIS PARAGRAPH IS EDITED: I can't verify what Eric says about you, but I have enough information in my archives (just my notes of what people have said) to suggest one or two very shady things that you have done in the past that are completely out of integrity and I can and will make this as big of a deal with as much publicity as it needs to be to expose the fact that you are not as altruistic as you claim. You do genuinely try to help then when you get your panties in a bunch, you are completely willing to flush all decency down the drain just because you're mad. TO CLARIFY TO TOM BROWN - my reference to "starting to believe Eric" is that your motives are questionable in general because what you are pulling here with me. As far as embezzlement, being married to a demon, etc..., I don't know about the specifics of what anyone says but the gist of you having some integrity issues was just verified by you to me today.

Little do you know that this Techzombie is behind the group that actually sees you as their enemy since behind the scenes, you are responsible for being, allegedly, greatly responsible for screwing Eric in the past. You don't seem to have enough sense to realize that YOU are one of the people Techzombie would like to destroy for screwing with Eric in the past - and here you are completely oblivious to all reality as you stand by his side with your arm around him. People who I thought were so intelligent are showing signs that they are literally losing their flipping minds.

Yes, you are banned now as is Techzombie because I won't let you obscure the truth about Ray Savant or anything else going on. I have to get that interview with Eric up with as little distraction as possible.

Ray is not about racing motorcycles and chasing women Mr. Enlightened one. If you know how to read the English language, you can see that it has NOTHING to do with racing motorcycles and chasing women and if that is the level of your comprehension, then there are no words to describe you mental filtration process, which selectively lets you see what suits you in the moment while discarding the rest. You really have gone off the deep end as someone mentioned to me and I'm starting to believe it.

jimm
07-12-2013, 02:59 AM
Well, I came here to get a bead on the life and work of one Eric P. Dollard.
I got much more than I bargained for. Thank you all.

Really guys, the lot of you should go on Dr. Phil and tell this twisted tale.
If that doesn't help,maybe Jerry Springer?

I try to help homeless people in my area, so I know a little bit about the some of the psychology involved.
One thing that I don't do is throw a lot of money at a homeless person and expect that will solve all of his/her problems. In fact, it makes it worse.

I watched closely how Eric interacted with the interviewer on that recent vid.
I can tell that he must be terror to work with.
As long as he is the one doing the talking, he's great. When some interaction from another happens, he gets abrupt.
So, here you have a guy who has history of making poor life choices who wants to run the show.
Sorry, I don't buy the "I lost 7 labs because I'm always a victim" story.
( Dr. Phil ain't gonna like it either)

He's not a team player, that's for sure.
I'll bet he wants to do whatever comes to his mind on your nickel.
Like I said before, he a fascinating guy of a mercurial nature.
Good luck with that! :wall:

Now we have "adult" men bickering and hurling insults at each other like ten year olds on a psudo science forum and you wonder why your "research" gets no respect?
All of this he said/she said stuff is ridiculous to the point of being hilarious!
:rofl:
Keep it up, I'll go grab another beer and some popcorn.

Ps: Techzombie, Your OK,man,because you told it like it is at the lab, even if you do ride a pink pimp cycle. :eek:
I can only imagine the daily frustration!
You can lead a horse to water...etc, etc...

Aaron
07-12-2013, 03:12 AM
I see that a comment of mine has again disappeared from the indiegogo campaign comments page, for the Eric Dollard fundraiser again. Is this something ERic Dollard is doing? Or is somebody else pulling strings?

I am sorry to say that I have felt appalled since the very beginning of the "aetheric revolution". I wonder how Eric feels. I wonder.

I know for a fact that Eric has nothing to do with that. Ray Savant and David Webster are the only Indegogo campaign managers (according to a message from Webster before) for the campaign you are referring to.

It would be hard for me to believe that David would be erasing past history. Even when I asked David about Ray taking credit for the traffic that came from my promotions, David said that it would be Ray that could post something so Ray is the one who is most likely deleting things and trying to alter history.

Eric has not been represented the way Eric wants to be represented by all the aetheric revolution circus act.

Aaron
07-12-2013, 03:27 AM
I'll post the brief interview I had with Eric and you all can see it for yourself. The video interview was created on Saturday, July 6th. That is a few days AFTER I received the email from David and Ray's pathetic accusations.

Even AFTER those emails and AFTER my response to David, I am still portraying Webster and Polakowski in a good light because I am supportive of them... (until John P popped off at the mouth under the influence of Ray). I already understood that Webster emailed be based on a misunderstanding of what happened so I had no hard feelings against him. But Ray's verbal puss mouth was a different story but I still kept my cool. But you can see that despite the garbage from them by email, my intent was always to do whatever is in the best interest of the lab and Eric. I even promote the ericdollard.com and aetherforce.com website - and you can hear exactly what Eric has to say about that! :whistle:

It was AFTER this interview that a few more things developed that I had to publicly mention the nefarious elements.

Eric must have read that later on and decided to post that Martian comment.

As I predicted to be the first one to reveal himself as the nefarious element instead of saying nothing, Ray comes in scraping his knuckles on the ground spewing his vomit all over the place.

Anyway, please watch the video when it is posted. Once that is posted, I will take all the posts in this thread that transpired over the last several days and will move them to a new thread that will be locked and it will be preserved. That way, this thread will be cleaned up and anyone that actually is interested in Eric's work can work in peace.

Ray already showed what his agenda was in all of this - at least a part of it. To have the greatest forum in the world dedicated to Eric's work - but Eric wants nothing to do with Ray. As I said, Eric was given a demand to stop posting here way before any of this erupted and before Eric ever came up here to my home because Ray already had an agenda of "owning" Eric and his work. True story... and Ray just threw Eric under the bus a few posts ago regarding calling Eric out as being the one responsible for doing something "ridiculous".

Ray is too stupid to know that he just broke all the edification that he has built for Eric by referring to Eric as "Professor Dollard" in one small stupid post where he describes the double face palm. Crap for brains - there is no other word to describe what Ray Savant has between the ears.

Aaron
07-12-2013, 04:16 AM
This has all the posts from the recent arguments in the Eric Dollard thread. It will be kept for the record.

Aaron
07-12-2013, 07:01 PM
Since there are so many convoluted lies by Ray Savant and a handful of statements that nobody has heard from Eric, let me remind everyone that Eric DID post and stated that his organization was hi-jacked. And that was NOT me posting for him.

As a side note, my laboratory organization is being hi-jacked by Giant Negros From Mars, but I am trying to set it back on it's B.T. L. course. Wish Me Luck!

1. I make my post about "nefarious elements".
2. Eric posts about his organization being hi-jacked.
3. Ray spews a bunch of lies about me to make it look like I put Eric up to it.
4. A handful of people say they want to hear what Eric has to say.

Well, look at Eric's posts - that IS what he has to say. You heard directly from Eric and he said his organization has been hi-jacked. But instead of believing Eric, unfortunately, a handful of people are buying into the lies of Ray Savant, someone that Eric has wanted to stay away from Eric's organization for a long time.

I'll post my interview with Eric soon... will be a mp3 in video style. The original video is HD 4gb and will take some time to process so the mp3 is quicker. Hope to have it on youtube today.

Again, that interview was a few days AFTER the emails I received from Webster and Ray and I'm still willing to give credit to Webster and Polakowski and even promote the aether force website. That is because I have no reason to let their email garbage interfere with supporting Eric.

I have absolutely no reason to put Eric against his own organization. First of all, I'm not that kind of person and second of all, it accomplishes nothing. It actually is more beneficial to everyone, including myself, to have not just a relationship, but a strong supportive relationship with Eric's organization. It would be a win-win situation for everyone involved.

The primary reason for me mentioning the nefarious elements was because it had been determined that it needed to be made public. Ray Savant IS that primary nefarious element that surrounds Eric.

A primary function of those who are supporting any business, organization, etc... is to PROTECT THE BRAND - PROTECT THE BRAND - PROTECT THE BRAND. That doesn't mean Eric is a commercial product, it means that Eric's name needs to be protected and held in good light by every member of the organization. In that context, Eric Dollard IS EPD Labs and every one of them should be doing everything possible to do nothing but edify Eric Dollard in a good light no matter what. Eric is obvious a wild coyote who speaks his mind, but that is no excuse for Ray Savant to throw him under the bus. It is inexcusable.

I agree the thought of Eric climbing poles to installing horizontal supports and insulators so he can then hang wire makes me shake my head. What if he falls?

Farmhand obviously shows a concern for Eric's safety. He does NOT ask who came up with that idea. Maybe Farmhand did ask who came up with that idea and I may have missed it, but the point is that Ray is out of line and is a scumbag - look at what Ray has to say:

Whose ridiclous idea was that????? Great question....

IT WAS ERIC'S IDEA

We all did a double face palm on that one.... Try talking to him yourself..

David and I wanted to focus on getting the CIG done and getting it out to the world but.... Eric has MANY pet projects...

Seriously... you guys don't know the half of it. and now we have a sociopath wanting to further suck his blood after eating up 3 months.....

double face palm....:suprise: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

It served absolutely no purpose for Ray Savant to paint Eric as someone who is coming up with "ridiculous ideas". It wasn't asked who came up with that. Ray takes it upon himself to first suggest the question to everyone about who came up with that idea - and then to boldly, literally, exclaim that it was Eric's idea.

Really??? The self-proclaimed warrior of God fighting for the truth is such an altruistic human being that he has to contribute statements that completely disrespect and label Eric as coming up with stupid ideas? His pea brain is too small to comprehend the fact that anything coming from his mouth should only speak good about Eric to protect Eric and to protect the organization. Again, the question wasn't asked who came up with that idea and even if it had, it did NOT warrant an answer - ESPECIALLY from someone that is supposed to be such a strong altruistic supporter of Eric and a "member" of the organization.

Can you imagine what would happen with the Red Cross for example if one of the members was publicly disrespecting the the most important name of someone that is a member of the board? They would be crucified! But we see that Ray continues to blab his pathetic mouth and what is astounding is that Webster, Polakowski and even Wittekind endorse this kind of defamation by Ray, which is absolutely implied by their silence. They cannot play ignorant because you all know damn well, they're watching these posts with baited breath.

Then he goes on to graphically exclaim how ridiculous "we" think about Eric's "ridiculous ideas" - so he is also now outing the other members of the organization as having the mutual feeling that THEY also believe Eric's ideas are ridiculous -

"We all did a double face palm on that one...."

Ray is literally too stupid to know when to keep his mouth shut for Eric's benefit or the organization's benefit. And he just revealed one or more people in the organization as having the mutual feeling that they believe Eric's ideas are ridiculous. STUPID!

"Try talking to him yourself.."

And to continue disrespecting Eric with that statement showing that he claims Eric is unreasonable. It is irrelevant if it is true or not (I actually found Eric very reasonable the whole time he was up here - Ray just doesn't know how to communicate with Eric without prioritizing his own ego). Personally, I have nothing but compassion and empathy for Eric's situation. Not just for his past experiences with others but for the current hi-jacking of Eric's organization by Ray Savant.

How do you all think Eric feels about having his hands tied because his organization is held hostage by Ray Savant. That is literally what is happening and everyone there is deceived in believing that Ray is such a good guy. They are just drinking his kool aid but Ray has already shown his true colors multiple times with multiple slanders against Eric and in the videos Eric is talking about situations that are going against what he wants, which were situations that happened WAY BEFORE Eric ever came up here to my town.

Anyway, even if it is true that Eric is hard to deal with, it's irrelevant. Ray has no business, as an unofficial representative of Eric's own organization to speak about Eric in this manner. It is prima facie evidence that not only does Ray have a mental defect, he is obviously problematic to the organization and to Eric. Eric has an obvious issue with Ray as Eric was very explicit in his feeling about his organization being hi-jacked - That came straight from Eric (I had nothing to do with that post) so anyone who is delusional and is drinking Ray's kool aid needs to stop asking what Eric has to say about it!! It's COMMON SENSE.

"David and I wanted to focus on getting the CIG done and getting it out to the world but.... Eric has MANY pet projects..."

Then Ray goes on to show what him and David want done. The Cosmic Induction Generator. Since the building has been renovated, there is a next step that needs to be taken and Eric is very clear about what that is and it is not necessarily the CIG. That is Eric's business to state what that is, but it isn't necessarily what Ray wants to happen next.

Please understand that Ray is not on the board of directors and is not an official member of the organization. Eric doesn't want Ray involved in any of it. Ray simply inserted himself. I do not know if Wittekind and Ray have a prior relationship before all of this... hmmmm

Anyway, Ray has claimed he only does what the organization wants him to do. Put up a video, etc... but suddenly you see that not even being an official member and having no say-so and Eric doesn't want him involved - Ray is tell you all right here in this forum that he has WANTS for what needs to be done! :wall: What a joke!

Eric is very smart about practical matters of what needs to be done next in the project. You all have been led to believe he is incompetent in anything that doesn't involve electrical engineering. And from the video interview with Eric, it should be common sense to everyone from Eric's own words that things are being done in a way that he does NOT approve. Again, Ray Savant has his own agenda and it is contrary to what Eric wants done and Ray is overtly admitting that right here if anyone takes the time to see it for what it is.

And by stating Eric has MANY pet projects, which Eric does have a right to have his own pet projects, but Eric is also very clear about what needs to be righted with the organization for it to move forward and the priority is to eject Ray and that is not negotiable. But the mannerism in which Ray discusses Eric's pet projects continues to cast Eric in a bad light making it look like Eric is wishy washy with A.D.D. and can't focus on simply doing one thing. It doesn't take much intelligence to see that Ray should keep his trap shut and it takes even less intelligence for him to actually be willing to make these statements as a self-assumed representative of Eric's lab...defaming and making a mockery out of the very man who has an organization named after him! :suprise:

The Ray goes on to say: "Seriously... you guys don't know the half of it."

Not only is Ray so openly disrespectful to Eric, he does so multiple times and summarizes by making sure you all know what a problem Eric is (from Ray's own perspective and words). Ray just keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper.

But what that last statement actually reveals is this: the level of disrespect that Ray has for Eric has only been revealed in a small portion and under the tip of the iceberg of disrespect that Ray has for Eric, there is an invisible mountain lurking under the surface. :whistle:

Then Ray claims I'm a blood sucker and have wasted 3 months of everyone's time. Let me remind anyone that forgot to read that Eric DID say something about Ray and the organization - but instead, the primary troublemaker for Eric wants you to believe he is a saint and only does good for Eric, while doing a horrible job at covering up Eric's opinion by constantly bad-mouthing me. Ray can't make the truth go away - and you all ALREADY heard it directly from Eric:

As a side note, my laboratory organization is being hi-jacked by Giant Negros From Mars, but I am trying to set it back on it's B.T. L. course. Wish Me Luck!

Aaron
07-12-2013, 07:11 PM
David Wittekind got them for an source that chooses to be anon.

hint he is a dude that helped out Eric MANY times in the past... and also got burned hard.

Wow - :suprise:

Ray Savant doesn't know how to quit. Exclaiming to everyone that Eric is burning people. The reality of that statement is irrelevant to the point that Ray is in high gear to destroy Eric's reputation to make himself look good. And he is supposed to be helping to represent Eric's organization?

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPIDITY!

I see that this anonymous person is probably Tom Brown - so I see collusion behind the scene for Ray to get Tom to come here and cause trouble for me too. Now it is all making sense. Didn't seem quite right for Tom to act that way. Trying to call me out for ignoring his request to ban Eric when he never identified himself? Binky? Seriously? And for anyone paying attention, Tom's mention that I keep all my PM's. If you read what I wrote, I said I keep all PM's from Facebook... To the best of my knowledge, this forum is not Facebook. I delete posts here all the time because the box is limited in size. It appears that Ray's mental virus has infected Tom - most unfortunate.

Aaron
07-12-2013, 09:23 PM
One of our comrades was attacked and we rallied to his defense.

I have been called an infidel and a muslim terrorist thus far...

Who else but a sociopath accuses grown men of "popping off at the mouth" when having a rational discussion?

I wouldn't talk to children that way, yet this creature does so without guilt and then expects our sympathy. Classic sociopathic behavior.

I see clearly why nothing has ever come out of this forum and why nothing ever will.

Would you speak to me that way in person Aaron?

All this work is about to be thrown away because of one man's greed.

Aaron wishes he could have made this happen himself and create a real brand for Eric... but all Aaron can do is count beans and do seo hacks to sell more nofat pills and ass water.

Or will you jump in and defend her ?

JohnP, Garret and I all jumped in and we are still being assaulted.

My personal information was dropped all over this website..... ask yourself what kind of creature does this.

Then Eric announces he is taking a 3 month break.... to give a lecture at the conference.... (double face palm)

David was accused of "nefarious" acts and I was accused of misrepresenting Eric, so the videos stopped.

The plan Aaron has is simple. Sabotage EPD Labs, turn us all against each other and then claim he is saving it from us "messing up".

Eric never gave me permission to do anything, not post a video, not to make a fundraiser, write an article, make a website ... nothing. I did it anyway and it worked, we are here. And now we see an army of vulture here screaming and waiting to move in for the kill.

no movement can withstand betrayal from within.

Eric knows electricity and aetheric science.... he does not know how to handle people and often trusts the very worst ones. In any venture letting the wrong people in is the very worst mistake and Eric has let in the very worst.

So let me make it clear. I am not doing this for Eric or anyone else. I am doing this to get to the truth.

I can only do so much guys. I have a life. I cannot fight Eric's demons for him. Aaron is just a sad joke. All the key people leave here for another forum tomorrow and he is finished, just selling Ass water and optimizing his seo all day like a good little bean counter.

I choose to assert my will here. Those who choose to help. Please do join us.

More nauseous spew from Ray Savant's mouth...

Everyone can see the emails and Webster even admitted he should have sent the email and was out of line assuming he should be soliciting funds at the conference. Ray's "defense" of Webster was out of line because Webster was wrong himself to send me that letter. It shows that Ray is incapable of seeing things as they are instead of jumping the gun without knowing the facts.

I never called Ray a "muselim terrorist". Multiple sources told me that Ray is someone that changed his name to Muhamed and is on some personal holy war and Eric or Eric's work is some tool in all of this. There are many instances where Ray changes what I said because he is a snake tongued liar.

There has never been any rational discussion from Ray. He defended Webster's email as being polite, when even Webster admits he shouldn't have sent it because of its annoyed tone, etc... Eric PERSONALLY states his organization is hi-jacked and Ray starts to accuse me of brainwashing Eric. And all evidence posted thus far shows indisputably that Eric has had issues with his organization PRIOR to Eric ever meeting with me. Anyone with any self respect can see that this IS the sequence of events.

Sociopathic behavior??? Anyone is welcome to Read Ray Savant's description of his motorcycle - it isn't about racing bikes and chasing women... :whistle: Someone is a flipping loony toon.

Motorcycle Info Pages - Featured R1200GS's > Crazy Pink R1200GSA (http://www.motorcycleinfo.co.uk/index.cfm?fa=contentGeneric.pzbpzozgmajbxjom&pageId=295086)

"Of course 'The Toast' (me!) has been air brushed right onto it. IT is a masterful job"

That picture is pornographic so up to you if you want to see it, but that picture and the more clear avatar graphic below the photo of his windshield is 100% absolutely indicative of how Ray sees himself. This is the psychology that is lying right under the surface of his holier-than-thou claims about being for truth and justice, etc...

Has has demonstrated this destructive behavior here be retaliating against my post and what Eric said about his organization being hi-jacked by trying to dominate and control everyone's perspective of what is actually happening by lying about me manipulating Eric.

Here is a censored version of Ray's windshield, his bike and him in the picture so there is nobody that can claim that I'm just making this up - go look at that link!

http://energeticforum.com/images/raysavant/ray-savant-techzombie.png

That is who Wikkekind, Webster and Polakowski has chosen to align themselves with. READ Ray's own description of his bike and go search his name. There are people around the world that know him and look at the problems they all have with him. Eric doesn't want to associate with this kind of person.

Let's talk about sociopathic behavior...

Although the dominated female in the picture is a willful subject of the domination and is giving the world the middle finger because other people don't understand... the inherent desire underlying the fantasy of domination is to violate the rights of others. Ray has already admitted to others that he used to "beat up people for fun". Disrespecting other people's rights to their own freedoms, safety and security is sociopathic in nature.

Here is a definition of sociopathic behavior - basically a sociopath is synonymous with a psychopath or someone with antisocial behavior.

Definitions?

psy·cho·path (shttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/imacr.gifhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifkhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gif-phttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/abreve.gifthhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/lprime.gif)n. A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.

Beating up people for fun is pychopathic and so is the perverted domination of someone else.

Antisocial behavior disorder is: "a mental health condition in which a person has a long-term pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others. This behavior is often criminal."

So, the only one here exhibiting any form of sociopathic or psychopathic disorders is Ray Savant. He is a low-life lying thug who puts makes himself look normal when he has visited the lab pretending that all this violent life is all in the past - and what we see here is someone concocting stories out of the blue about me manipulating Eric just because it has been called to his face, publicly by Eric himself, that Ray hi-jacking his organization!!!

Ray has been called out and he is desperate to make it look like his is actually the good guy in all of this and if anyone has been manipulated or brainwashed is the manipulation of John P and Webster by Ray... and possibly Wittekind, unless there was some prior dark agenda that preceded Ray's self-insertion into the middle of Eric Dollard's life.

Aaron
07-12-2013, 09:24 PM
Another insight into Ray's psychology is here:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/feb/21/humes-slams-savant-canvas-tko/#axzz2YraZ67AI

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Before the opening bell of Saturday night’s MMA Xplosion Super Fight Night main event, Bryan Humes (6-0) knew his opponent was planning something devious.


“I could see it in his eyes that as soon as we touched, he wanted to hit me,” Humes said.


Ray Savant (0-1) was eager to start his professional MMA career with a bang, and threw a punch at Humes immediately after the fighters touched gloves to begin the bout.


“That’s an amateur move,” Humes said. “We always touch gloves to start the fight, it’s just a sign of respect.”


The heavyweight responded to the etiquette faux pas with a devastating right hook that sent Savant to the canvas and almost out of the ring completely.


“When I dropped him my eyes went big,” Humes said. “But he went through the ropes, so I couldn’t do anything about it.”


But there was no coming back for Savant, as Humes slammed him back to the canvas almost immediately after the knockdown. From there Humes transitioned to the mount where he rained down blows upon Savant’s head until referee Steve Mazzagatti stopped the fight 2:23 into round one.


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You can see the level of respect and honor he has for a respectful fight. After touching gloves, Ray throws a sucker punch. I'm have many friends
here that are high level martial artists who train MMA fighters, police, swat
team, etc... and that kind of sucker punch is not just something that
amateurs do - what it shows is the level of mentality that someone is
operating with. Touching gloves is like shaking hands and then they should
back up and then go to work... Ray sees himself as some comic book
hero samurai warrior, but the manner in which he demonstrates who is is
is that he has no respect for the fighting art and just wants to make a
name for himself.

We can see that here as well... he is trying to make a name for himself
while simultaneously slandering Eric Dollard, the very man who he claims to
be helping.

Anyway, plenty of good has come out of this forum over the years - you just have to filter out the noise like any other forum. Ray admits Energetic Forum is the BEST forum available and now when it suits his purpose, he bad mouths it. :rofl:

http://energeticforum.com/images/raysavant/energeticforum.png


He only posted that after I expressed my concern that he is misrepresenting where the traffic boom came from (my promotion, which he said was because it went viral). So, he begrudgingly gave me credit and says this forum is the best.

So, he is willing to say this despite the fact he ALREADY had plans to monopolize Eric's work and have control over all Eric's posts by trying to get Eric to only post on his website, which Eric does not approve of.

Then he bad mouths this forum here... first it is the best, now it is useless. What that shows is that there is no integrity in anything he does or say and is willing to say whatever is necessary to push his agenda based on whatever happens to be going on in the moment. There is an EXTREME amount of cognitive dissonance going on between his ears.

Poor Ray Savant - when I responded to David Webster's RUDE and CONDESCENDING email, you came back with a whole host of accusations and insults. You are a hypocrite... talk to you like that in person? And you just publicly threatened me with physical harm. You really are too stupid to know what you are doing. You are the one who instigated the accusations against me and all I have done is speak the truth and everyone here also heard it directly from Eric Dollard - as he said a mouthful in one sentence.

What David Wittekind chose to do with his own finances is his own business and because of the way everything has been described to me, I have no evidence that Wittekind actually has such an altruistic agenda at all. Maybe he does or maybe he doesn't but YOU are the primary problem that calls ALL OF IT into question. Wittekind apparently approves of these messages from you and John P and Webster because he remains silence while being fully informed that these conversations are happening here. He knows this is being communicated on behalf of EPD Labs - so what kind of clue does that gives us to his leadership?

I've always credited John P and Webster for their contributions - there is no doubt about that.

The "one man's greed" is YOUR greed. Your need to manipulate and dominate Eric's work for your own purposes. You are so selfish and greedy that you have disrespected Eric multiple times right here in the open but are too blind to know what you are doing.

I wish I could have made what happen? I never had a desire to be involved with the activities of EPD Labs. If what you say about me is true, I would have never promoted the Indegogo campaign to my network. The length of your memory is about as big as the diameter of your brain - very, very small.

Aaron
07-12-2013, 09:24 PM
It's completely hilarious how you badmouth the health products I'm involved in. Let's take a look at one of your websites that you made while you were in Venice California trying to make a name for yourself for health related products, etc...

The Best Greens for Detox, Weight Loss & Abs (http://rayshealth.com) goes to The Best Greens for Detox, Weight Loss & Abs (http://healthlevelup.com) and what is one of your posts?

The TITLE OF YOUR WEBSITE IS: "......Weight Loss......"

Ray Savant has since changed the title to even cover this up :rofl:
It is now: "
Health Level UP &#124; Health, Fitness &amp; Nutrition for Awakened Men"
http://energeticforum.com/images/raysavant/losefat.png

About losing fat with HGH. Yes, it is true HGH does that, but you say:

"but all Aaron can do is count beans and do seo hacks to sell more nofat pills and ass water."

HYPOCRITE - his blog is all about the same kind of things that he is making fun of me about and what is funny is that I don't even sell any diet pills, but Ray promotes quite a few ways to lose weight and burn fat! :rofl:

Ray is all about generating money...there are other sites he has if you look around. I understand he has to earn money somehow too, but criticizing me for actually doing business and earning money - he paints that as a bad thing, while he also is earning money online and of course, that must be good. Like I said, he talks with a forked tongue.

Your "defending" comments are stupid. David Webster attacked me without warrant and you defended the attacker. You are a moron. David even admits he was wrong about the email, but you persist with the charade that you have only done good! :suprise:

Garrett was NOT a part of jumping in on anything that happened before anything got posted in the forum. Again... David Webster attacked me without warrant and you defended the attacker. Please don't sprinkle any more fairy dust in people's eyes to make it look like this all suddenly sprang out of my forum post. Your attack of me by email lit the fuse, but it wasn't until I was informed of other things that determined it was time for you to be publicly outed.

I posted your identity public? Of course I did. Half the people working with Eric including Eric never even knew your last name - read that everyone - they never even knew who Ray really was. Just that someone named Muhamed was supposed to show up and start filming their work.

The organization is dysfunctional because of your involvement. Don't blame Eric for wanting to take a break to work on a presentation. He has expressed his disappointment in a video that has already been posted so stop lying to people with the intent to have people believe that the lack of progress is because of Eric's involvement with the conference.

Actually, I only said there were "nefarious elements" around Eric. You took it upon yourselves to bring yourself forward and I never mentioned Wittekind's name... you are crafting those words - that is not what I said. It is irrelevant what it "looks like"... unless I specifically spell it out, it can mean ANYTHING in the world until then.

The videos didn't just suddenly stop because I posted about "nefarious elements"... there was PLENTY OF TIME between the last video and a couple days ago. ;)

When Eric was at my home, he kept demanding that Ray post the video of the "GLOM" at the shop so people can see that the donations are going where they are supposed to go. The videos not being posted anymore is because Ray has been withholding them and have refused to post them. It is only after I passed on the messages to Ray thru FB - Ray finally wound up posting the video, with hesitation... WHY WOULD RAY HOLD OFF ON DOING THAT?

So, the truth is that Ray was resisting posting any videos all on his own and this was WAY BEFORE I ever posted anything about "nefarious elements"... Ray is a pathological liar.

People were writing Eric asking about the equipment and Eric had been requesting that this video be posted for a long time. It took my request directly to Ray for him to finally get it uploaded to a private link so that Eric could watch it and give his ok.

So if you all want to know why Ray "stopped" the videos - he was not in the process of getting them done to begin with and this "stopping" had already happened prior to Eric ever coming up here...which is WEEKS before my post here. So he is turning something that he is responsible for before I ever posted anything into my fault. :suprise:

Eric didn't give Ray permission to post a video? Oh really? He had been asking for quite a while to get the GLOM video posted so people could see what was going on. And you say you did it anyway - despite Eric not giving you permission... so doing things on your own without Eric's concent... Your statements are back and forth and sound like someone with a split personally disorder as well. There is a dogfight inside his head and he is confused.

Army of vultures? Getting boring... Now I'm an army all by myself.

"no movement can withstand betrayal from within." - EXACTLY! :thumbsup:

I crave control over aetherforce? A website that doesn't properly represent Eric and that Eric does not approve of? Why do I want to have anything to do with that? To introduce a headache into my life? Get real...

The only "professional" liar here is you. And you don't even do a good job at it. You outed yourself, defamed Eric publicly, defend Webster's email as being a polite email to me when Webster admits it was out of line, you attack me as manipulating Eric to go against you when there is plenty of witnesses and evidence that Eric has already experienced opposition to his wishes by YOU and possibly others at the lab, and Eric stated clearly his organization is being hi-jacked and you made up the lie that I'm manipulating Eric to go against you. You are a pathetic sad nut case.

Thanks for the Freudian slip - yes, the VERY WORST were let in to his organization - YOU - Eric already admitted it had been hi-jacked. YOU are the one that is the very worst one that was let in... as I am not "in" EPD Labs at all! :whistle:

"So let me make it clear. I am not doing this for Eric or anyone else. I am doing this to get to the truth. " As I stated before, it had been made known to me my multiple people that you have your own agenda. You admit it here with your slip. You contradict your own self with false logic - cognitive dissonance anyone??? Your "truth" is just that - YOURS and is subjective. To be a part of Eric's organization, things should be done FOR ERIC and NOT for what you think is best! :wall:

"I choose to assert my will here. Those who choose to help. Please do join us. " - EXACTLY my point... it is your will that you are asserting upon Eric and you have been outed - you are the one that Eric is talking about hi-jacking his organization. If anyone is stupid enough to buy your lies, then good riddance to them. Anyone that believes you over Eric is a traitor to Eric and stabs Eric in the back. And to say that Eric will follow you? He wants you to be out of his life... you should respect that and then crawl back under the rock that you came from.

garrettm4
07-12-2013, 10:37 PM
Keyboard-Warrior Aaron,

While I may have said my previous post was going being my last, this one will indeed be the final.

It's quite clear that you're becoming a bigger creep by the minute! Are you on a holy free-energy crusade to slay all who come before you? Who cares about TechZ's pink crotch rocket? Why is that even "evidence"? Do you really think attacking Tom Brown bolsters your cause? I'm aghast at the amount of energy and enthusiasm you have for this disturbing and unproductive hobby.

BTW, "smarmy" was a fitting additive describing your character. Thanks Tom, had to look it up, but got a good hearty laugh when I did!

In summary, I would like to say that I find you, your comments and your actions truly pathetic!

Now I should point out that the above comments were merely after thoughts of my real reason for posting:

I would sincerely and truly appreciate it if you would Just delete this whole cesspool of a thread (that you perversely continue to feed).

This thread is not something that makes you look like a hero, I can promise you that.

Do the right thing, and end this smarmy crusade... with the deletion of this thread and all the god forsaken contents held within. That will undoubtedly earn you a token of respect from all who have befallen upon this thread and its deplorable contents.

Sincerly,
Garrett M

P.S.

To everyone else,

If you agree with deleting this thread, please write below this post asking Aaron to do so. Or alternatively, send Aaron a PM.

Let's take out the garbage and dispose of this thread.

Farmhand
07-13-2013, 12:19 AM
Not replying to you Orion, just agreeing. Keep tending those chickens. :thumbsup:

I agree the thought of Eric climbing poles to installing horizontal supports and
insulators so he can then hang wire makes me shake my head. What if he falls ?

He should have help, I admire his work ethic and I realize he is a safe worker
but there should at least be someone else there to "offside" for him and just
be there for reasons safety ect. Freak accidents happen.

He may want to do things himself so he knows things are done how he wants
them. Every Tradesperson building something should have an observing
assistant though for assisting and safety. Even if he must give them training first, I think he deserves some help.

Cheers

This post has nothing whatsoever to do with Tech Zombie.

Why is it here ? I'm offended. Please send it back where it came from, because from where I'm sitting it looks like some kind of censorship.

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Aaron
07-13-2013, 04:32 AM
Keyboard-Warrior Aaron,

While I may have said my previous post was going being my last, this one will indeed be the final.

It's quite clear that you're becoming a bigger creep by the minute! Are you on a holy free-energy crusade to slay all who come before you? Who cares about TechZ's pink crotch rocket? Why is that even "evidence"? Do you really think attacking Tom Brown bolsters your cause? I'm aghast at the amount of energy and enthusiasm you have for this disturbing and unproductive hobby.

BTW, "smarmy" was a fitting additive describing your character. Thanks Tom, had to look it up, but got a good hearty laugh when I did!

In summary, I would like to say that I find you, your comments and your actions truly pathetic!

Now I should point out that the above comments were merely after thoughts of my real reason for posting:

I would sincerely and truly appreciate it if you would Just delete this whole cesspool of a thread (that you perversely continue to feed).

This thread is not something that makes you look like a hero, I can promise you that.

Do the right thing, and end this smarmy crusade... with the deletion of this thread and all the god forsaken contents held within. That will undoubtedly earn you a token of respect from all who have befallen upon this thread and its deplorable contents.

Sincerly,
Garrett M

P.S.

To everyone else,

If you agree with deleting this thread, please write below this post asking Aaron to do so. Or alternatively, send Aaron a PM.

Let's take out the garbage and dispose of this thread.

Thanks for outing yourself as an imbecile and someone who is obviously joining forces with trash. If you don't have enough sense to see the sequence of events and look at things for what they are - multiple concocted lies, completely ignoring what Eric has said - you are an imbecile with a double standard. It is fine for Ray to say what he says, but I'm somehow restricted from the same. You are a hypocrite.

Attacking Tom Brown? He came here instigating crap with me claiming I'm neglecting to moderate because he sent me some anonymous message from binky or zinky telling me to ban Eric for insulting him while not ever telling me who he was and without pointing out any specific posts. Again, double standard you hypocrite.

You're obviously willfully ignorant of the fact that most of my posts are in direct RESPONSE to each point by point piece of putrid garbage spewing from Ray's pathological lying mouth - then you are a lying hypocritical fool who is drinking Ray's kool aid. Go look at most of my messages - I actually address each and EVERY point made by Ray, John P and Webster.

Does Ray address anything specific that I have called him out on? No, he spews more worthless lies that you apparently are mentally incapable of seeing. Ray addresses nothing about what I say and only pukes more garbage and I'm calling him on each and every point.

There IS a difference between what I have posted and what Ray has posted. I haven't covered up anything by not answering specifics and spewing more trash - I actually respond to virtually every single item in each post in a very logical manner. For someone who is supposed to be fairly intelligent with technical matters in this forum, you are lacking any practical sense whatsoever when it comes to anything else.

I'm exposing a lowlife worthless piece of garbage aka Ray Savant. You are defending him and therefore are stabbing Eric in the back as he has already personally stated that his organization is being hi-jacked and who is doing it. You are a traitor and a backstabber to Eric.

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@All, here is what Ray is doing and it is in all the posts between him and Tom Brown and it is easily deduced with common sense, in my opinion.

Tom Brown is the obvious "anonymous" source of the video at the psychotronics association. Tom watches what Eric and his organization is doing and offers Ray the video to get it out - most likely through the Facebook posts and other references. If you look at Tom Browns FB wall and Ray's, it is pretty much common sense. Ray acts as if he has some mystery connection to getting information like this when it is Tom Brown who has a very incredible library that he has compiled over the years. Tom Brown is in that video by the way... yeah, really anonymous - what a surprise.

You see here that Ray is the self-appointed guardian of Eric and his organization and is willing to attack those that have screwed Eric in the past. Eric has openly stated his issues with Tom Brown about embezzlement, etc... I have no personal knowledge of any of that, but what you see is that to Eric's face and everyone else, Ray will tell you how he has Eric's back, while behind the scenes, he is colluding with "the enemy" so to speak.

Again, I can't verify the embezzlement claims, etc... but here you have Ray and Tom with their arms around each other in flagrante delicto attacking me, Ray claims to have Eric's back, which Tom has been accused of embezzling Eric's money. It is irrelevant whether Tom is innocent or guilty - what is relevant is that Ray has no loyalty to Eric or the organization and only has loyalty to his own self-serving purposes.

Eric has stated from the beginning of Webster's email and Ray's response to me that Eric finds it completely UNACCEPTABLE for any of them to act in this manner and no longer wants to do business with anyone that is a part of it.

This is all BEFORE I ever posted one single thing in this forum. Webster, Polakowski, Ray Savant and Wittekind all 4 have copies of that message from Eric, which I was requested to submit to them in regards to this email issue.

So what does Ray do? He conspires with Tom Brown to cause trouble for me by having Tom Brown come here and stir up trouble with his accusations and insinuations that I am neglecting to answer his concerns - with that anonymous message where he doesn't want to identify himself or the actual posts of interest.

So, it is no coincidence that that Tom Brown had that video, gave it to Ray Savant, this issue is going on and suddenly Tom Brown mysteriously shows up as Binky or Zinky to make accusations against me perfectly synchronized with Ray's attacks.

Obviously the above is my speculation but anyone that has any common sense to put 2 and 2 together to actually see what is going on, I believe it is more than obvious.

@ Garrett, you have bought what Ray has said hook, line and sinker. You are drunk on his kool aid and are going into diabetic shock.

And for your information, my inbox is full of support from many members for what I'm doing because finally, there is someone with some kind of network with enough voice that can stick up for and back Eric, which he never had before. I will stand my ground and will continue to support Eric no matter what you think of me - you will not deter me from doing what is right - exposing Ray for the worthless lowlife liar that he is who is intent on owning Eric and his work for his own "truth" - and not for the benefit of Eric.

Aaron
07-13-2013, 04:39 AM
This post has nothing whatsoever to do with Tech Zombie.

Why is it here ? I'm offended. Please send it back where it came from, because from where I'm sitting it looks like some kind of censorship.

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Offended? Censorship? Grow up.

I moved a lot of posts and any post that is not supposed to be moved, I moved by accident. Your drama about it is unwelcome. If you want to join the traitors against Eric go ahead. But if you simply want your post moved back to the Eric Dollard thread, all you have to do is ask. I'm not going to put up with with this dramatic censorship garbage when if it was to be censored it would be DELETED not out in the open for the whole world to read. :wall:

Shanjaq
07-13-2013, 07:23 AM
hay guise, fight much?
Worlds Best Fight Scene - Epic Hilarious Movie Action - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIe06TAGaZM)


srsly, forget the drama & immaturity, all it's doing is distracting you from the WORK you should be doing! STOP SLACKING OFF :mad:

Farmhand
07-14-2013, 01:36 AM
Offended? Censorship? Grow up.

I moved a lot of posts and any post that is not supposed to be moved, I
moved by accident. Your drama about it is unwelcome. If you want to join the
traitors against Eric go ahead. But if you simply want your post moved back
to the Eric Dollard thread, all you have to do is ask. I'm not going to put up
with with this dramatic censorship garbage when if it was to be censored it
would be DELETED not out in the open for the whole world to read. :wall:


Well if moved by accident then I apologize for the censorship comment and
request it to be moved back to where I posted it. I don't see anything in that
post that goes against Eric. I do understand how that could be done by
accident. See I don't mind to apologize if I make a mistake which is human.
This is how things get out of hand, My post was moved to a thread for people
causing problems, I was speaking in Erics favor, even though I may not like his
style fair is fair. So if you can't see why I would be upset and maybe claim I
was censored from the thread I posted in then so be it. No skin off my nose.

Isn't a traitor someone who is first in company with or aligned with the said
person then uses that relationship to undermine the person. I've never been
aligned with Eric so it is impossible for me to be a traitor in that respect.

I've received nothing but abuse form Eric, but still the common sense of him
doing that work alone is missing, regardless of my feeling for Eric.

Given the lack of moderator responses to the filthy abuse directed at me, I
can only assume there is bias against me. the evidence points to that.

Eric himself engaged in abuses and accusing me of filthy acts which is against
the forum rules. The abuses were not even removed. Go figure.

No one apologized to me. I wouldn't accept it anyway considering the
depravity of the abuses directed to me. It's your house Aaron.

So if we are talking of morals and decency where were those things when I
was being abused and complaining to the moderators about it, others
complained as well about the abuse directed at me so I'm told. And I an told
to grow up. You allowed people to accuse me of sexual acts with animals and
left the abuses on the forum. How is that right ?

As you can see this is not the first time I feel that I have been unfairly treated.

Cheers

Aaron
07-14-2013, 09:15 PM
Farmhand,

Do you or do you not want your post to be moved back to the Eric Dollard thread or not? You neglected to tell me which post # is it.

Aaron
07-14-2013, 09:19 PM
Tom Brown's email to me and my response:

On 7/11/2013 8:40 PM, Thomas J. Brown wrote:"I can't verify what Eric says about you, but I have enough information in my archives to show one or two very shady things that you have done in the past that are completely out of integrity and I can and will make this as big of a deal with as much publicity as it needs to be to expose the fact that you are not as altruistic as you claim."

OK, Aaron Murikami let's see it!!! Show me one shady thing I did in my past or be called out publicly (again) as a liar. You are a cowardly little piece of **** who manipulates words and bans people who would expose you if they could respond. You don't have the courage or integrity to allow me to respond directly where you have made false and libelous accusations.

I sacrificed much over the years to help a lot of people, not just Eric, and if it wasn't for my efforts and putting up with a lot of childish crap from him 25 years ago you probably never would have heard of him. I have nothing to hide like you do. And I certainly never told the whole story of all the problems Eric caused because of my great respect for his vision. But I'm seeing the same scenario playing out again.

This whole mess is already backfiring on you. Soon Eric will be blaming things on you, just goes with the territory. Your 'holier than thou' attitude has made a joke of your forum. You are just greedy, I gave all my work away for free and will continue to do so.

So now, what's shady in my past that you have in your archives? Put up or shut up you petty tyrant!!!

PS. This will definitely be posted in public places you can't stop. There's a hefty BCC list of folks whom I'm sure would love to hear your answer to this.Tom,

http://www.energeticforum.com/235003-post88.html (that is the post in question)

You can see what I edited a few days ago (obviously before you send me this email here). You can see the date that I edited it is at the bottom of that post - it records the time and date anytime a post is edited.

I clarified what I mean by believing Eric about you... nothing to do with embezzlement, marrying a demon, etc...

You came to my forum and started to talk garbage about me neglecting to moderate Eric's statements about you. Your proof that I am somehow doing something wrong is a screenshot of a private message by you from your anonymous user name and you didn't even sign the post to tell me who you were and you did not reference any posts. Every post has an icon you can click to report any post. That is what everyone does to flag the post for the moderators. When I get an ANONYMOUS private message, which is exactly what you sent me telling me I should ban Eric, I ignore it. I'm not going to waste my time digging through hundreds of posts on behalf of someone who can't even tell me who they are...which is exactly what you did. If you can't understand that and you call me out as neglecting to moderate adding to the arguments, then the only conclusion that I could come to is that you are simply a trouble maker.

Had you had the decency to actually explain what post numbers you are referring to and had the decency to actually tell me who you were, I would have looked into it. I get too many anonymous messages declaring all kinds of garbage all the time and I'm not going to respond to or waste my time with any of it.

You are the instigator in this particular matter against me and your own proof of you contacting me in the past only proves that you refused to tell me who you were. That seems pretty shady and cowardly to me to try to get me to ban someone and you don't even have the guts to tell me who you were. Only a chump would do that - to use your own words.

And you comment about me having every single PM further proves that you are incapable of distinguishing the fine details of what is actually the case, because if you go back and look at what I posted, I said I have every FACEBOOK PM and the last time I checked, my forum is called Energetic Forum...and that is completely different from Facebook.

BCC this to anyone you want - they can go look in the forum to see that everything I said above is the truth.

Aaron

Aaron
07-14-2013, 09:47 PM
This is an interview of Eric Dollard by me on July 6th, 2013 a few days after the Bedini-Lindemann 2013 Conference.

Eric Dollard Interview July 6, 2013 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Okzs4-mDg)

That was a few days BEFORE I posted the Trials and Tribulations post and you can see that despite the email from Webster and Ray's mouth that I was still in full support of Webster and Polakowski and even wanted to promote the Aether Force website. What did Eric say about Aether Force?

I wanted to post the HD video interview but it was 4gb and it wouldn't process so that is the audio with pictures of relevance.

Yesterday, I interviewed Eric Dollard again and this is being prepared for release. You might want to be sitting or actually even lying down when you hear this one - a little Zofran might be helpful. I'm serious.

Anyway, anyone interested in what Eric's personal take is on all of the recent happenings needs to hear this other interview that took place early yesterday morning.

Aaron
07-14-2013, 10:17 PM
Now that Eric's interview is posted without too much noise going on, Ray Savant and Tom Brown are able to post here directly.

Ray is welcome to post more lies about me and Tom is welcome to blow anything out of proportion that he wants.

Very soon, a button will be pushed regarding Ray's delusions of grandeur and it will be known as the flush that will be heard around the world.

Aaron
07-14-2013, 11:25 PM
An insider informant told me today why Ray Savant is hell-bent on damaging
my reputation and trying to destroy my business. Ray keeps lying about me
being money hungry, lying about me wanting to control Eric's material, etc...

Well, what I was told and I verified it was true is that the whole
Key Chests website that Ray had been promoting the Lone Pine Writing
is actually owned by none other than Ray Savant!!! :whistle:

Not only is it for making digital content available, it was Ray's attempt to
copy my business model and he even tried to create an affiliate program.

Ray's business is "Leets Trading Company", whatever that is supposed to be
and that is what is behind the Key Chests website. So while he is attacking
me for my business model, he is trying to destroy my reputation and has
actually copied my business model with the intent of capturing that
business for himself.

The hypocrisy is nauseating. What a forked-tongue snake.

By the way, Ray Savant is illegally selling that book the Lone Pine Writings
right now as he has been told to cease and desist from any further activity.
It is not being used in the manner in which Eric has authorized and it needs
to stop now.

jdodson
07-15-2013, 01:35 AM
It seems all of this animosity towards each other came from the root of all evil....money

A great inventor cant just build without a lab, without tools and equipment. All of which costs money and it seems when Eric gets donations some people want the funds to go toward that, while at the same time i'm sure Eric has bills of his own to pay.

Now everyone is concerned where the money is going. Does one person want the money for the lab rent or to put it in their own pockets. Now everyone is concerned about loyalty. Do these people really want to help Eric or just help themselves?

People who help maintain the lab have bills to pay as well, how do they make an income? Online businesses is one solution. You know what they say Aaron, imitation is the greatest form of flattery. They must think you are successful at what your doing if they are following the same venture.

While angry everyone tends to use insulting words and tones, I've regretted doing so myself many times in life.
I dont think being insulting shows someones true colors, I just think it shows they either need to calm down or dont have a real argument, or maybe both.

I really dont know anyone in this thread, it just seems so sad to me, that it appears money has turned all of you against each other. Its amazing how money alone gives everyone a different agenda and can tear apart relationships. Why do none of you trust each other? It seems none of you really know what the other persons agenda is. Which is why it seems everyone is so concerned over who is controlling what Eric is doing.

From an outside view, I see a bunch of good people who apparently spent years helping Eric who are now turning on each other thanks to the almighty dollar. Its just sad.

The world will be such a better place when money isn't around giving everyone hidden agenda's.
(just my $0.02)

jimm
07-15-2013, 04:41 AM
It seems all of this animosity towards each other came from the root of all evil....money

A great inventor cant just build without a lab, without tools and equipment. All of which costs money and it seems when Eric gets donations some people want the funds to go toward that, while at the same time i'm sure Eric has bills of his own to pay.

Now everyone is concerned where the money is going. Does one person want the money for the lab rent or to put it in their own pockets. Now everyone is concerned about loyalty. Do these people really want to help Eric or just help themselves?

People who help maintain the lab have bills to pay as well, how do they make an income? Online businesses is one solution. You know what they say Aaron, imitation is the greatest form of flattery. They must think you are successful at what your doing if they are following the same venture.

While angry everyone tends to use insulting words and tones, I've regretted doing so myself many times in life.
I dont think being insulting shows someones true colors, I just think it shows they either need to calm down or dont have a real argument, or maybe both.

I really dont know anyone in this thread, it just seems so sad to me, that it appears money has turned all of you against each other. Its amazing how money alone gives everyone a different agenda and can tear apart relationships. Why do none of you trust each other? It seems none of you really know what the other persons agenda is. Which is why it seems everyone is so concerned over who is controlling what Eric is doing.

From an outside view, I see a bunch of good people who apparently spent years helping Eric who are now turning on each other thanks to the almighty dollar. Its just sad.

The world will be such a better place when money isn't around giving everyone hidden agenda's.
(just my $0.02)

Most of all, Eric needs to learn how to help Eric. That way he would have more control of the situation. However, when you let everyone else foot the bill, there will always be expectations from those who are paying the expenses. It's like having someone staying at your house but won't help when you ask. Had he more focus, he wouldn't find himself in this predicament. There has to be a reason that a person loses 7 labs!

Also, Eric is not an inventor, you might say theoretician, researcher, historian and lecturer, overall interesting guy, but not an inventor. He has replicated many devices, but he did not invent them.
He has no patents of record to my knowledge.

I agree totally about the disappointing childish behavior. The whole thing is an unfortunate mess.

Aaron
07-15-2013, 08:12 AM
It seems all of this animosity towards each other came from the root of all evil....money

A great inventor cant just build without a lab, without tools and equipment. All of which costs money and it seems when Eric gets donations some people want the funds to go toward that, while at the same time i'm sure Eric has bills of his own to pay.

Now everyone is concerned where the money is going. Does one person want the money for the lab rent or to put it in their own pockets. Now everyone is concerned about loyalty. Do these people really want to help Eric or just help themselves?

People who help maintain the lab have bills to pay as well, how do they make an income? Online businesses is one solution. You know what they say Aaron, imitation is the greatest form of flattery. They must think you are successful at what your doing if they are following the same venture.

While angry everyone tends to use insulting words and tones, I've regretted doing so myself many times in life.
I dont think being insulting shows someones true colors, I just think it shows they either need to calm down or dont have a real argument, or maybe both.

I really dont know anyone in this thread, it just seems so sad to me, that it appears money has turned all of you against each other. Its amazing how money alone gives everyone a different agenda and can tear apart relationships. Why do none of you trust each other? It seems none of you really know what the other persons agenda is. Which is why it seems everyone is so concerned over who is controlling what Eric is doing.

From an outside view, I see a bunch of good people who apparently spent years helping Eric who are now turning on each other thanks to the almighty dollar. Its just sad.

The world will be such a better place when money isn't around giving everyone hidden agenda's.
(just my $0.02)

The animosity towards each other is not rooted in money from my side. I received a very disrespectful letter about something, which was made up in their minds and I called them on it. Then I get accused of brainwashing Eric and I'm all about money. I don't see how that could be missed. Money isn't the root of evil at all and never has been. That is propaganda to keep people from the truth. The root of evil is fear created by the carnal reasoning mind of mankind creating the judgment for ourselves that we are alone and separate from each other and more importantly God - that is why we are said to become naked and ashamed when we eat off of the tree of knowledge - that simply means we judge something taking it from its intrinsic reality that something is what it is and then we label it, which transforms it from it's inherent reality into something we made up. I'm not going to preach, but if you bring up the root of evil, that is what it is.

Their animosity was rooted in an illusion created by the carnal reasoning mind that took the inherent reality (that I was simply helping Eric get some donations) and it was turned into a story that they created that I was sabotaging their fund raising efforts.

What I did was defend myself against their attacks and faulty logic that they accused me of doing something, which they themselves were actually guilty of.

I haven't demanded money for anything. I helped get $x into Eric's hands and half was taken away by them at the end of the conference. They are attempting to sabotage every one of my efforts to help Eric, but it isn't working. They are only revealing their own motives, which are all self-serving and have nothing to do with helping Eric.

There are two separate accounts - a personal one for Eric and one for the lab donations. They asked for my help in the past to raise funds for the lab and I was happy to do it. This conference was between Eric and I and any income from that was to go to Eric's personal account. Them taking any of it away from Eric is completely inappropriate and they need to step off.

All I can show is that any of my relations with Eric has been contributory in nature so my actions should be judged by what I have done and not what liars and thieves claim about me. I'm not saying you're accusing me of anything, but there are a handful of people that will read what you wrote and will apply it to me. So there is no mistake, that is why I am addressing you as if you are referring to me.

Maintaining a lab obviously takes money. However, when "angel funding" is promised to Eric - that means that finances are taken care of without strings attached. If there is something attached, then it is no longer "angel funds" so to speak and is really an investment or is to be considered venture capital. And if that is what it turns out to be, well, the whole world is a witness to something very dark.

Again, money didn't turn me against anyone. Being attacked and accused of being a liar and brainwasher put me on the defense. Despite those original attacks, you should listen to that interview that I did with Eric BEFORE anything was brought to this thread but still AFTER the email issues happened, I was still trying to support and promote the aether force website. Despite the lies and myths about me, I normally let those petty things go, but when I found out that this wasn't some petty attack, but was the appearance of a full-blown take-over of Eric's organization, I had to speak up for what is right.

Make sure it is perfectly clear that I have no part in controlling anything that Eric does. My involvement is very, very simple. He is a guest speaker at my conference and I will be publishing his presentation and book and possibly other materials. It doesn't get any more complicated than that. On top of the business relationship, I had the opportunity to get to know him better on a personal level and I'm thankful for that. He is a legend in this field and I'm honored to have been able to have him stay at my home.

Please understand that first of all, I don't have to explain anything to anyone. I'm just doing this as a courtesy to some of the long term members of this forum. Besides helping Eric with some finances (with zero strings attached) and thousands of pounds of very rare equipment worth many thousands of dollars (with zero strings attached), etc...

I come to find during all of this about other things that are going on that can turn someone's stomach and that is why I am speaking out publicly and have given Ray Savant, primarily, the opportunity to publicly reveal himself for who he really is. Someone that actually is and has been trying to control Eric and his work and take exclusive control over everything he does for a profit. Ray accuses me of all of this, yet I'm the only one who actually has not just evidence but proof to back everything I have said and he has zero evidence that I am doing anything he claims.

Yes, arguing does show someone's true colors. Why? Because when Ray posts outright concocted lies out of thin air about me, which I can and will prove that he is a pathological liar, his true colors are revealed while my colors have never changed.

So, please do not put me on equal ground with them as being in some equal fight because that simply is not even close to the reality. I am standing up for Eric and am telling the truth and Ray Savant is a pathological liar who has been screwing up Eric's life since the first day Ray ever came to Eric's shop.

What everyone wants to hear is what Eric himself has to say about all of this. Ray Savant has been trying to cause me as much damage as possible before that can happen, but it is already done and Ray has already been exposed before I even posted about the Trials and Tribulations of a Coyote in my Home. In time, everyone will see what I mean and it is coming soon - very soon...

Aaron
07-15-2013, 08:15 AM
Most of all, Eric needs to learn how to help Eric. That way he would have more control of the situation. However, when you let everyone else foot the bill, there will always be expectations from those who are paying the expenses. It's like having someone staying at your house but won't help when you ask. Had he more focus, he wouldn't find himself in this predicament. There has to be a reason that a person loses 7 labs!

Also, Eric is not an inventor, you might say theoretician, researcher, historian and lecturer, overall interesting guy, but not an inventor. He has replicated many devices, but he did not invent them.
He has no patents of record to my knowledge.

I agree totally about the disappointing childish behavior. The whole thing is an unfortunate mess.

Well, you are full of conclusions about things that you assume without actually knowing all the facts.

Eric is very focused on what needs to be done. It is just that when swine come into the picture to assert their will on Eric, problems occur. What else is to be expected?

I don't believe you know enough about Eric, his life or his work to know whether he is an inventor or not.

7redorbs
07-15-2013, 12:39 PM
Just got this.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachments/renewable-energy/13483d1373891859-ray-savant-muhamed-techzombie-exposed-p1010783.jpg

I decided that I wouldn't be cashing in this $100 cheque I just got from David Webster at EPD Labs. I believed it was important that Eric got the money I had sent. After all ray and david already refunded the $1000 donation from my partner as well. So why add another $100 to the subtraction, really? No.




This author has almost reached the end of his patience with this ridiculous testament. It goes something like this. Adam Bull asks where his perk/$100 letter from eric is. Adam Bull's Question vanishes from indiegogo campaign comments page. Adam Bull re-posts his question. Vanishes again. Question appears unwelcome. Adam Bull posts question privately instead so nobody on the campaign can see. Adam bull gives ample time , some month awaiting some message or email confirming where my perk is or why I didn't or will not be receiving it. Adam Bull receive no explanation. (Please David Webster, or Ray if you would like to add an explanation maybe you could do it here?). I have nothing to hide. Adam Bull Wonders if indiegogo campaign raisers are in fact checking their mail. Adam Bull wonders if indiegogo campaign raisers could be checking their mail whilst deleting and ignoring my comments. At first i doubted whether such levels had been reached. So, Adam bull a week or so ago from this date decides to not give up , and repost his question each time it gets deleted, adam bull simply wants to know if he will get his letter from eric, and if he isnt getting it, why. That was the limit that I set as the minimum expectation. This minimum expectation of mine apparently makes me a harassment to the campaign. Very well!

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachments/renewable-energy/13486d1373917989-ray-savant-muhamed-techzombie-exposed-p1010788.jpg


I should in any case direct David Webster notwithstanding to the writings that I have made openly and honestly discussing the treatment that I had received from said parties.

I have dedicated a significant amount of time to writing here the turn of events that I have experienced not just so that yourself can see my term of events, and the context in which they exist, but can also defend myself as I have in fact been threatened by a said person with being "ruined".

That I believe justifies a reasonable tenacity in ensuring that my written statements are both jusifyable and correct. As I had suggested some months ago had certain persons heeded my advise, it would have resulted in people making statements that were not incorrect or unjustified, and could have saved the entire thing altogether.

This, solely upsetting to me, rather than hurtful. Tears I shed are for others.

All this in aid of fact and description, not for the purpose or intent of mallice or revenge, or out of some sense of my being a nomadic warrior against a suppressor, but in fact out of the deep sense and respect for truth, and justice that any scientist, philosopher or engineer engaged in work should attempt in attitude.

I will attempt to re-itterate and summarise my position.

1. I was an important part of the indiegogo webteam
2. I never received my perk.
3. My partner had her $1000 contribution refunded. To her horror.
4.. I have been threatened with being "ruined" by a campaign organiser.
5. I have been called a "psychopath", by written text on the indiegogo campaign by "ray"
6. All of this so far because I asked about why my comments about the indiegogo perk I had not received were being deleted.
7. MY response on this thread at EF.
8. Letter from David Webster you see attached.
9. This response on this thread at EF.

Final remarks:

I am sorry and everyone who has helped Eric including David Webster and Ray have my respect, I do not believe in fighting battles. Only in adequate and justifiable defense. I believe that constitutes the fair manner of self defense as has been outlayed by myself here, and some of the grievous attacks directed at me are more reflective of said person that the accusations that I stand accused. The only reason why I must publicly respond is that it is morally and logically flawed to consider that one is harassing your campaign when simultaneously you are threatening and libeling the party in question.

A good tip for any "nefarious element" would be to ensure that before accusing the other parties of harassment , that you were not yourself actively engaged in a far greater harassment on that person (that person being me), and having stood me accused of harassing you. I must now publicly challenge it. In any case a professional ought to know that slander is no way to respond to harassment. Indeed, if you have the interests of Dollard at heart as I have always claimed, maybe you could have put your personal feelings aside.

If someone is attacking you. You attack them. That seems to be the philosophy that is being adopted.

Indeed the writings that have been written here by me, as aforementioned are as complete and truthful as the extent I can allow. It does not include all of it, but it includes enough to demonstrate what I wish to satisfy and that is the representative truth of my personal interaction with this group. As well as to satisfy a response to the gross accusations of my harassing this campaign.

I unfortunately must declare (although hesitantly and without further action) that it is I who has received a gross harassing, it is I who has received the defamatory and threatening remarks suggesting I will be "ruined", which constitute a gross violation of my rights as a person and as a contributor on the indiegogo campaign! And a gross violation of professional conduct, not to say simple common sense.

When you run a campaign fundraiser you cannot act so fast. Everybody understands that sometimes things get heated. I believe things can go quite a lot further than that, and I believe they may already have done, and for that there is no excuse. It is not professional conduct.

What it is I am saying is one cannot be taken seriously in such cases. By amateur authors and electrical researchers alike, it is a difficult situation.

So I now declare the letter from David Webster is patently misrepresentative of the truth. As I have suggested it is I who has been wronged most grossly and seriously, to far greater extreme than "Harassment".

I was "Adam Bull: Adam wrote a Book featuring the work of Eric and has been a key person on the web team, referring many people and much money to the fundraiser." You say it on your website here. Eric Dollard is Going Viral… Bankers not pleased (http://aetherforce.com/eric-dollard-is-going-viral-bankers-not-pleased/)


But now I am a harassing influence that is out to get you. NO! I want to know where my letter from eric is that I paid for. I know you already ousted me and are ignoring me, and providing no explanation. You have so far called me a psycho and my book ****, and threatened to ruin my reputation, but ultimately I was really hoping for contact with Eric and to see what I could do with my book publisher to help. I already tried once, twice 3 times.

I am open in my work and what I do and write prolifically, but for 3 or 4 years before that I was engaged in Eric's work, which very much "saved me", and so I will continue to be open and honest in what it is I am doing, and I will continue to expect the same high standards I place on myself from other people. As will I continue attempting to support Eric Dollard regardless of the negative element that has been directed at my persons.

My only regret is that I have to post about it at all.

I believe you should not be so quick to forget what others have done to help. I am not concerned for this hardship in primary sense, but how the campaign conduct reflects on the work that the organisation is doing, right now this very thing is reflecting on a large audience of people. That is to say I am only and always have been solely concerned with the benefit of the campaign, as, it is in Eric's interests for it to succeed. Those who still wish to do that can do so by supporting ERIC, and HIS campaign.

EPD Labs has sent me this letter (letter) received today 15th July 2013, without a date or signature (the envelope is however stamped 9th July 2013, origin CHATTANOOGA ),

I know it has already been said, but I am forced to re-itterate for clarity, should anyone wish to respond, it has been suggested that I am "harassing" the Eric Dollard campaign. Indeed for some months now I have felt as if I am being harassed for helping this campaign. I do not understand why they refunded my partners $1000, that was supposed to be Eric's money. It was donated for Eric. Why are the campaigners refunding money? I was merely told that I was "not co-operating", but I have absolutely no idea what sort of rhetoric they are talking about. I have suspected for quite some time that something is not right, and "Eric" may not be the "Driver". In the possibility that this is so, then may I be forgiven for expanding this dilemma any further.

Otherwise I wish the organisers and campaigners very many successes, and I emplore them to think about approach, rather than just the work, as a lot can be discerned about the work from a persons attitude.

My partner is truly & deeply offended and no longer wanted to support Eric at all after the way she was treated. It is true, and it is wrong to alienate people that have made this campaign a success.

Unlike my partner I was unwilling to make sweeping assumptions that Eric Dollard himself was behind the treatment, and I have said to my partner that she needs to be patient and find out who is doing what, as I am yet to know or hear any of Eric's comments directly. In any case I believe it one thing to note that a campaigner such as myself, running 2 indiegogo campaigns of my own, would not accuse paying contributors supporting my work of harassment for asking about their perks, nor would I threaten them with "ruining" their reputation. I certainly would not threaten them with slander or libel. I believe it is important to separate such professional things from personal feelings or, or otherwise both work and persons can suffer great detriment.

I have never threatened the reputation of Eric Dollard campaign or any of it's members, but I suggest that I have instead been threatened.

It is worse to get a stern and short letter, from David Webster accusing me of doing something that has been done by his organisation to myself.

Might I add that I do not consider it "harassment" to inquire whether I would be receiving the letter from eric,, having given a great deal of help to your campaign and contributed a significant amount of time and effort to Eric Dollard and your campaign, I expected no less than average treatment. Instead I have found a special place reserved for me in the threats which I have received. And I do not even deserve an explanation! Why Ray? Why David? Because I am a non co-operator! Yes, that's right! I am not co-operating, with these 1984 organizers. Simple lessons in self respect are required, or adjustment to David Websters sense of naivety is significantly required, as either myself or indicated persons are not being entirely honest with the truth. May the people and the testament of time be the judge. Why, why is this question we must ask, as that is what motivates any conscious thing that can walk , talk, stand or run.

May I leave everyone concerned with a small and fictional tale of a WORM, a beast, and the unknown.


That's not fair", the little worm said.
"Nobody is looking", said the beast.

"That is what you think", and the beast was suddenly gobbled up whole.

THE END.



Best,
A

jimm
07-15-2013, 02:17 PM
Well, you are full of conclusions about things that you assume without actually knowing all the facts.

Eric is very focused on what needs to be done. It is just that when swine come into the picture to assert their will on Eric, problems occur. What else is to be expected?

I don't believe you know enough about Eric, his life or his work to know whether he is an inventor or not.

Does anyone know all of the facts? I have reached some conclusions based on interviews that Eric has done and the recent brawl that ensued here.

This whole thing did start about money, as in who controls it and what it is used for.
You have a business deal with E.D. that makes some money for you and him. Your detractors should not begrudge you the 40% because there are expenses associated with book selling and you need to eat too.

On the other hand, the EPD is NOT a business or official non profit of any form that I can determine. It's all pure donations. people like to donate to things that feel are important or at very least interesting. As near as I can tell, they are trying to roll out the CIG as a glitzy project to show for fund raising which is badly needed. Eric is not cooperating in his own fund raising effort!!
He need to understand that without some promotion, there will be no lab.
String wires in the desert may be what Eric wants to do, but it's not as "sexy" as a machine, which can be taken to different venues.
The primary people appear to be very poor at promotion because it hasn't even occurred to them to put up an official website. All they have is the Energetic forum (to which there have been no posts from Eric lately) and techzombie's site/youtubes. He is the closest thing to webmaster/promotion person that they have.
It's interesting, then, that Techzombie is the focus of your ire.
His site may be something that Eric/EPD labs don't necessarily endorse, but they let it evolve this way.

Also, putting people's personal address on here probably isn't a good idea.
I find it shocking that these refunds are coming from personal accounts rather than some corporate or escrow account. All of those folks are treading on thin ice! :eek:
They need a business manager and they need one NOW or this will be lost lab number 8. :wall:
Eric needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Even Tesla had more business sense!
A very sad situation all the way around.

Aaron
07-15-2013, 06:10 PM
Does anyone know all of the facts? I have reached some conclusions based on interviews that Eric has done and the recent brawl that ensued here.

This whole thing did start about money, as in who controls it and what it is used for.
You have a business deal with E.D. that makes some money for you and him. Your detractors should not begrudge you the 40% because there are expenses associated with book selling and you need to eat too.

On the other hand, the EPD is NOT a business or official non profit of any form that I can determine. It's all pure donations. people like to donate to things that feel are important or at very least interesting. As near as I can tell, they are trying to roll out the CIG as a glitzy project to show for fund raising which is badly needed. Eric is not cooperating in his own fund raising effort!!
He need to understand that without some promotion, there will be no lab.
String wires in the desert may be what Eric wants to do, but it's not as "sexy" as a machine, which can be taken to different venues.
The primary people appear to be very poor at promotion because it hasn't even occurred to them to put up an official website. All they have is the Energetic forum (to which there have been no posts from Eric lately) and techzombie's site/youtubes. He is the closest thing to webmaster/promotion person that they have.
It's interesting, then, that Techzombie is the focus of your ire.
His site may be something that Eric/EPD labs don't necessarily endorse, but they let it evolve this way.

Also, putting people's personal address on here probably isn't a good idea.
I find it shocking that these refunds are coming from personal accounts rather than some corporate or escrow account. All of those folks are treading on thin ice! :eek:
They need a business manager and they need one NOW or this will be lost lab number 8. :wall:
Eric needs to wake up and smell the coffee. Even Tesla had more business sense!
A very sad situation all the way around.

There is one more interview with Eric that nobody has heard yet.

It's not 40%, it is barely 20%. There are royalties on top of the 60% referral commissions and the merchant service and affiliate system fees. But none of that has anything to do with their attack on me about raising funds for their organization. And if it does, it just shows they are threatened by me and my work, when in fact, I could have been one of their greatest supporters. I still can be a supporter as long as the right people are involved with Eric's organization.

EPD Labs appears to be an actual 501C3, which is a charitable non-profit and all donations are tax deductible. Of course you have to donate enough to beat the standard deductions for it to even matter, but still, it does have an official structure registered with the state that they incorporated in. I know for a fact they have a Federal EIN #, so that shows me it is official on record.

Glitzy projects are not needed to raise funds. That is an illusion and a myth that amateurs believe is necessary. The next round(s) of funding need to be applied to very simple and non-glitzy things like actually getting 3 phase power wired to the building, etc... those are priorities for anyone that wants to build an organization and lab without needing to hype things up - not a demonstration of a CIG.

I think what you need to understand is that you really have no place stating what Eric needs or not. Eric wants his organization set straight with people that he wants to work with and Ray is not one of those people. It is beyond me why you cannot understand that simple fact. Why would someone want to do a bunch of things when someone is in the mix that is deemed a threat, etc... I would be demanding the same thing. That is a priority of the highest order. Unless the organization is functional, it will be an effort in futility to continue on any projects. Fix the organization by booting out people who aren't welcome and put people in that are.

The lab's website exists and was created because Ray Savant's websites were unwelcome. It will be revealed at the right time.

You are really full of assumptions - that is common around here.

And this... "String wires in the desert may be what Eric wants to do, but it's not as "sexy" as a machine, which can be taken to different venues." You don't even know what the purpose of the lab is and your own perspective is based on how it has been misrepresented by Ray. Another reason several of the members wants Ray completely out of the picture.

jimm
07-15-2013, 07:00 PM
The lab's website exists and was created because Ray Savant's websites were unwelcome. It will be revealed at the right time.

You are really full of assumptions - that is common around here.

And this... "String wires in the desert may be what Eric wants to do, but it's not as "sexy" as a machine, which can be taken to different venues." You don't even know what the purpose of the lab is and your own perspective is based on how it has been misrepresented by Ray. Another reason several of the members wants Ray completely out of the picture.

Yup, I don't have any idea what they are trying to accomplish at the lab.
So far, from where I sit, it looks like a poorly managed colossal waste of time and money. Rather than be part of the solution, Eric seems like he is part of the problem by doing projects that they can't afford. In fact he appeared aloof from the lab woes.
Now that's a real problem for an outfit that lives or dies by donations, isn't it?

You insinuate that you know what Eric wants to create/accomplish ,but never actually say what it is.

Everything is held close to vest by the members of the secret Eric Dollard club and I don't have a "secret decoder ring"...or is mine in the mail?
I only know what see and read..and alot of THAT is suspect.
It's a like a circus with free admission. So far I'm entertained , but the show is getting a bit long at this point.

OK, next question. In who's name is the Dollard website going to be registered? Are you referring to fourquadranttheory.com or another one?

Geometric_Algebra
07-15-2013, 07:00 PM
Also, putting people's personal address on here probably isn't a good idea.

Or the zip code, or the routing numbers, or the authorized signature. Scary.

Farmhand
07-15-2013, 10:54 PM
What will the cosmic induction generator do ?

What will the wires strung up in the desert do ?

What is the plan ? What will be demonstrated that will show a departure from
current practices is logical ?

I think everyone should with hold further donations until a plan is put forward
so that people can understand what might come from the money they donate.

I thought Eric stated there is no "free energy fusebox" I seen the post before
it was removed.

Time and time again things are touted as being some great advancement over current tech, but no C.O.P. over 1 is shown.

Will energy be collected from the environment or will energy be synthesized
from other things ?

What will come of all this.

The Cosmic induction generator, is it anything more than a plasma generator
of some kind ?

Will the wires supported on the poles form an antenna or elevated terminal of
some kind ?

Considering the way Eric denounced Peter, John and Aaron I never expected
Eric and Aaron to team up. Has Eric suddenly changed his mind about them ?

Not seeing much that is making sense.

Cheers

jimm
07-16-2013, 02:51 AM
I have noticed no posts from Eric here or else where on this site since all of this animosity occurred.

You are right, none of it makes any sense.
The next almost predicable story will be " I was just about to change the world, but I lost the lab #8 ...it's all gone..."

It has piqued my curiosity so, after searching a bit (it isn't easy to find) I located the site that is apparently associated with David Wittekind. He's the guy who put up his house and maxed his cards for the EPD debacle.

His is the only name that I could find anywhere on the site and only on the "donate page" where he is listed as president.
Donate | EPD Laboratories, Inc. (http://epdlaboratories.org/?page_id=36)
The whois search has the registrant and admin names hidden.

It was just a drop and go quickie wordpress site with no SEO.

There is no mention of Dollard, or any other principle involved.
Whats' really strange is the Youtube video prominently displayed on the homepage that has nothing to with the lab itself! WTF?

Take a look, it's no wonder that they are dire straits.
The overall impression that I got is that this is where you want to donate if you are wearing a tinfoil hat. jeesh!

Aaron
07-17-2013, 03:52 AM
Hi everyone,

You all have wanted to hear from Eric Dollard personally so you can hear what he has to say about Ray Savant "Muhamed" Tech Zombie.

Here it is...
Eric Dollard Interview EXPOSING RAY SAVANT "Techzombie" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5V-aHcR5Ts) - if you have a youtube account, please login and LIKE the video to show your support of Eric!

After you hear this, if you still believe Ray Savant's allegations about me or anything else he says, please kindly excuse yourself from this forum.

If you support Eric Dollard and want to show your support, Boycott every single thing that Ray Savant is involved in and post your support for Eric here. That way, Eric knows that you care about him and his work and that you want to see things set right for his non-profit organization and lab.

Farmhand
07-17-2013, 07:58 AM
So Eric is upset that I posted that I thought he should not have to climb the poles huh.

Well I'm entitled to my opinion and I am a trained tradesman that has been
taught workplace health and safety, if he climbs poles and other people are
there it's fine, but if he does it alone was my only concern.

He needn't bother think that I am trying to undermine his efforts. I posted out
of pure logic and concern, he can take it however he likes though because it's
a free world he can do as he pleases.

I posted a fair comment after watching the interview from the conference.

It's not my fault Techzombie replied to me.

If Eric doesn't like people giving their opinion he should stay off the public
forums. Or ignore it.

I did nothing but showed concern and ask some questions. I have zero to feel bad about.

You should have had someone buy up the domain names as soon as possible.

I could make a webpage with any unused domain name if I wish. As far as I can tell.

Some of us have years of experience in structural steel erections, as trained
tradesmen.

If Eric thinks i am a keyboard Jockey he is sadly mistaken and making an invalid assumption.

Obviously all the denouncing Eric did of the (certain groups of people) meant nothing as he is now in league with them.

I think this requires clearing up of the matter.

Which of the people Eric previously denounced are now ok ?

We need to hear from Eric who he is aligned with and who he see's as ok now.

So Ray Savant is out who is still in ? Aaron,Peter,John,David, is David still ok ?

The Navy is still in Eric's good books I think.

People are donating money but do they really know what for and what Eric stands for ?

I folks are gonna donate they have a right to expect to know what will come
of it or what the intended overall outcome will be.

I'll donate money to anyone for food and shelter but I don't donate for people
to do experiments. If Eric's food and shelter needs are met he needs no
money from me. I think all of us would like a big Lab and field to work in but
most of us only want it if we can pay for it, the owner will always have the say.

If Eric is still fit and healthy he ought to be able to earn his own money.

Personally I have a serious neck problem where i have had two discs removed
from my neck four years ago and the fusion didn't take I have screws in my
neck that my body sees as foreign objects and suffer incredible pain everyday
while waiting to be fixed I've been waiting four yeas now since the problem
arose after the operation, before that I had two completely collapsed discs in
my neck for over 15 years and held down boilermaking jobs while having two
ruptured discs in my neck. Eric is fit and healthy he needs no help from me.
No one should feel sorry for me, life is tough. Many others suffer a similar fate.

He should go and earn some money and be the master of his own fate.

Good luck Eric.

Aaron
07-17-2013, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron http://www.energeticforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/14219-ray-savant-muhamed-techzombie-exposed-4.html#post234767)
Ray is the instigator here and John P has been promised something that is due to him in the future and this is why he is backing this - from what I can gather.

I have no idea what you are talking about here, but I would like to know!


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Originally Posted by Aaron http://www.energeticforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/14219-ray-savant-muhamed-techzombie-exposed-4.html#post234767)
Ray and John P are LIARS and they are LYING to everyone here about who I am or what I'm doing.

What am I lying about that you keep referencing? Is that what you do when you can't refute facts? Call someone a liar to mitigate their argument? Its a pretty serious charge to call someone a liar in my book. So if your going to continue to do it you better back it up with some facts.

Because everyone here is reading it and reading your responses. And I would rather not stay on a forum where the moderator publicly accuses someone on a forum of being a liar and then refuses to state what it is they are lying about. There are a lot of key people here who would rather take their knowledge somewhere else if you're going to continue to throw insults.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

The above is John Polakowski's post.

Ok John Polakowski....

It is more than clear that:

1. Accusing me of manipulating Eric was a lie. You said it was just your opinion, yet it still was a claim by YOU, it had no basis in reality and you simply went along with what Ray Savant was saying and you didn't even bother to find out what the facts are. You slandered me wrongly and you need to take responsibility for this.

2. What I am talking about? I know for a fact that you are now fully aware of the fact, especially because of the interview I had with Eric, that the goal has been to kick Eric out of his own organization with the belief that you were to be the replacement who would do the work that Eric was supposed to do. That is why I said you have been promised something or perhaps you were not aware of it and left it at that. So, as a person of my word who told you that I will let you know what this was about, there it is!

Your response to this post will determine what kind of integrity and character you are operating with - you have one opportunity to show everyone here. I hope you do the right thing because I know what kind of opportunity that you still may have available to you.

brusers
07-17-2013, 08:25 AM
I was trying to avoid this thread, just because I thought this was going to be another pissing contest that would eventually add up to nothing and blow over. But after listening to the latest interview with Eric, it seems that it's taken on a pretty serious tone. So I thought I would jump on here to show some support.

@Eric, I hope the best for your situation, really, this is unfortunate. I really hope there comes a ligitimate avenue of assistance that will pull you out of this. I know I speak for a silent majority when I say your addition to the Energetic Forum has been truley priceless, and I hope it, as well as your personal studies, can continue. I'm not currently able to help out financially or physically. Just finished with 6 months unemployment and a nasty divorce, leaving me stuck in Finland.. but possibly in a short time it may become possible. If there is anything else I can do to help, please don't hesitate to ask.

@Aaron, Quite a crossfire you got yourself into there, keep your head up. (or down I guess, in a crossfire?). I'm not sure of your future communications with Eric concerning this matter or other relations, but if there is anything I can do to help you, please don't hesitate to ask.

Br,

Marcel

Aaron
07-17-2013, 08:26 AM
I have been contacted by multiple people that all say they have been insulted, attacked or harassed by Ray Savant - they just didn't know who he was and referred to him as "Tech Zombie". I will release details as I can - I have to have their permission first to do so and there are suggestions of a joint law-suit against Ray Savant, which I am more than happy to support. More to come...

Aaron
07-17-2013, 08:33 AM
I was trying to avoid this thread, just because I thought this was going to be another pissing contest that would eventually add up to nothing and blow over. But after listening to the latest interview with Eric, it seems that it's taken on a pretty serious tone. So I thought I would jump on here to show some support.

@Eric, I hope the best for your situation, really, this is unfortunate. I really hope there comes a ligitimate avenue of assistance that will pull you out of this. I know I speak for a silent majority when I say your addition to the Energetic Forum has been truley priceless, and I hope it, as well as your personal studies, can continue. I'm not currently able to help out financially or physically. Just finished with 6 months unemployment and a nasty divorce, leaving me stuck in Finland.. but possibly in a short time it may become possible. If there is anything else I can do to help, please don't hesitate to ask.

@Aaron, Quite a crossfire you got yourself into there, keep your head up. (or down I guess, in a crossfire?). I'm not sure of your future communications with Eric concerning this matter or other relations, but if there is anything I can do to help you, please don't hesitate to ask.

Br,

Marcel

Thank you for your support Marcel!

Eric doesn't have to evacuate or have anything taken from him - and that may be the first time this is the case. We all actually can help make that a reality for him. The organization simply needs to put the right people on the board of directors to set things straight and to eject Ray Savant out of the picture because he is nothing but a menace.

Once that is done, money can be raised to install 3-phase power into the building and they can move to the next step. When all that foundational stuff is completed, it will be able to sustain itself without donations and Eric can share the CIG and other things, but the practical end of it has to be completed first.

You can see from past posts that Ray inserts his will in a very unwelcome way that he wants to get the CIG done. Well, that is putting the horse before the cart and there is no sense in that. Eric is actually the one with the practical sense, contrary to how they want to paint him, and Eric needs the 3-phase power installed a few other things to fulfill the organization's role in the municipality that it is in.

That is what will generate the funds to sustain the lab and then Eric will be setup in a way both financially, etc... so that he can bring all the other important, fun and profound work out to the public.

brusers
07-17-2013, 08:57 AM
Thank you for your support Marcel!

Eric doesn't have to evacuate or have anything taken from him - and that may be the first time this is the case. We all actually can help make that a reality for him. The organization simply needs to put the right people on the board of directors to set things straight and to eject Ray Savant out of the picture because he is nothing but a menace.

Once that is done, money can be raised to install 3-phase power into the building and they can move to the next step. When all that foundational stuff is completed, it will be able to sustain itself without donations and Eric can share the CIG and other things, but the practical end of it has to be completed first.

You can see from past posts that Ray inserts his will in a very unwelcome way that he wants to get the CIG done. Well, that is putting the horse before the cart and there is no sense in that. Eric is actually the one with the practical sense, contrary to how they want to paint him, and Eric needs the 3-phase power installed a few other things to fulfill the organization's role in the municipality that it is in.

That is what will generate the funds to sustain the lab and then Eric will be setup in a way both financially, etc... so that he can bring all the other important, fun and profound work out to the public.

Well, thats good to hear. Sounds like there is a decent amount of hope for the man. And yes, from the interview it sounds like this Ray is an interesting fellow. I'll leave it at that..

Thanks for the interview post, and thanks again for helping Eric out. I will keep my eyes out for when it's time for the 3-phase.

Marcel

jimm
07-17-2013, 01:56 PM
I have been contacted by multiple people that all say they have been insulted, attacked or harassed by Ray Savant - they just didn't know who he was and referred to him as "Tech Zombie". I will release details as I can - I have to have their permission first to do so and there are suggestions of a joint law-suit against Ray Savant, which I am more than happy to support. More to come...

In the real world, when people are being harassed or threatened, they can get an order of protection from the perpetrator.
In this case it sounds like there are people involved who do not agree with Eric's assessment. However, if he has a right to be at the lab(which sounds like that is in question at this time) he has a right to live and work in peace.

The interview does back up what you are saying Aaron, but Eric was mentioning that there were "rouge elements" who were aligned with TZ.
Wouldn't it have been better if he just stated who he still wanted to work with? Accentuate the POSITIVE, rather than dwell on the negative.

Also, since everything with the lab project has been so sloppily done, Eric, EPD or you are going to have to legally compel Mr Savant to stop redirecting Ericdollard.com to Aetherforce as well as to stop using his image on the site.

Why is the official EPD (EDPlaboratories.org) such a mess? Is there anyone in charge of it?
The interview with Eric left me more confused about who controls what that I was before.
Why not just spell it out? Who is in, who is out, who owns what and how Eric fits into this puzzle.

TZ did a good job of getting Eric on the internet. Why didn't his "core people" do that in the first place? If he was such a malevolent force, why wasn't TZ shown the door, rather than gaining support from some of the members?
Are they jihadists too?

Eric says he really doesn't really want public donations and would be OK with going back to the bush. If he stays on this path without being decisive, he will get his wish.

So many questions, so few answers, but at least we know for sure that he doesn't want to be associated with TZ. Thanks for letting us hear that from the "horses mouth".

If Eric has a municipal project going on, then he should be able to get funded to finish it. What is that all about?...another mystery...

Sputins
07-17-2013, 02:17 PM
Hi everyone,

You all have wanted to hear from Eric Dollard personally so you can hear what he has to say about Ray Savant "Muhamed" Tech Zombie.

Here it is...
Eric Dollard Interview EXPOSING RAY SAVANT "Techzombie" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5V-aHcR5Ts) - if you have a youtube account, please login and LIKE the video to show your support of Eric!

After you hear this, if you still believe Ray Savant's allegations about me or anything else he says, please kindly excuse yourself from this forum.

If you support Eric Dollard and want to show your support, Boycott every single thing that Ray Savant is involved in and post your support for Eric here. That way, Eric knows that you care about him and his work and that you want to see things set right for his non-profit organization and lab.

@Aaron

Thank you for the recent video / audio recording from Eric.

It certainly makes it clear that Eric does not want Ray Savant (Techzombie) to be involved with himself or EPD Labs anymore, period. - I have much more to say on this topic and situation which is written and will be fourth coming.

I truly hope the relationship with yourself, Dave Webster & John Polakowski can be repaired and you can all move forward.

@40:38 - What does Eric mean exactly by the building being lost and no where to put equipment or is that what could potentially happen? What is the situation?

Eric Paul Dollard - He cannot be replaced by anyone. He is one of a kind, we all know this. As I have stated before, Eric has my full support.

As with the devil, Ray Savant (TechZombie) and his works are renounced.

Sputins.

Aether
07-17-2013, 04:08 PM
I didn't want to comment on this until I heard from Eric, thanks for posting that video and making things clear. I hope the guys who jumped the gun on judgment upon Eric and Aaron have it within themselves to see this and admit they were wrong. I hope Eric get's it sorted out. I was pretty supportive of TechZombie when he first started posting because of the fact that he helped raised support for Eric, but the thing that always turned me off and raised a few red flags was the fact that he opened up a Facebook account under Eric's name and started posting on it, and still does, giving some people the impression that it is actually Eric posting. I'd encourage anyone who has facebook to post that video on TechZombies "Eric Dollard" page.

Geometric_Algebra
07-17-2013, 04:44 PM
Aaron, thanks for the video/audio update which clarifies Eric's position on the zombie and your relationship to Eric.

Eric, please continue to submit updates here once in awhile so we know what resources/donations you need.

Aaron
07-17-2013, 05:53 PM
Eric was mentioning that there were "rouge elements" who were aligned with TZ.
Wouldn't it have been better if he just stated who he still wanted to work with?

Who is in, who is out, who owns what and how Eric fits into this puzzle

Some people that Eric does want to work with will remain anonymous at this time.

John Polakowski has given an indication that he is on Eric Dollard's side.

For anyone else - I'm not sure yet.

David Wittekind does have an investment in the building, transmitter, etc... so all that has to be considered but Eric's wishes have to be considered as well.

Wittekind has remained eerily silent on this matter and to me, the silence implies consent to the communications by Ray, Webster and Polakowski. If he condones such behavior against me by them, then, that would make me suspicious. If Wittekind has been a victim in all of this as Eric is, then that's really unfortunate.

I would hope to see an official statement by Wittekind that he denounces Ray. Eric's desires are very clear to Wittekind about who Eric wants on the board of directors and who he doesn't. All that will be done between all of them.

Aaron
07-17-2013, 06:23 PM
I have much more to say on this topic and situation which is written and will be fourth coming.

I truly hope the relationship with yourself, Dave Webster & John Polakowski can be repaired and you can all move forward.

@40:38 - What does Eric mean exactly by the building being lost and no where to put equipment or is that what could potentially happen? What is the situation?

Eric Paul Dollard - He cannot be replaced by anyone. He is one of a kind, we all know this. As I have stated before, Eric has my full support.

As with the devil, Ray Savant (TechZombie) and his works are renounced.

Sputins.

Thank you Sputins.

Looking forward to what you have to say.

I hope certain relationships can be repaired as well. That could start with a public apology.

The building and equipment at the lab appear to be fine. Eric is just voicing his disappointment with everything going on. Depending on how things go, yes, it could be all at risk potentially if Eric is restricted from having his desires for the organization respected.

Aaron
07-17-2013, 06:25 PM
Eric requested that the donations paypal account be closed so please do not donate anything else to that account.

You can mail donations to Eric in Lone Pine. At some point there will be a new paypal account and that will be announced.

Eric apologizes for not responding to his letters because he is busy finishing his book and dealing with the recent distress. He will get to them as soon as he can. Thank you for your patience.

He expresses much appreciation for the donations he gets by mail.

Farmhand
07-17-2013, 08:00 PM
While Myself and dR Green were collaborating in the thread I made, I was told
by one of Eric's "then" associates that he didn't really think I was doing
anything wrong himself, however he claimed Eric was pressuring him to
denounce me as a disinfo agent and so forth. I think I can find the PM's, I
usually keep the good ones.

Then I was told by another of his "then" associates that he didn't agree with
Eric's abuses of me, but kind of implied it would be good to just ignore the
abuse so "we can get as much as we can out of him" was close to the rhetoric.

I'm withholding names for now, If Eric was behind it he will know their names,
if he wasn't he should be able to deduce who it was. The two are in the
debacle now. Mr TechZombie was not one of them as far as I can tell, unless
he used a different handle starting with J or D.

If Eric was actually behind my abuses or not I can't say but I feel he was
pressuring and manipulating others to persecute me for some silly reason.
I just wanted to experiment and Eric ruined my thread because he thinks he
knows all and no one else can learn anything their way, he thinks everyone
must follow his work and idea's. I study Tesla Not Dollard. I admit I have read
some of his work but I don't understand much.

Didn't stop me from building a nice coil though and a decent supply circuit.

I used his crystal radio circuit and it works very well, but I can change it and
it still works. It even works without being connected to ground, just a small
dodgy Tesla coil on the bench connected to the detector circuit, to get the
signal without the ground requires different tuning but that I think is because
the ground connection actually changes the resonating frequency of the
oscillator.

If people wrong others knowingly their own internal karma will get them in the
end, unless a psychopath that is, karma has no effect on psychopaths.

No one likes to be abused or treated unfairly, some people are above
apologies, to their own detriment.

I feel as though once again I am being misrepresented or misunderstood. Not
to worry, it's common and I can get past it and do my own thing. :)

Cheers

P.S. Just one thing I would like to know is who first contacted Eric so that he found out about my thread and came to abuse me about it ?

Just tell me that Eric. Did you discover it all by yourself or were you informed of it.

..

Aaron
07-18-2013, 04:01 AM
@Everyone - thank you for your support and encouragement in all of this. It has been very trying for many of us, but it has not been in vain. I talked to Eric a little bit ago and he also thanks everyone for their support in this. There have been some discussions with a few individuals that are key to the operation and things will be moving forward as intended. It's unfortunate this interview was necessary, but it worked and the mission has been refocused and will move forward! Thank you all!

There will be a few bumpy roads to navigate from here, but nevertheless, Eric is very encouraged by all of this and without the influence of the nefarious element in question, many of them are breathing a sign of relief!

Sputins
07-19-2013, 12:44 AM
Thank you Sputins.

Looking forward to what you have to say.



I wrote a fair deal of stuff on this topic, titled ‘Nemesis waves’. Much of it was just my feelings on all that has transpired recently. However with the recent audio recording from Eric which explains a lot and given that I don’t really know or am privy to what else is happening or said behind the scenes. - It’s not my direct business - plus I think it’s better to not add further fuel to the fire.

So my hope is that EPD Laboratories sorts out who is on the executive committee, who’s not and what their plans and projects are for the future. Of course there are Eric’s business deals with the EGF and EPD Labs promotions and business deals if they wish to pursue that too. Eric, EPD Labs & EGF could all work together similar to how Bedini's Lab operates.

This whole deal has had its causalities, Techzombie of course being one of them. If he had handled himself better / differently he still may have had a fairly decent “auxiliary” outlet for Eric’s material. But it seems he wanted the ‘exclusive rights’ to it and now that bridge is burnt to ash. Too bad for him & I hope he has the decency not to cause further trouble.

There are other casualties too, Tom Brown – While I know Eric still has certain issues with him. In general (except for that so called posting where he calls for T-rex to be banned) Tom has been rather helpful to the overall cause since the re-emergence of Eric on the forum. (Maybe he is attempting to make amends for past transgressions caused to Eric)? - Now he has a caused an issue with Aaron and took sides with the zombie. - Anyway the situation is unfortunate and sad, at least from my point of view.

Further casualties are a few long time and important contributors to this forum (Garret & Raui for example). Once this is all resolved, I would plead for them to return! As they are first class contributors and we need them here alongside Eric.

As for the current situation concerning Dave Webster and John Polakowski - this is still unknown to the readers of the forum, but it my hope that any negativity has been neutralised and forward progress can now happen. (Perhaps we could hear from them)?

As for the projects concerning EPD Labs, there is the CIG which is one project we know of (I am working away at this too, with my 100 Watt CW Tube transmitter, nearly finished).

The other Project Eric is talking about with the climbing of poles, while it isn’t said directly as yet my guess would be that it is some kind of Alexanderson Antenna arrangement. Anyone who has followed Eric’s thread would guess that.

Enough for now.
Sputins.

minertom
07-19-2013, 08:44 PM
"Ray took control of the book and started to sell it and is giving the money to someone he hired to film Eric - ALL WITHOUT ERIC'S PERMISSION. "

WRONG!! I was there at the lab when the filming took place. Techz, whom I am neither attacking nor defending, asked my son in law to do some filming of the lab being refurbished. I knew that there would not be payment so I gave my son in law $250 just so that there would be no expenses out of his own pocket. I met the principles, everyone involved. Everyone was nice to me, a complete outsider. At no time did my son in law receive any money for this filming from Techz, which was professionally done. He also helped out with various tasks in the construction and painting of the lab, all free.

Nobody struck me as being crazy. Yes, there are some interesting personalities, as there are everywhere in life. I met Eric and spent almost two days with him. He was very generous with his time and I found his viewpoint very interesting. All the while, filming was going on and everyone was aware of this. At no time when I was there did Eric ever claim anything about overunity. I have been an EE for over 30 years and asked him a lot of questions.

By the way, if there is really any overunity device out there I would like to see it. On the energetic forum I see a lot of posts by people that don't know the difference between an overunity device and a switching voltage regulator. People are making money, in my view, just on the talk of free energy, but I don't believe that anyone is really doing it. Look behind the talk.

In general I have been upset by the tone of this discussion. Somebody, somewhere, is trying to manipulate somebody. Otherwise, the tone would be different. People are talking about lawsuits etc. Only manipulators do things like that. There are lots of threats and name calling. It pretty much is making me ill. Childish behavior.

Hopefully, things will calm down, and Eric will be able to get back to his work, even if it is not in his lab.

jimm
07-20-2013, 01:59 AM
"Ray took control of the book and started to sell it and is giving the money to someone he hired to film Eric - ALL WITHOUT ERIC'S PERMISSION. "

WRONG!! I was there at the lab when the filming took place. Techz, whom I am neither attacking nor defending, asked my son in law to do some filming of the lab being refurbished. I knew that there would not be payment so I gave my son in law $250 just so that there would be no expenses out of his own pocket. I met the principles, everyone involved. Everyone was nice to me, a complete outsider. At no time did my son in law receive any money for this filming from Techz, which was professionally done. He also helped out with various tasks in the construction and painting of the lab, all free.

Nobody struck me as being crazy. Yes, there are some interesting personalities, as there are everywhere in life. I met Eric and spent almost two days with him. He was very generous with his time and I found his viewpoint very interesting. All the while, filming was going on and everyone was aware of this. At no time when I was there did Eric ever claim anything about overunity. I have been an EE for over 30 years and asked him a lot of questions.

By the way, if there is really any overunity device out there I would like to see it. On the energetic forum I see a lot of posts by people that don't know the difference between an overunity device and a switching voltage regulator. People are making money, in my view, just on the talk of free energy, but I don't believe that anyone is really doing it. Look behind the talk.

In general I have been upset by the tone of this discussion. Somebody, somewhere, is trying to manipulate somebody. Otherwise, the tone would be different. People are talking about lawsuits etc. Only manipulators do things like that. There are lots of threats and name calling. It pretty much is making me ill. Childish behavior.

Hopefully, things will calm down, and Eric will be able to get back to his work, even if it is not in his lab.

As an outside observer with nothing to win or lose, I tend to agree with you.
However I have no way of knowing the good guys from the bad. It all probably boils down to poor communications among the "saviors". There does not seem be a coherent plan in place anywhere.

Instead of all sitting down at a table and having a rational discussion about who is doing what and why, they decide to have a public mud slinging contest! Not good...

I like your comment about the "OU" voltage regulator. If these folks knew how to take a proper measurement or how to interpret it, the truth would be clear.
Oh what the heck, a whole flock of people are having fun in their garages amazing themselves and Aaron is making a living selling them books. Everybody is happy.

Aaron
07-20-2013, 05:39 AM
"Ray took control of the book and started to sell it and is giving the money to someone he hired to film Eric - ALL WITHOUT ERIC'S PERMISSION. "

WRONG!! I was there at the lab when the filming took place. Techz, whom I am neither attacking nor defending, asked my son in law to do some filming of the lab being refurbished. I knew that there would not be payment so I gave my son in law $250 just so that there would be no expenses out of his own pocket. I met the principles, everyone involved. Everyone was nice to me, a complete outsider. At no time did my son in law receive any money for this filming from Techz, which was professionally done. He also helped out with various tasks in the construction and painting of the lab, all free.

Nobody struck me as being crazy. Yes, there are some interesting personalities, as there are everywhere in life. I met Eric and spent almost two days with him. He was very generous with his time and I found his viewpoint very interesting. All the while, filming was going on and everyone was aware of this. At no time when I was there did Eric ever claim anything about overunity. I have been an EE for over 30 years and asked him a lot of questions.

By the way, if there is really any overunity device out there I would like to see it. On the energetic forum I see a lot of posts by people that don't know the difference between an overunity device and a switching voltage regulator. People are making money, in my view, just on the talk of free energy, but I don't believe that anyone is really doing it. Look behind the talk.

In general I have been upset by the tone of this discussion. Somebody, somewhere, is trying to manipulate somebody. Otherwise, the tone would be different. People are talking about lawsuits etc. Only manipulators do things like that. There are lots of threats and name calling. It pretty much is making me ill. Childish behavior.

Hopefully, things will calm down, and Eric will be able to get back to his work, even if it is not in his lab.

Miner Tom,

Your statement is distorting the facts and taking what I said out of context to make it look like I'm not being truthful. I'll inform you since you obviously do not know the facts...

Look at this statement: "Ray took control of the book and started to sell it and is giving the money to someone he hired to film Eric - ALL WITHOUT ERIC'S PERMISSION. "

I was interested in the distribution of the Lone Pine Writings book and asked Eric if that money was going to him or the lab. He actually didn't know. He asked Webster and to Eric's surprise, David Webster told Eric that Ray has the book, is selling it, and David Webster told Eric that Ray is using the money from that book to pay the cameraman.

So don't come in here acting like I'm misinforming anyone because you are taking it out of context.

Again, so there is no mistake -

1. Eric asked Webster where the book money is because Eric wanted it to go to Webster since he helped compile it.

2. Webster told Eric that Ray has the book and is selling it - and that money is being used to pay the camera man.

3. Eric did not approve of that and was never notified that Ray was selling the book.

4. It seems that Ray Savant is lying to Webster about what the book money is going to. :thinking:

Ray has been claiming that the money from the Lone Pine book is being used to pay the camera man. So if you're saying your son, C or K (however he spells his name), has never received a dime, then either you or Ray are being dishonest about this.

My bet is that it isn't you who is being dishonest about this and it reveals even more about Ray.

Aaron
07-20-2013, 05:55 AM
Oh what the heck, a whole flock of people are having fun in their garages amazing themselves and Aaron is making a living selling them books. Everybody is happy.

Your condescending statements sloppily veiled as some objective opinions are becoming boring and unwelcome.

You are obviously not qualified to comprehend the fact that if you add the mechanical work of the wheel in a Bedini SG, it is "overunity". The COP is above 1, period, end of story and anyone who refutes that does not prove what they know, they prove their own skepticism isn't even qualified. Give it up. It is a simple intelligence test and you failed because if you also have not seen "overunity", which is an oxymoron anyway, then you are the one that doesn't know how to properly measure work done.

The Veljko machine is over 3.0 COP easily verifiable. force x distance is REAL WORK and if you add it up, it is many times over the required input.

If you don't believe there is anything in this forum that qualifies as overunity, you're wasting your time and should go join the James Randi forum.

There is nothing magical about any of this and if you or anyone else has years of EE experience and are unable to properly measure it, then that means you're not qualified. An EE is not automatically qualified to understand the nature of open dissipative systems - your training is for conventional system - so don't pretend that you are able to understand Chinese when all you have learned is Spanish.

Furthermore, this discussion thread is about exposing Ray Savant and his lies and all other topics are UNWELCOME in this thread, period.

jimm
07-20-2013, 06:36 PM
Your condescending statements sloppily veiled as some objective opinions are becoming boring and unwelcome.

You are obviously not qualified to comprehend the fact that if you add the mechanical work of the wheel in a Bedini SG, it is "overunity". The COP is above 1, period, end of story and anyone who refutes that does not prove what they know, they prove their own skepticism isn't even qualified. Give it up. It is a simple intelligence test and you failed because if you also have not seen "overunity", which is an oxymoron anyway, then you are the one that doesn't know how to properly measure work done.

The Veljko machine is over 3.0 COP easily verifiable. force x distance is REAL WORK and if you add it up, it is many times over the required input.

If you don't believe there is anything in this forum that qualifies as overunity, you're wasting your time and should go join the James Randi forum.

There is nothing magical about any of this and if you or anyone else has years of EE experience and are unable to properly measure it, then that means you're not qualified. An EE is not automatically qualified to understand the nature of open dissipative systems - your training is for conventional system - so don't pretend that you are able to understand Chinese when all you have learned is Spanish.

Furthermore, this discussion thread is about exposing Ray Savant and his lies and all other topics are UNWELCOME in this thread, period.

OK, you put up this thread for the express purpose of trashing Techzombie.
Doesn't that seem a bit childish? Again, I don't know him, but let me throw out some observations that I have distilled from this mess.

1) TZ was the only person who knew beans about promotion in that whole outfit and he is also selling the Lone Pines book.

2) Nobody seems to know where the book money is going since there is no accounting of anything, so the accusations start to fly.

3) Promotion and book selling is Aaron's business.

4) Aaron wants to be the exclusive seller of the Lone pines book so he tells Eric about the controversy. Eric is incensed.

Eric should take control of his own finances, promotions and book deals. If he he unwilling or unable to do so, there should be a person who is solely responsible for coordinating all of it.
With TechZombie out of the way and the lab in disarray, I surmise that Aaron was able to convince Eric to make him the afore mentioned "go to" guy.

It's all a bit seedy and Machiavellian, but perhaps, in the end it's the for the best if there is an formal and honest accounting practice going forward. Even so, Eric should seek the council of a third party account.
That way the drama can be kept to a minimum.

Now about the measurements. As an EE, I use the same measurement system as the OU guys. So it's not Greek or Chinese to me. ( maybe to them!)

Alright, I have a secret. I have produced a 10X input OU device:
I take 1 joule/sec = 1 watt, I charge a cap with one joule of energy.
I discharge it into a 10 watt load. The instantaneous E*I = 10 watts!!
I'm a f**k'n genius!
Oh wait...it only lasted less than 100 ms... dang...oh never mind...
:D

minertom
07-20-2013, 07:08 PM
Jim,

My name is Tom and would like to communicate with you via email/FB, away from all of the recent unpleasantness on this forum. Are you on FB?

Tom

Aaron
07-20-2013, 08:33 PM
OK, you put up this thread for the express purpose of trashing Techzombie.
Doesn't that seem a bit childish? Again, I don't know him, but let me throw out some observations that I have distilled from this mess.

1) TZ was the only person who knew beans about promotion in that whole outfit and he is also selling the Lone Pines book.

2) Nobody seems to know where the book money is going since there is no accounting of anything, so the accusations start to fly.

3) Promotion and book selling is Aaron's business.

4) Aaron wants to be the exclusive seller of the Lone pines book so he tells Eric about the controversy. Eric is incensed.

Eric should take control of his own finances, promotions and book deals. If he he unwilling or unable to do so, there should be a person who is solely responsible for coordinating all of it.
With TechZombie out of the way and the lab in disarray, I surmise that Aaron was able to convince Eric to make him the afore mentioned "go to" guy.

It's all a bit seedy and Machiavellian, but perhaps, in the end it's the for the best if there is an formal and honest accounting practice going forward. Even so, Eric should seek the council of a third party account.
That way the drama can be kept to a minimum.

Now about the measurements. As an EE, I use the same measurement system as the OU guys. So it's not Greek or Chinese to me. ( maybe to them!)

Alright, I have a secret. I have produced a 10X input OU device:
I take 1 joule/sec = 1 watt, I charge a cap with one joule of energy.
I discharge it into a 10 watt load. The instantaneous E*I = 10 watts!!
I'm a f**k'n genius!
Oh wait...it only lasted less than 100 ms... dang...oh never mind...
:D

You're welcome to leave, you are a trouble maker.

This thread is to EXPOSE A FRAUD and to make it look like I'm just trying to "trash" someone reveals who you are. Your statements have just revealed that you are incapable of comprehending what you are observing.

1 - you are misinformed, the only thing Ray Savant did was to piggy back on the traffic from this forum and a few other networks. That is what a leech does, while taking credit for everything that happened. The traffic in Eric's threads has built up over the years from Eric posting here. All these people who appreciate and respect Eric's work and are contributing to the discussions and sharing their work are primarily who Tech Zombie was promoting to. Most of them stay silent but they are watching. He has no effective network of his own and uses everyone else's - just like he did with Adam Bull and others. You are a misinformation agent. And, he is selling the Lone Pine Writings book without Eric's approval, yet you defend this. :thinking:

2. If you have any common sense - Ray claimed he is using the book money to pay the cameraman. Eric never received a dime from it and neither did David Webster (who was supposed to be getting the money). Seeing that Ray is 1) Selling the book without Eric's permission and 2) is not paying the cameraman even though he said that is what he needed the money for - it takes but about 2 braincells to rub together to deduce that Ray is NOT honoring Eric's request and Ray is NOT putting the money where it was supposed to go and you try to mitigate Ray's actions in this. :thinking:

3. What a revelation, I sell and promote books.

4. I had no intention of selling the Lone Pine Book. I saw it for sale and wanted to buy a copy for myself. When I asked Eric about that book, he found out that Ray was selling it without his permission and was using the money to pay the cameraman (Ray's claim). I tell Eric about the controversy? Eric is the one that told me. :whistle: You are obviously here to distort the facts and misinform everyone as to what is going on.

Because of Eric finding out what Ray has done to the book - I offered to make it available with Eric's permission. And, the money will actually go to where Eric wants it to go. Ray violates his word and I honor mine, and yet, you paint me as the bad one. You are obviously operating from a very low sense of integrity - your statements reveal your amoral nature and you're not even very good at hiding it.

With Ray out of the picture, the lab is not in disarray. For the first time, things are being put on track to be in alignment with what Eric's wishes are and what Eric was told from the beginning. I have no intention of being a replacement for what Webster has done for Eric and I'm certainly not going to misrepresent Eric the way Ray has done.

I will publish some of Eric's work and will help support the lab's fund raising efforts. I never had an intention to be an official part of the organization because I don't have time to commit to that and I have my own projects. All I have done is support Eric and his lab's fund raising efforts as an outside supporter and with Ray fabricating lies that I'm trying to sabotage Eric's lab/organization, well, you can continue to be the wiling recipient of the fairy dust being sprinkled in your eyes. And to post here any kind of defense for Ray is void of any integrity, is shameful and is reprehensible.

Everyone has already heard what Eric has to say about it and all you are doing is slapping Eric in the face. Do not post here anymore. You are only making a mockery out of Eric's situation and you should keep your advice of what Eric needs to do to yourself. What Eric needs is for people to stop telling him what he needs. He is a grown man that can decide for himself what he wants to do thank you very much.

jimm
07-20-2013, 08:56 PM
This mess is exactly why it is important to get financial dealings in writing and an independent professional to verify that they are being carried out as intended.
Eric, are you reading this?

I'm not trying to make trouble. I don't want to see this history keep repeating itself over and over.

Aaron
07-20-2013, 09:09 PM
This mess is exactly why it is important to get financial dealings in writing and an independent professional to verify that they are being carried out as intended.
Eric, are you reading this?

I'm not trying to make trouble. I don't want to see this history keep repeating itself over and over.

You're posts contribute nothing useful to this and are only taking the focus off of the facts.

You need to plant it firmly in your mind that this entire issue did revolve around FINANCES!

Ray is a fraud, is acting on his own accord while disrespecting Eric's wishes, is taking credit for things he didn't actually do, and he attacked me labeling as a liar and someone who is manipulating Eric against him - when the truth is ALREADY known by Eric's own testimonial that this was going on BEFORE I ever met Eric. Why you continue to point to something else that takes the focus off of these ESTABLISHED FACTS (not rhetoric) is amazing.

I posted what I posted about "nefarious elements" was to publicly call out and expose the fraud of Ray Savant. If it was not public, people would continue supporting Ray and his websites and would still be under the illusion that Ray is actually helping Eric. To keep it private behind the scenes and to expect that Ray would have voluntarily left Eric alone had no chance of happening! Everyone can see from Ray's posts how tightly he has latched himself on to this all and there was no way in hell he was going to let go that easy.

Any further claims that money is the issue, etc... is disinformation. For your information, this forum has been a vehicle that has helped Eric financially and Ray didn't contribute to that. Eric stated what this forum has done for him in the interview - every single fact conveniently has escaped your observations.

If you post in this thread again, you will be banned.

Aaron
07-20-2013, 09:38 PM
Sterling posted this at Peswiki:
Own Worst Enemy syndrome epitomized in recent Eric Dollard clash (http://pesn.com/2013/07/20/9502343_Own-Worst-Enemy_syndrome_epitomized_in_recent_Eric_Dollard_c lash/)

Here is my response to him last night when he told me he was going to release that:

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Sterling,

Do not use me or my name as a tool to further your own agenda about what is hindering free energy developments. Especially, when you are distorting what the situation is.

You are painting this in a way that is simply not correct. You have many false statements, which you need to address.

Ray didn't raise the $30+k... and he shouldn't get credit for it. What he did was open the indegogo campaign and raised a bit himself. He messaged me at Energetic Forum asking for help and I was glad to promote it to my network. In just a few days, my promotion to my subscribers, etc... raised over $8000 for the campaign. Ray posted on the Indegogo campaign sight that the campaign had gone "viral" - he was taking credit for my contribution to the explosive growth of traffic. I didn't do it for recognition, but when I saw him wrongfully giving credit to it going viral when it was my promotion that accelerated the traffic, I confronted him. Later, someone I believe to be David Webster must have said something to him because Ray eventually gave a thank you to me, but he left the post about it going viral, which is misrepresenting the facts.

Adam Bull is someone else that helped to raise quite a bit and Ray has covered up the history of that by deleting Adam's posts. Adam posted proof of this in Energetic Forum in the Ray Savant thread. Adam is someone else that was harassed and threatened by Ray Savant.

I have since been contacted by others who have also been harassed and/or threatened by Ray Savant over the months.

What does this tell you Sterling? You have an organization that had it's own "in fighting" ALREADY going on, which had nothing to do with me. And Ray Savant who isn't even a board member has been attacking multiple outsiders who have been trying to donate money, support Eric in other ways, etc... What that looks like is someone is deterring various people who have resources to help Eric and Ray has pushed them all away. That is the real story here - do NOT put me on level ground with Ray and make it look like Eric is in the middle of Ray and I because that is a false slanderous allegation against me. Your agenda here to distort the facts in order to fit it into your pie chart is making a mockery out of the actual situation.

You also have to understand that I am NOT a part of this so-called "in fighting" that is going on. You are misrepresenting my part in this. The infighting that was going on was between Eric and some of his close associates (on Eric's side) and they were having conflicts with Ray Savant and some board members of Eric's Lab. Ray Savant was never on the board of directors by the way. These issues between THEM were going on for quite a while now - months BEFORE Eric and I ever personally met. Obviously you can hear Eric verify this in the interview. So, the infighting meaning conflicts within a certain organization were between them and had nothing to do with me.

After the conference, I was attacked by a board member. Eric completely disapproved of that. I replied to the attack and the instantly Ray Savant attacked me accusing me of being a liar, manipulating Eric, etc... which you can hear from Eric himself that Ray has completely concocted all of those allegations out of thin air. Labeling me as someone involved in "infighting" that is limiting progress is slanderous.

I am an OUTSIDE person to Eric's organization who simply invited Eric to the conference to give a talk and I am going to publish his talk and book and possibly other material. As an OUTSIDER to the organization, I was attacked, just like Ray attacked Adam Bull and others who were also OUTSIDERS to their organization - OUTSIDERS who simply have a desire to support Eric and his work.

This is NOT Eric being caught in between Ray and I. What this is - is Eric disapproving of Ray's involvement and it is myself disapproving of Ray's false allegations and attacks against me. So what you have is Eric and I BOTH standing next to each other defending our positions against Ray Savant. THAT is what the truth is.

You are slandering me here: "if we don't seek personal improvement and to overcome our junk."

Sorry, I don't need self improvement in any area pertaining to this issue. Nor do I need to overcome any "junk". I am exposing a fraud and liar, period. If you can't see that, you really are willing to distort the facts for your own benefit of making it look like you have all this kind of situation figured out that fits into your model of why free energy isn't happening.

And how is Ray Savant a "giant" human being? He is deceiving people, posting testimonials on his own digital download site making it look like it is someone else's site. I have proof he is already changing records behind the scenes to cover this up - I have it all recorded. He made false allegations about me manipulating Eric when it is more than obvious that Eric has been against Ray since day 1 - WAY BEFORE I ever met Eric. Ray has a whole collection of Jew-bashing documents on the website that intermingles Eric's work with that - is that what a "Giant" of a human being does?

I believe in doing the right thing Sterling and exposing someone who is a fraud and liar who is deceiving people is exactly the right thing to do. What part of Eric's testimonial do you not understand in regards to what he is saying about Ray? It is completely obvious that Eric is not in the middle of this issue with Ray and I. Eric and I are on one side of the fence in regards to Ray and Ray is on the other. There is no such thing as Eric being caught in the middle of anything.

"Now the entire operation is in jeopardy because of the in-fighting."

That is NOT true, the operation was ALREADY in jeopardy before Eric and I ever met! You need to research the facts before trying to post some story that you haven't even verified.

Because of my exposure of Ray, Ray has agreed to leave the organization alone and Wittekind will move forward with the non-profit so what this means is now that Ray has been exposed and outed, the organization is now closer to being functional than it has been for a long time! That is 180 degrees opposite from how you are skewing the facts.

You have completely twisted and slandered me in a way that you obviously are not seeing. All of your facts are skewed.

"I've not probed deeply into the situation," - obviously, you haven't looked into it much at all yet you're willing to slander me and distort all the facts to suit your own agenda of pushing your pie chart.

"the whole thing started about a month ago when Techzombie and a friend went to Eric's lab to help him." - you haven't comprehended anything in the interview. It all started THE FIRST DAY THAT RAY CAME TO THE LAB. That was many months ago and is what Eric said. Eric has had a problem with Ray since the first day that Ray registered ericdollard.com without Eric's permission.

And then you end it blaming Eric for this issue. Eric wants to do his work and be left alone. Ray Savant is the one who has invited himself into Eric's life and work and has never been welcome.

I ask you for help to expose someone who has been working against Eric posing as someone that is helping him and in return, your contribution is to blame Eric at the end of your article and paint me as having some equal fault as Ray Savant when I am exposing a fraud. That is completely shameful. You need to learn how to check your facts before publishing a story - to not do that shows you have a careless disregard for the truth just so you can have some controversial story that will generate more traffic. You are being completely careless with this whole issue.

Aaron

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To Sterling's credit, he did respond with some edits to the original article. However, most of what I said above still applies. I don't need to post Sterling's email to me but obviously he thinks he is doing the right thing and I don't think he is intentionally trying to skew anything. However, it remains true that some of the things in that article are not true representations of the facts. Sterling did say I'm welcome to comment. I commented on that website with what my response to Sterling was and it has been deleted. :thinking: Doesn't seem my comments were very welcome after all.

I also want to state that just because Ray parted ways with the organization, I'm not trying to make it look like Wikkekind has the same opinion of Ray as I do. For all I know, they're buddies and Wittekind may respect him. That's they're deal but in any case, I just don't want words put into my mouth that I'm saying Wittekind shares my opinion and I don't want it to look like that is what I'm implying.

Aaron
07-20-2013, 10:40 PM
Well, Sterling's response to me about my concerns about this post is:

"p.s. The story isn't about factually portraying who did what and who said what and who is in the right and who is in the wrong. That is why I purposely give minimal info on the details; just enough to get people oriented."

It misrepresents what happens and he is fine with that. Oh well...

Aaron
07-21-2013, 02:47 AM
Ray has posted a video claiming that I got Eric hooked on meth in order to manipulate him. I have never heard something so stupid in all my life. If this is the level that Ray will go in order to lie to make himself look like some good guy, then he has revealed himself to be nothing but pure gutter trash.

I do have a response to this and will post it for all to see.

We will see what a good man Ray is. If I truly manipulated Eric and Ray believes this, why would Ray make such a pathetic video, which would damage Eric's reputation. That, all by itself, shows you exactly what is ticking in Ray's little peanut savage brain.

And keep in mind that 100% of everything Ray is claiming about me is made up with zero evidence. Everything I am showing about Ray is coming from Eric's testimonial, emails and other evidence of Ray covering up his trail. I will post more on that. And Edward Mitchel's testimonial at the end? Many of us know what he did here before. He threatened my life and I posted a satellite photo of his work in Arlington, Texas for my own safety. I never posted his address as he claims. After he backed down and made some effort to call it a truce, I removed the picture (from google earth with all coordinates removed). Edward Mitchel is a liar just like Ray.

What Ray has just done is his very best to destroy Eric Dollard. When Eric sees that video, my guess is that he will disappear and nobody will ever hear from him again. Ray has not hurt me by this video, because I can refute with PROOF that he is a liar, but he has hurt Eric.

Coming soon...

dward
07-21-2013, 04:35 AM
After seeing this play out a bit more, it's clear to me that what I said denouncing much of you guys and the site is clearly wrong. I had visions of pretty terrible stuff going down here because of this, which I have noticed is a self perpetuation curse in many of these forums, sites, and organizations dedicated to alt research. I'm very sorry if I said anything which you (Aaron) or Eric or any of you would have been hurt or discouraged by.

I am personally very discouraged by the recent events with Eric's lab. It makes me hope for his sake, that he disappears in the lucrative world of government research. Because no matter what Eric produces, It's Eric's personal inspiration and encouragement which has been more important to me than any of his papers, books, or lectures(as incredibly stimulating as they have been). So to me it's Eric's life which should take precedent over any free to the public information, invention, or experiment he does.

One thing which he said which really helped to focus my own personal research intents was that, if you just go read Tesla's lectures and patents, then seek to understand the way he did, that you'd produce great results. Well, He's right. My research is bearing fruit because of Erics encouragement to not judge what all these electrical giants did and read them on their own terms.

Once again, i'm sorry for my outburst here as it was uncalled for and unhelpful. It makes me very angry to see another man's dream ruined! I hope you guys can work this all out so that Eric and company can get some work done. Thanks for posting those interviews as well. Truly saddening stuff.

Aaron
07-21-2013, 06:26 AM
Getting threats from (252) 726-3410 - are they stupid? They're in the phone book.

Farmhand
07-21-2013, 08:22 AM
All the donators should have receipts, and in my opinion they should be asking
for their money back until a properly organized accounting structure is
implemented. Depending on what premise they donated on they may have legal
recourse to claim a reinbursement of their donations, Especially if
misappropriation of funds is occurring somewhere.

As far as Sterling goes I don't like the way he spends crowd funding, and he is
like the pot calling the kettle sooty (political correctness) but the article
touches on some valid points even if all names were left out and the specific
situation involved other characters.

I think if forgetting all the specific characters there needs to be proper accounting of any publicly funded organisation.

Are the donations tax free or deductible ? If tax needs to be paid is it being paid.

All the equipment under the sun is no use if there is no stable environment to use it.

Even though I may have some issues with Eric i am a compassionate human
being, I know what it is like to suffer, mentally and physically and financially.
It would be great to see Eric in his own Lab where he has all the say.

But who would risk his wrath to try to work for him or with him ?

I have a similar problem trying to find people to help me do farm work, people
don't use common sense and break stuff, it happens to me all the time, If I
feel there is no hope for them I tell them to go away and do it all myself, even when
putting up kilometers of fencing. Can't be avoided, good help is hard to find.
And if you want a job done right then do it yourself.

In my time I've had to learn how to take people to court and represent myself.
I've had to learn many things so that I can do it myself. I build my own
buildings and just about everything else. I can't even trust people to mow the
yard properly and do other things without committing machine abuse.

Mostly it pays not to allow others to use my machines because of it. A lot of
people are almost useless at most things, but they are still people with
feelings and rights. If people want to be useless it is entirely their right, just
let them go, sack them. Who is the boss.

Cheers

Aten90
07-21-2013, 07:35 PM
Wow the **** has really hit the fan around here hasn't it but i shouldn't be surprised this all ways happens when money is involed- The Love of money is the Root of all Evil:wall:

lets put all this crap behind us and get back to what this forum is really about Sharing Ideas:thumbsup:

Aaron
07-21-2013, 10:07 PM
Look at what Ray posted about keychests.com where he had Eric's book:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/602983_10151727632203966_1419388473_n.jpg
Now look at this video exposing the fact that Ray Savant is the one who actually owns keychests.com not his 'friend' like he posted. He is covering his tracks because he was pushing tons of pro Adolf Hitler material on that site - here's proof:

Ray Savant - Tech Zombie - Pro Adolf Hitler Racist - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSr5ZOF8h0M)

He is now scrambling to do private registration for his sites to hide this but it is ALREADY in google cache, etc...

Aaron
07-22-2013, 02:12 AM
Ray Savant has Edward Mitchel's statement against me claiming I'm suppressing his work in his video claiming that I'm manipulating Eric with Meth.

Edward Mitchel is h20power or h2opower and is self-proclaimed Stan Meyer master who replicated his work. If any of you remember a few years back during a lot of talks in the ionization thread, it was Edward Mitchel that denounced that Meyer ever had anything to do with nitrogen. He continued to attack myself, MJN, Tutanka, etc... as being idiots because we did not agree with him and it got nasty.

Edward Mitchel wound up threatening my life so I posted a satellite image of his work to show where he lived and was about to contact the FBI in Arlington, Texas because of this. That is why he was banned in the end.

He is a disinformation agent and is making lies that I banned him to suppress his work. He was living in a fantasy world and we heard right here in the forum that he is arrogant, won't listen to anyone and thinks he knows everything about Meyer.

Since he wants to bear false witness against me, and like a fool, he does so publicly via Ray Savant's video, I posted this to expose him, his false claims about Meyer, etc... to show he has no credibility in anything he says and there are many witnesses here that remember this issue with him before he was banned.

Edward Mitchel - Disinformation Agent Exposed - H20power H2opower - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmPP7cAzonI)

It is boring in the technical details, but I'm establishing the facts that show that this "Meyer Expert" actually never read any of the Meyer documents that I review.

Jerry Vollard, you're next. :thumbsup:

FOXNULL778
07-22-2013, 04:26 AM
I have been following aetherforce for a while now and this situation has made me decide to register here. I believed that it was Eric Dollard behind the aetherforce website. But it turns out EPD lab is a completely separate organization?

After seeing Eric actually has posts here yet nothing really proving Eric's affiliation with aetherforce I really am starting to wonder. With this in mind and re watching some of the videos posted on that site it really does almost seem like Eric is unaware he is being recorded!

Aaron
07-22-2013, 07:30 AM
I have been following aetherforce for a while now and this situation has made me decide to register here. I believed that it was Eric Dollard behind the aetherforce website. But it turns out EPD lab is a completely separate organization?

After seeing Eric actually has posts here yet nothing really proving Eric's affiliation with aetherforce I really am starting to wonder. With this in mind and re watching some of the videos posted on that site it really does almost seem like Eric is unaware he is being recorded!

Thank you, I will clarify.

If you go here:
https://www.facebook.com/TheAetherForce

Look at the banner, it says Eric Dollard.

What does it say under that?

"AetherForce, Science and Engineering of the Aether. WE have NOTHING TO DO WITH Eric Dollard and accept NO DONATIONS"

Ray Savant registered Ericdollard.com without his permission. Eric demanded Ray go to meet him. All Eric wanted Ray to do was film him in the bush to raise some money. That was the ONLY thing Eric wanted Ray to do. Everything else, Ray invited himself into Eric's life.

Ray then forwarded Ericdollard.com to aetherforce.com, which is composed of Ray Savant, David Webster, John Polakowski and David Wittekind as far as I know.

It was supposed to include Eric Dollard and aetherforce did do a lot of good for Eric. That is true. However, there were internal conflicts and Eric absolutely did NOT want Ray involved with anything and wanted him out, COMPLETELY.

To make a long story short, aetherforce was representing Eric in a way that Eric did not like, he did not appreciate and in many ways he was represented, Eric was never even notified of. Many things were done without Eric's knowledge or consent.

There is a lot more than that, but that is the gist.

The Eric Dollard thread here is the only place online that Eric personally posts when he can get in front of a computer. He drafts out what he wants to post and someone else types it in. He doesn't want to go anywhere else, and Ray Savant and others from Aetherforce made many demands of him to stop posting here so that they could have exclusive control over everything Eric does, but Eric wasn't having any of that.

Every single thing that Ray Savant (Tech Zombie) is accusing me of, he is the one that is actually guilty of doing himself.

You should hear Eric's interview I did with him over the phone.

And Ray Savant's response was to create a video claiming that I hooked Eric on meth in order to brainwash him and put him against Ray and the others. None of that is true - not even close.

Sputins
07-22-2013, 08:06 AM
I have been following aetherforce for a while now and this situation has made me decide to register here. I believed that it was Eric Dollard behind the aetherforce website. But it turns out EPD lab is a completely separate organization?

After seeing Eric actually has posts here yet nothing really proving Eric's affiliation with aetherforce I really am starting to wonder. With this in mind and re watching some of the videos posted on that site it really does almost seem like Eric is unaware he is being recorded!

*We have a situation where exist four separate entities, (where Eric Paul Dollard is / has been a common factor.

#1, T-rex, Mr Wizard, The Coyote (Eric Paul Dollard).
#2, EPD Labs (David Wittekind, Dave Webster, Eric Dollard, plus unknown others?).
#3, Energetic Forum (Aaron) – Postings by T-rex, (Eric Dollard via David Webster).
#4, Aether Force website / Facebook. (Ray Savant – Aka Techzombie).

First it must be understood that Eric does not like digital technology / modern society etc. I believe he borrows the screens of computers to read the forum and the like but he doesn’t run or operate websites at all. As far as I know he doesn’t have any responsibility for what is put on the Aether force, nor is it him who posts on Facebook. Someone has been doing either it on his behalf, or not even on his behalf, just doing it anyway. – Readers of Aether force (up till now) have assumed any Eric Dollard material has had Eric’s permission to be there. Along with anything else either posted on Aether force or Facebook it has been assumed that it has had Eric’s “blessing” particularly if it is posted under his name. The real situation is unclear. (I believe he (Ray) originally had permission to post the early videos related to the Indiegogo campaign, but it all got out of control and now Eric disapproves of it).

As I understand it, Ray runs /ran the Aether Force website, the Facebook page and he also started the Indiegogo campaign.

EPD Labs – Has no official website of its own or an online presence that I know of (as yet). (Although Aether force had some connection with it). Most of its information is kept secret. The only thing that is known is that David Wittekind bought the building / lab & essentially owns it. As far as I knew David Wittekind is the President, David Webster is the Secretary and Eric Dollard is the Treasurer. Other executive persons are unknown or unconfirmed. The current status of EPD Labs and the executive persons of EPD Labs at this time still remain unclear.

The Energetic forum (moderated / co-founded by Aaron) was / is an outlet for Eric Dollards writings (T-rex) through / via David Webster primarily. These writings have been posted for the last two years approximately.

*Note: what I have written here is my understanding of the situation which I believe to be correct, however I am not directly involved with any of this so I may be wrong on some accounts.

**Aaron has answered you above, (better than I) before I could post this. I’ve typed this it out now so I’ll post it anyway.

Sputins.

Aaron
07-22-2013, 08:54 AM
EPD Labs – Has no official website of its own or an online presence that I know of (as yet). (Although Aether force had some connection with it). Most of its information is kept secret. The only thing that is known is that David Wittekind bought the building / lab & essentially owns it. As far as I knew David Wittekind is the President, David Webster is the Secretary and Eric Dollard is the Treasurer.

Other executive persons are unknown or unconfirmed. The current status of EPD Labs and the executive persons of EPD Labs at this time still remain unclear.

The Energetic forum (moderated / co-founded by Aaron) was / is an outlet for Eric Dollards writings (T-rex) through / via David Webster primarily. These writings have been posted for the last two years approximately.

Thank you Sputins,

Wittekind does have a lab site, but I think it should be kept discreet for now. Nothing really on it, but not appropriate to promote it yet. And it is actually dedicated to the lab with no connection to aetherforce that I could find.

Wittekind is the president, Webster is actually registered as the treasurer and it is Eric who is actually the secretary.

Aaron
07-22-2013, 09:21 AM
If you click this link:

keychests.com - Whois Data (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6xHzFIFOX6MJ:www.whoismind.com/whois/keychests.com.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

You will see Google's cache of keychests.com, which had Eric's book on it.

Is there anyone here willing to click that link and post what email the account was registered at? And make note of the date that google cache capture happened on?

I've done it, but I'm just hoping others are willing to state exactly what the records show. Ray Savant is trying to cover it up and he already changed the email.

mahakal
07-22-2013, 09:30 AM
Domain Name: KEYCHESTS.COM
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.enom.com
Referral URL: eNom - domain name, web site hosting, email, registration (http://www.enom.com)
Name Server: NS1.LEETSTRADINGCO.COM
Name Server: NS2.LEETSTRADINGCO.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 04-nov-2012
Creation Date: 04-nov-2012
Expiration Date: 04-nov-2013

Domain name: keychests.com

Registrant Contact:
Leets Trading Co
Leets Trading Co ()

Fax:
po box 824
ny, NY 10108
US

Administrative Contact:
Leets Trading Co
Leets Trading Co (techzombie432@gmail.com)
+1.6467091297
Fax: +1.5555555555
po box 824
ny, NY 10108
US

Technical Contact:
Leets Trading Co
Leets Trading Co (techzombie432@gmail.com)
+1.6467091297
Fax: +1.5555555555
po box 824
ny, NY 10108
US

Status: Locked

Name Servers:
ns1.leetstradingco.com
ns2.leetstradingco.com

Creation date: 05 Nov 2012 01:47:00
Expiration date: 04 Nov 2013 17:47:00


Note also techzombie432@gmail.com - Email Data (http://www.whoismind.com/email/techzombie432@gmail.com.html) provides the following:

The list below contains all domains related to the email address techzombie432@gmail.com. The list is made of domains using the above email address on their website or in their whois record. We also link domains to email addresses by using our internal algorithm.

The email techzombie432@gmail.com is related to these domains :
1. aether1.com
2. aether1.net
3. aetheracademy.com
4. aetherforce.com
5. aetherone.com
6. aetherone.net
7. ericdollard.com
8. etherforce.com
9. healthlevelup.com
10. vidyousee.com

Aaron
07-23-2013, 02:19 AM
Thanks Mahakal, I hadn't run across some of those other domains.

Ray also owns jinnWE: The Revolution Begins (http://jinnwe.com)

jinnwe.com - Whois Data (http://www.whoismind.com/whois/jinnwe.com.html)

He already changed the registrant info but you can see it is still on the leetstradingco.com server, which is Ray's.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1002145_10151729784018966_1733977946_n.jpg

And,

whois funhi.com (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0XmrmGqtyBwJ:dnsw.info/funhi.com+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

Aaron
07-23-2013, 02:25 AM
Minor update -

Supposedly Ray Savant put the money from the Lone Pine Writings book into the EPD Lab fund. That looks good, but it goes completely against what Eric Dollard wants.

Eric wanted that money to go to Webster - wanted him to get some of it if not all of it. And he doesn't want Ray to do anything with it - you already know that. Just another example of them doing what they want regardless of what Eric asks.

Just like Webster forcing Eric to give him half of the money put into Eric's hands at the end of the conference so it could go to the lab.

Getting money for the lab is fine, but it has to be done with integrity. And Eric has a right to have money that is his own.

Aaron
07-23-2013, 07:08 AM
Ray Savant put his Keychests.com site back up:
https://www.keychests.com/?c=159

Look at this - SHOWING THE PRO HITLER BOOKS in Google cache:
Banned Books of Truth by wad (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XAJXdilP6lkJ:https://www.keychests.com/%3Fc%3D159+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

EDIT: THE GOOGLE CACHE HAS UPDATED TO HIS NEWER PAGE WHERE HE HID THE HITLER BOOKS, ETC... BUT IT WAS ALL RECORDED BY VIDEO AND SCREENSHOTS AND IS PERMANENTLY RECORDED IN OTHER CACHE'S.

And of course the Google cache of Ray Savant (techzombie) registration of keychests.com.
keychests.com - Whois History 2012-11-08 (http://www.whoismind.com/whois-history/2012-11-08/07-42-51/keychests.com.html)

He must have an ulcer by now having his coverups filmed in live streaming time. There is a lot more that will be revealed soon. Ray Savant is an amateur at damage control and he has no idea what he is leaving in plain site and he is not going to be able to remember what it is! I guarantee you! :rofl:

“If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.” Mark Twain


You can compare the very first two links and see that he conveniently removed Hitler's book and a few others. :whistle:

He claims I had lawyers take his site down, but really, he was making his registration private and taking the site down to cover up what I was saying. And, he still leaves quite a few books that are considered extremely Anti-Semetic.

Ray Savant claims to be 100% Semetic and both parents are Semites. Well, a friend who is more like a brother to me that happens to be Palestinian came to my house because I had to find out what the deal is.

He said if Ray is Egyptian, most likely he is not a Semite. And he said it doesn't matter. For Ray to claim he is Semetic as a defense that offering Anti-Semetic books would be crazy, is NOT a defense. Palestinians are Semites too. So, Ray pushing the Anti-Semetic material makes sense since he hates Jews because the book are against Jewish Semites and not Arab Semites. He said there are plenty of Arab Semites who are completely anti-Jewish Semites.

Why is this even being discussed here? Because in the video that Ray made making it look like Eric hates Jews and you hear Ray say "ok, enough of the Jew Bashing", Ray is actually editing it creatively to cut his own self out of the picture as the one that kept bringing it up with Eric.

When Eric said Ray is an admirer of Hitler, that is for real. It has been established that Ray (Techzombie432) is the real owner of Keychests and not some friend as he claims. It DOES have a folder with Anti-Semetic books - and many are STILL there as you can see, but if you compared the two links above, he deleted Hitler's one, the Protocols book, etc...

Those are being shown to be posted by an avatar named WAD, but that is actually Ray himself and Wad is from the jinnwe.com site, which by no surprise is owned by Ray Savant.

And like I said, Eric's material is on this keychests site being intermingled with Pro-Hitler books or at books promoted by Hitler and the Nazis like the protocols book.

1. Book titled "Second Book" authored by Adolf Hitler himself.


2. The Secret Relationships between Blacks and Jews - "The Anti-Defamation League criticized the Nation of Islam and the book." The book has been labeled an Antisemitic canard by historians including Saul S. Friedman, who contends that Jews had a minimal role in New World slave trade. Henry Louis Gates, Jr., head of the dept of Afro-American studies at Harvard University, called the book " the Bible of new anti-Semitism"



3. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is an antisemitic hoax purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis publicized it like a valid document, although it already been exposed as fraudulent. After the Nazi Party came to power in 1933, it ordered the text to be studied in German classrooms.

4. Eustace Mullins Book - "Eustace Clarence Mullins, Jr. (March 9, 1923 – February 2, 2010 was a populist American political writer, biographer, and antisemite."


I posted that in youtube when Sterling Allen claimed none of the books are anti-Semetic. Well, I have 100% irrefutable proof that not only are/were those books on Ray's site, but some that are still there are still considered by scholars to be very Anti-Semetic.


I'm not taking sides with anything and I'm not about hate on either side - I don't support any of it.



What Eric said about Ray being Pro-Adolf Hitler is not true just because Eric said it, I did the research and posted it here for the world to see. Ray Savant has been promoting Pro-Adolf Hitler material and other Anti-Semetic material on his own websites and got caught doing it! Look at that second link to Google cache - he has Hitler's book, the protocols book, etc... that are all conveniently missing from the live site now.



And even if he is an Arab Semite, that is irrelevant because as the facts stand, there are Arab Semites that dislike Jewish Semites and there are Jewish Semites that dislike Arab Semites. Therefore, Ray Savant's defense that he is a Semite and therefore "I'm off my rocker", is nothing but fairy dust for fools.



For the record, we can see what an objective peacemaker and 5-star reporter Sterling Allen from Peswiki is. I caught him trying to remove his post that reveals both his ignorance on the matter and his choice to side with Ray Savant and work to cover up the facts about what the books actually are. WHY??????????????????????????????????????????????? ????

I thought you were for the TRUTH and wanted to support this field. Instead, you are drawn to the workings of the walking dead and you have the audacity to mention God in your emails. :suprise:

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1001073_10151730543618966_1117335059_n.jpg

Aaron
07-23-2013, 07:15 AM
-removed-

10 characters

Raui Searle,

I have all posts recorded.

I know you disclaimed yourself.

What is your current comment about your statement in Ray's video? Please state this publicly.

Aaron
07-23-2013, 08:23 AM
"This message has been deleted by garrettm4 (http://www.energeticforum.com/members/garrettm4.html)."

GarrettM, why did you delete your post that was attacking me?

I have copies.

My question to you right now is...

Do you or do you not support the video from Ray and your testimonial in it? Please comment.

Raui
07-23-2013, 01:57 PM
I don't support my quotes being used in the manner they are. My thoughts were clarified in my second post which got no mention in the video. I have requested they be taken down only to be told they are on a public forum which is besides the point, a little thing called mutual respect and moral would at least have me approached before my full name and quoted material is posted in such form. This whole thing could have been dealt with differently by just about everyone involved, myself included.

Viva la n6kph.

For the last time,
Raui

garrettm4
07-23-2013, 06:37 PM
Aaron I will say this quite clearly, I do not like you. Furthermore, I absolutely do not approve of the way you handled the various situations surrounding Eric P Dollard. Likewise, the same sentiment applies to Ray with regards to the "video" he recently made available.

Despite your smarmy claims, David Webster and John P. are very upstanding people, why you deemed it fit to repeatedly dirty their names is beyond me. Ray on the other hand shouldn't have been assaulted as you have done, a discrete "intervention" (say hangover 3) was all that was needed. Mud slinging is all I see here, and you are the King of the mud fight, with Ray coming in second. To be honest, I don't think Ray would have posted the "Eric is a Meth-Head" video had you not have insulted him so deeply. Why make people angry? It only serves to blind them into doing things that they wouldn't normally do and which they will then find regrettable. Do you find any of your actions regrettable? I hope so. I know I do, but that's what being an adult is: admitting to faults and then try to correct them.

Out of respect to Eric, and only to Eric, I thought I would clean this thread up, and remove my comments which were hot headed and severed to do no good. That said, I do stand by my initial comment that you indeed were trying to instigate trouble, which we can all see was correct.

I find it bizarre that you need to personally state that you have saved my posts. Why keep such petty things? Why even bring that up as if it were relevant? My distaste for you only grows. Do what you will with them, as apparently you have given yourself ownership of something I find to be of absolute uselessness.

In the future, I do hope you learn to control your aggressive behavior, as look where it has gotten Eric: nearly lab-less, called a meth-head, nearly destroyed all his interpersonal relationships, a declining reputation and mud smeared all over everything.

To not be contradictory myself, I plan to do the same and control my temper and stay out of fights in which I don't belong, which certainly has done no good in any of this. To all who care about Eric, lets just drop the issue and let the people behind the scenes solve their own problems. I'm done with this internet soap opera. Days of Our Lives featuring Eric P Dollard and Friends.

Aaron
07-24-2013, 12:56 AM
Aaron I will say this quite clearly, I do not like you. Furthermore, I absolutely do not approve of the way you handled the various situations surrounding Eric P Dollard. Likewise, the same sentiment applies to Ray with regards to the "video" he recently made available.

Despite your smarmy claims, David Webster and John P. are very upstanding people, why you deemed it fit to repeatedly dirty their names is beyond me. Ray on the other hand shouldn't have been assaulted as you have done, a discrete "intervention" (say hangover 3) was all that was needed. Mud slinging is all I see here, and you are the King of the mud fight, with Ray coming in second. To be honest, I don't think Ray would have posted the "Eric is a Meth-Head" video had you not have insulted him so deeply. Why make people angry? It only serves to blind them into doing things that they wouldn't normally do and which they will then find regrettable. Do you find any of your action regrettable? I hope so. I know I do, but that's what being an adult is: admitting to faults and then try to correct them.

Out of respect to Eric, and only to Eric, I thought I would clean this thread up, and remove my comments which were hot headed and severed to do no good. That said, I do stand by initial comment that you indeed were trying to instigate trouble, which we can all see was correct.

I find it bizarre that you need to personally state that you have saved my posts. Why keep such petty things? Why even bring that up as if it were relevant? My distaste for you only grows. Do what you will with them, as apparently you have given yourself ownership of something I find to be of absolute uselessness.

In the future, I do hope you learn to control your aggressive behavior, as look where it has gotten Eric: nearly lab-less, called a meth-head, nearly destroyed all his interpersonal relationships, a declining reputation and mud smeared all over everything.

To not be contradictory myself, I plan to do the same and control my temper and stay out of fights in which I don't belong, which certainly has done no good in any of this. To all who care about Eric, lets just drop the issue and let the people behind the scenes solve their own problems. I'm done with this internet soap opera. Days of Our Lives featuring Eric P Dollard and Friends.

You made a claim against me without knowing the facts and that is worth saving. If you make a claim against someone, you had better be able to prove it.

If you have the slightest bit of common sense, which you have shown to not have, you would understand why this was brought public.

Every avenue was exhausted to deal with this in private.

Get this through your thick skull... :wall:

They were trying to commandeer Eric's organization as a fact. Eric wanted his friend on the board of directors, someone who would actually be doing most of the work. Their response? Trying to get Ray on the board so that Eric will continue to have a minority vote since Eric doesn't have enough people on his side to ever get his vote approved for what he wants. That is the game they were playing with Eric. Ray refused to back off so Eric decided it was time to go public. I said I would back him up as I saw from Ray's attack to me in email was all that I needed to see that Eric really is being strong armed in a way that leaves Eric without any real say-so in his own organization.

And what has it gotten Eric? Ray will not be on the board of directors. If you're too feeble-minded with your degenerate mentality to see that this will wash out where everyone will see that Ray Savant is a liar and he concocted everything and it is all going in Eric's favor now, then you are a truly hopeless cause.

There is not one person who choose to stand by Eric's side that was willing to come forward in his defense against Ray - not even Webster and Polakowski.

You have NO idea who is good or bad because you haven't seen the facts. I will reveal another fact about Webster because I caught him in a lie and it will be pointed out. You are delusional and have been drinking too much kool-aid.

I actually defended Webster many times believing it was just out of a misunderstanding, he means well, etc... then I saw him outright lie about something and that was the end of it.

FOXNULL778
07-24-2013, 01:18 AM
Seriously guys regardless of the propaganda and regardless of the he said she said we all CLEARLY heard Dollard's own words saying he wants nothing to do with TechZ and wants TechZ to have nothing to do with EPD labs and that is that.


Also Aaron has said that he plans to help out Dollard as long as he can but has other interests of his own to deal with as well.

The only question I have are 1. Will there be another website where Dollard's materials/research/updates can be found LEGALLY (but honestly when you think about it most of the posts at aetherforce.com had nothing to do with Eric's actual work and only used him to go viral anyway :P ) and 2. Is that is even a good idea considering he really doesn't want anymore attention from the MIB.

Berg
07-24-2013, 06:37 AM
***

Aaron is a raving lunatic. You're an obvious toady. Please stop posting in response to my posts. I only like to converse with intelligent people. Thank you very much.

You're only proving Eric Dollard's point -- and I quote "The people in the Energetic Forum are useless pieces of sh---." That's a direct quote from Dollard Himself and one you are doing a very good job of verifying.

Have a nice life. :blowout:

Sir, Please show some respect, why don't you? After all, Aaron is hosting this forum. We wouldn't be able to have this conversation if it weren't for him.

As for what Mr. Dollard said, that quote could have been taken out of context. Would you provide a link to a video of him making that statement?

jdodson
07-24-2013, 07:44 AM
@Danielpoet, you are a hypocrite to the fullest.

YOU replied to my first post with "who asked you"...Was I not allowed to have an opinion?

YOU label me a "toady" for Aaron, and continue ranting about Aaron labeling you a "plant" for Tech.Z

YOU call Aaron irrational for replying with insults, yet all of your replies to me contained insults. You call me unintelligent because I dont agree with you.

THEN you actually post this:
"You should realize how unflattering your own posts are to your character given the way Aaron rants, threatens, bans, and carries on."

Does none of that apply to you?
Ironic indeed...Pot meet kettle. :rofl:

Aaron
07-24-2013, 12:04 PM
Techzombie Fraud
Techzombie Fraud
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danielpoet http://www.energeticforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/14219-ray-savant-muhamed-techzombie-exposed.html#post235953)
Would you provide a link to a video of him making that statement?

***

Sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7yMKVtNE4

The quote is at 9:33 of the video. [/quote]

Daniel and all who care to know.

At 9:33, Eric is complaining because there are people here he doesn't get along with. You obviously don't know anything about Eric. He snaps and bites at virtually EVERYTHING. That is why he is known as a human coyote! And at the SAME time, his favorite people that are understanding and working on this stuff are also right here in this same forum.

Also, how can I video Eric when he is over 1000 miles away? If you heard the interview where he denounces Tech Zombie, it is on a conference call recording - so what am I doing - sending him digital meth over the phone line while forcing him to say those things with telekinetic power?

Right before 9:33, he says good things about this forum because it really did change his life. All the donations gathered for him over the last few years made a huge difference for him. All that was before Techzombie Ray Savant ever did anything. And over those years, I repeatedly promoted Eric's work and his thread in my newsletters that go out to 10's of thousands of people all over the world. That drives traffic to his thread and he winds up getting donations from that.

Eric didn't appreciate Ray and the others demanding him to stop posting here. Ray wanted to be in exclusive control over Eric's material and that is why Ray is acting this way. Eric gave Ray the finger because he is sick and tired of having Ray in the picture. It is really a very simple concept.

My intention from the beginning is very simple - Eric is a guest speaker and I will publish that presentation to raise money for him him personally (not for the lab - that is what Ray and them were supposed to be doing - raising their own money). Then Webster makes Eric give up half of the donations to him to pay rent on the building. That's unacceptable. Ray will blame it on Eric coming to the conference, but that is bogus. They have plenty of film, etc... they can use for a campaign but there they are with David at the conference making Eric fork over money to pay rent when Eric was promised from the beginning that all that would be covered. :whistle:

And, despite Webster's hand in that operation, I was still up here with Eric going through my friend's warehouses helping Eric get tons of Glom. Literally, there might be several thousand pounds of equipment worth many thousands of dollars. We already had Eric's "glom meister" ready to drive up here but when some of the guys tried to pull the "we're putting Ray on the board" trip, Eric wasn't having it and we decided to hold off on the equipment move until after Ray was out and the lab was settled to Eric's satisfaction.

I've done nothing but support Eric not just personally, but also the lab. I promoted their Indegogo campaign, scored tons of glom for the lab, etc... and this is how they stab not just me in the back but also Eric. Notice they say they haven't seen Eric on meth (in the Eric Dollard thread - Polakowski and Wittekind), yet they won't openly denounce Ray's video as being a bunch of BS. They gave a lawyer answer. I think they're scared to say anything and their skin isn't thick enough to put up with Ray's potential attacks if they say something. They see what Ray painted me and Eric out to be. lol They'd be popping a valium every time a dog barked.

I can take all this crap they want to throw - I'd be wealthy if I had a dollar for each time I was accused of being the men in black or an information suppressor, had a death threat, etc... The reason it always works out in my favor is simple - I tell the truth EXACTLY as it is so I never have to worry about being clumsy or having to cover something up. Especially, in this digital age where everything is recorded in multiple places. It is very hard to lie and get away with it when pulling this crap online in front of so many people.

And what Ray is doing is actually building an upside Pyramid where he is on the bottom. The more people he brings into the lie to harass me, etc... will simply get to the point that it will smash him like a pancake.

Liars always think they have enough fingers to plug the leaks but soon, the leaks accelerate and he is out of fingers. He drowns.

Eric and I both win 100% no matter what. The whole deal is rigged in our favor.

Why? Because he just got a bunch of people to buy into his crap who are threatening me and when they find out that Ray misled them, he will be the star victim in his own self-created zombie movie trapped in a corner where they will be screaming for his brains. He is rapidly manifesting a real life nightmare for himself and he has himself convinced that he can keep up the illusion indefinitely. It will never go away and it will haunt him for the rest of his life.

Aaron
07-24-2013, 09:06 PM
1-(218) 844-3182 pin code 92918065

I don't believe you need the # sign after the pin code.

Eric discusses this Ray Savant suppression claims.

That was recorded live with Eric and I on a conference call system a little while ago. It takes about 2-3 minutes for it to get started (will be silent for a few) so be patient.

Ray Savant
Tech Zombie
"Muhamed"

463 west 49th st
New York, NY 10019

(646) 709-1297

techzombie432@gmail.com
savantray@yahoo.com

Business Name.
Leets Trading Co.

Aaron
07-24-2013, 09:23 PM
Please put this graphic in your signature line if you support Eric Dollard.

http://energeticforum.com/images/banners/ericdollardspeaks.jpg

Please spread this so that it goes viral all over the net.

Aaron
07-24-2013, 10:45 PM
Does it cost anything to listen to the recording?

Just a long distance charge for 218 area code. If you have free long distance on cell phone, then it is free.

Aaron
07-24-2013, 10:57 PM
Eric Dollard Debunks Techzombie&#39;s Suppression Hoax - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUMO3of1x4M)

Youtube version.

Aaron
07-24-2013, 11:31 PM
If you put the banner in your signature line, please link it to the youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUMO3of1x4M

Aaron
07-25-2013, 02:58 AM
Here is Eric Dollard with me.

Eric Dollard Video Interview - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhjC2b56bQI)

Does any of this video match the claims against both Eric and I? He is cool as a cucumber. Look at him. Completely chill and composed. You can't see my beer because it is down by my feet so I'll share that one with Eric. lol

Notice this is after the conference and I'm speaking highly of David Webster and John Polakowski and I even promote the aetherforce website. AND, this interview was about 4 days AFTER I received the emails with the accusations.

Anyway, please share and like that video! We can't let these psychos get away with painting Eric like they did. What a big man Ray Savant is to attack a United States Veteran with a disability.

Atlas
07-25-2013, 05:39 AM
This is ridiculous.

TechZombie's video is nothing more than a bunch of highly edited clips taken out of context. It also contains a couple of spelling errors and shows his lack of both editing skill and apparent care for the english language. He claims to have stayed up three days straight to make it. Wonder how he managed to avoid sleep for that long...

If truth were his objective, then he'd post the full video clips to provide context for the quotes.

Seems pretty obvious that Eric's side of the story is supported by the events of the recent past, while Techz's story has shifted and altered as Eric's opinion of him became known.
Also seems pretty obvious that he was taking advantage of the fact that Eric is not chained to a computer like most of us.

BigLew
07-25-2013, 06:10 AM
I saw this post on another forum (http://aetherforce.com/a-rising-phoenix-from-the-ashes-victory/):

"I’m judging is Aaron Murakami. He started it, and he brought this whole mess into the public. And his statements are some of the most vile and nasty things I’ve read on the internet."

Had a look around and here and that seems pretty true. Aaron Murakami seems to have a lot of hate for a lot of people. Going about it nasty ways, too. Just my 2 cents.

:peaceflag:

Aaron
07-25-2013, 08:34 PM
I banned Daniel Poet (Daniel Lapp) because of his repeated nonsense and trouble making. We are establishing facts here and he obviously is drinking Techzombie's kool-aid so he is not welcome here.

Techzombie is preparing another video with the goal to portray Eric as a drug fiend. Any meth references are discussing the past and he is editing it for his own purposes to cut out that fact.

David Wittekind, David Webster and John Polakowski have ALREADY come forward with statements over the last few years they've been around Eric, Eric was never on meth.

Since these are the primary people involved with Eric's non-profit and lab and these people are the ones Ray is showing to be on Ray's side in his video, that shows you right there what the facts are.

Therefore, nobody involved in this situation (or in Ray's video or otherwise) corroborates Ray Savant's (Techzombie) allegations.

"The entire 2 years I have known Eric I have never seen him do meth or have any behavior that suggests he is using meth." - John Polakowski, EPD Laboratories
http://www.energeticforum.com/235838-post1016.html

"In regard to Eric currently using meth, I have never seen him use it or had any indications of him being on meth in my experiences with him." -
David Wittekind, President, EPD Laboratories
http://www.energeticforum.com/235895-post1021.html

"I want to add my 2 cents to this idea that has been thrown about where Eric has been accused of being on meth. In the two years that I have been in contact with a very open and honest Eric Dollard, he has never said anything to make me believe that he was continuing to use meth after the Landers station was taken from him. I do not believe that Eric is currently using meth." - David Webster
http://www.energeticforum.com/235998-post1034.html



.

BigLew
07-25-2013, 09:04 PM
[QUOTE=Aaron;236118]I banned Daniel Poet (Daniel Lapp) because of his repeated nonsense and trouble making.

***

All he did was disagree with you. He said over and over again he didn't believe Ray. You've been exposed as a petty dictator. I didn't drink nobody's koolaid and I think you're a nut-job. So why don't you ban me too?

jdodson
07-25-2013, 09:45 PM
All he did was disagree with you [Aaron]....You've been exposed as a petty dictator. I didn't drink nobody's koolaid and I think you're a nut-job.

All Dianiel did was contradict himself and insult everyone else. He insulted, Aaron, myself and even Eric. He also insulted this entire forum calling it a urinal.

If "all he did" was disagree with Aaron, he would still be here.
Please dont follow his lead and start insulting everybody as well, BigLew.

BigLew
07-25-2013, 09:59 PM
If "all he did" was disagree with Aaron, he would still be here.
Please dont follow his lead and start insulting everybody as well, BigLew.

***

Not insulting anyone but you'd have to be a blind-dog not to see how this Aaron fella is a crackpot. Just here in this one ol' forum he's threatening about ten people and banning other folk. You seem like a nice guy, sorry you can't see how much of a Peter-Pumper this Aaron fella is.

Aaron
07-26-2013, 12:58 AM
[quote=Aaron;236118]I banned Daniel Poet (Daniel Lapp) because of his repeated nonsense and trouble making.

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All he did was disagree with you. He said over and over again he didn't believe Ray. You've been exposed as a petty dictator. I didn't drink nobody's koolaid and I think you're a nut-job. So why don't you ban me too?

I made it very clear what this thread is for - to keep a record of all of Ray's lies and abuses. I have a lot of documented evidence here that is irrefutable proof that Ray Savant is making up lies.

For Jordan L (daniel poet) - filling up multiple threads with condescending remarks to multiple members is not acceptable and his posts are not even on topic. The topic is Ray Savant exposed.

Jordan didn't really say he didn't believe Ray, he said he thought the video was poor, etc... he continued to criticize every post I made.

I'm not the nut job here - you obviously do not know the facts and have not researched it. This thread is a legal record of Ray Savant's crimes and that is what this thread is for in addition to documenting the truth about what actually happened.

If you are not contributing to these efforts, you are off topic and your posts here will be deleted. If you want to stay a member and watch or actually participate in a positive way in another thread where you can stay on topic, you're welcome to stay.

Aaron
07-26-2013, 01:00 AM
I saw this post on another forum (http://aetherforce.com/a-rising-phoenix-from-the-ashes-victory/):

"I’m judging is Aaron Murakami. He started it, and he brought this whole mess into the public. And his statements are some of the most vile and nasty things I’ve read on the internet."

Had a look around and here and that seems pretty true. Aaron Murakami seems to have a lot of hate for a lot of people. Going about it nasty ways, too. Just my 2 cents.

:peaceflag:

Peace sign huh? We'll see...

Go read WHY it came public. It is about him trying to get on the board of directors and Eric did NOT want that to happen. All the private efforts failed so the only way to get Ray away from Eric and his lab was to bring this public. You need to really put yourself in Eric's shoes and see it from his point of view. Eric was feeling helpless because nobody would help him have the right people on board that he wanted and it is his own organization.

Aaron
07-26-2013, 01:02 AM
This is ridiculous.

TechZombie's video is nothing more than a bunch of highly edited clips taken out of context. It also contains a couple of spelling errors and shows his lack of both editing skill and apparent care for the english language. He claims to have stayed up three days straight to make it. Wonder how he managed to avoid sleep for that long...

If truth were his objective, then he'd post the full video clips to provide context for the quotes.

Seems pretty obvious that Eric's side of the story is supported by the events of the recent past, while Techz's story has shifted and altered as Eric's opinion of him became known.
Also seems pretty obvious that he was taking advantage of the fact that Eric is not chained to a computer like most of us.

You bring up a VERY IMPORTANT point - Ray Savant needs to be challenged to show the video unedited without all his hyped up garbage added to it. That will show the truth.

Aaron
07-26-2013, 01:03 AM
I saw this post on another forum (http://aetherforce.com/a-rising-phoenix-from-the-ashes-victory/):

"I’m judging is Aaron Murakami. He started it, and he brought this whole mess into the public. And his statements are some of the most vile and nasty things I’ve read on the internet."

Had a look around and here and that seems pretty true. Aaron Murakami seems to have a lot of hate for a lot of people. Going about it nasty ways, too. Just my 2 cents.

:peaceflag:

You did not see the email attacks on me behind the scenes. Again, you are simply not aware of all the facts. I posted it and if you don't get it, you should look again at the REAL SEQUENCE of events.

Miranda
07-26-2013, 01:21 AM
:wall: Oh my god. Aaron and his sock puppets squashing the potential out of Eric like lemons in a squeezer. This argument doesn't even involve Eric anymore, now it's just Aaron tossing insults at TechZombie and others, and banning those who don't deserve it. Aaron is now just talking to himself. I wish you guys good luck:heartthrob:

Aaron
07-26-2013, 10:57 AM
jinnWE: The Revolution Begins (http://jinnwe.com)

The website that Ray Savant - techzombie owns - on that site he has a few usernames to make it look like there are multiple users, that includes Tech Zombie, WAD, etc... his WAD username is what he used to post the Adolf Hitler material here: Banned Books of Truth by wad (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XAJXdilP6lkJ:https://www.keychests.com/%3Fc%3D159+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)


Registration Service Provided By: Namecheap.com Contact: suppo**@namecheap.com Registered through: eNom, Inc. Domain name: jinnwe.com Administrative Contact: Ray Savant (raysavant@gmail.com) +1.21255512** Fax: 463 west 49th st New York, NE York 10019 US Technical Contact: Ray Savant (savantray@yahoo.com) +1.21255512** Fax: 463 west 49th st New York, NE York 10019 US Registrant Contact: Namecheap.com Namecheap.com Namecheap.com () Fax: 8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #110 - 732 Westchester, CA 90045 US Status: Locked Name Servers: NS1.LEETSTRADINGCO.COM NS2.LEETSTRADINGCO.COM Creation date: 28 Jan 2011 06:32:00 Expiration date: 28 Jan 2015 06:32:00

Web000x
07-26-2013, 02:31 PM
Minor update -

Supposedly Ray Savant put the money from the Lone Pine Writings book into the EPD Lab fund. That looks good, but it goes completely against what Eric Dollard wants.

Eric wanted that money to go to Webster - wanted him to get some of it if not all of it. And he doesn't want Ray to do anything with it - you already know that. Just another example of them doing what they want regardless of what Eric asks.

Just like Webster forcing Eric to give him half of the money put into Eric's hands at the end of the conference so it could go to the lab.

Getting money for the lab is fine, but it has to be done with integrity. And Eric has a right to have money that is his own.

First of all, let's clarify some things. I got a good chunk of money from the Lone Pine books sales. TechZ was setting up the sales so that I would get a recurring revenue stream. I told him that I didn't really care about getting the money myself but would rather see it go to EPD Labs to help fund Eric's lab. This was my decision to have the money go back into EPD Laboratories. Eric and I never discussed me receiving the money for the purpose of furthering my experiments.

Second, I never forced Eric to give the donated money from the conference to the labs. We had a discussion right there at the bar where I explained to him that EPD Labs has expenses, and he agreed to allow some of the money to go into the organization. If you call that forced, you should write your own dictionary. Let it be known that there is only 6 months worth of operating capital in the EPD Labs bank account. It seems pretty obvious that there there is a need for donations into EPD Laboratories.


There is not one person who choose to stand by Eric's side that was willing to come forward in his defense against Ray - not even Webster and Polakowski.

You have NO idea who is good or bad because you haven't seen the facts. I will reveal another fact about Webster because I caught him in a lie and it will be pointed out. You are delusional and have been drinking too much kool-aid.

I actually defended Webster many times believing it was just out of a misunderstanding, he means well, etc... then I saw him outright lie about something and that was the end of it.

Can you guess why I didn't come to Eric's defense?

I am not going to defend anyone, Eric Dollard or not, that comes out against the very people that have worked very hard to try to help the them. Yes, there may have been some issues within the organization that could have been dealt with differently, but due to Eric's bush life, there was a crippling lack of communication between all parties involved. Instead of sitting down like adults, flamethrowers started firing up in the public eye and that was about the time that I opted out. If you can't defend all of your flame throwing yourself, you may need to reconsider you actions next time you decide to 'help out'.

I lost an amazing girlfriend because of my dedication to Eric Dollard's cause and I am intent on getting her back. I want no more involvement with this which is unfortunate because it seems as if I'm about to have to deal with some more slander. Aaron, Please expose my 'lie'.

Dave

Aaron
07-26-2013, 09:16 PM
I got a good chunk of money from the Lone Pine books sales. This was my decision to have the money go back into EPD Laboratories. Eric and I never discussed me receiving the money for the purpose of furthering my experiments.

Second, I never forced Eric to give the donated money from the conference to the labs. We had a discussion right there at the bar where I explained to him that EPD Labs has expenses, and he agreed to allow some of the money to go into the organization.

If you call that forced, you should write your own dictionary. Let it be known that there is only 6 months worth of operating capital in the EPD Labs bank account. It seems pretty obvious that there there is a need for donations into EPD Laboratories.

Can you guess why I didn't come to Eric's defense?

I am not going to defend anyone, Eric Dollard or not, that comes out against the very people that have worked very hard to try to help the them.

Instead of sitting down like adults, flamethrowers started firing up in the public eye and that was about the time that I opted out.

Aaron, Please expose my 'lie'.

Dave

So you now calling Eric a liar. You told Eric that Ray was using the money to pay for a camera man. Why would you lie to Eric about that if you actually were receiving the money? Never discussed using the money so you can continue your experiments? Eric seemed to be very clear about the fact that he stressed to you the importance of WHY you need to be the one to keep the money. That is what Eric wanted you to do with the money, seems obvious. For you to give it to the lab is completely disrespecting Eric's wishes. The experiments that were being posted here are VERY important to Eric but you take it upon yourself to do what you want. Good job helping Eric there! Just like you forcing Eric to give you half of the donations collected at the end of the conference. That was pretty low of you.

Asking Eric for the money was a slimeball thing to do. Techzombie is supposed to be the master fund raiser and if that is the case, why are guys broke, coming to my conference to leech off of what I setup for Eric? It's hard to raise any funds when you keep giving his life's work out like free peanuts at the bar. Many things are obviously supposed to be free, but much of Eric's work has a value and people can respect that. If Techzombie didn't mismanage all of Eric's work, the whole lab would be paid off by now with proper campaigning for the lab.

Eric was promised from the very beginning that all that rent would be taken care of. How do you think that kind of contradiction makes him feel?

Obviously the lab needs money. But you guys working with Ray Savant Techzombie were supposed to have some master plan at raising funds, etc... but instead, you come to the conference and without permission, you solicit the paid attendees for donations to the lab. You were completely out of line. You disrespected the conference's organizational leadership. I never had an agreement with the lab, only with Eric personally. My word to Eric was that money from the conference would be his own money and not the labs. You "helped" him so much that you take away his dignity when you do those things.

You told me you wanted to come as Eric's guest so Eric could have a familiar person there and that was it - and that is why I gave you a guest pass. You didn't mention one single thing about representing the lab. You were a trojan horse for the lab. You show your true intent by stating elsewhere that Ray and others thought it would be good for you to come to get donations. That is one deception that is already revealed. What you told me was completely opposite from what you were actually doing.

I also made it very clear to you on the phone (by voice), etc... that no money from the conference was to go to the lab and was only to go to Eric. Do you remember that? And why was that? Because Eric ALREADY did NOT trust Ray or the rest. When Eric expressed that distrust to me, that is when I decided to make sure all the money goes directly to Eric. So what do you do besides having a different agenda than what you told me for coming to the conference? You ask for donations for the lab. You have absolutely no honor or integrity in what you say.

Eric coming out against those that are helping him? Threatening to put Ray on the board, when it is obvious that Eric wants him out of his life is helping him? If Ray had the slightest true intent to actually be of help to Eric, Ray would have backed off from any attempt to get on the board of directors and would be helping Eric quietly behind the scenes doing promotions without his name attached.

And with you knowing that Eric does not want anything to do with Ray, you and Polakowski continued to support and side with Ray instead of Eric. And you wonder why Eric isn't happy with you guys? I didn't have anything to do with that - that was all amongst you guys and Eric's other buddy who he wanted on the board of directors, who was being counter opposed by Ray.

That is what this is really about. The tug a war with Eric's organization and that made him sick and is why he said his organization is being hijacked. Nothing behind the scenes worked, none of Eric's concerns were met with any kind of compassion or remedy. So Eric demanded that it be made public. It was his idea and I agreed to back him because he himself was backed into a corner with nowhere to turn. If it wasn't brought public, Ray would still be trying to force his way into Eric's organization unwelcome and there would still be no progress with the lab and Eric would have headed for the hills already.

You have slipped multiple times and this is yet another: " the very people that have worked very hard to try to help the them. "

EXACTLY! The very people that worked hard to help THEM. Like I said originally, help themselves to Eric. That was NOT a typo, it is a Freudian slip, there are actually TWO words - we can see the root idea that was in your subconscious mind when you typed this. Thank you for revealing just a bit more about yourself.

You are either delusional or you really are intentionally lying: "flamethrowers started firing up in the public eye and that was about the time that I opted out. If you can't defend all of your flame throwing yourself, you may need to reconsider you actions next time you decide to 'help out'. "

Really? Kind of interesting how you just conveniently left out all of Eric's very serious concerns about Ray needing to be booted from Eric's life from not just Eric but Eric's other EE buddy in the bush and the glommeister's concerns that Ray needs to be GONE. And ALL of that was before anything was ever brought public. I can clearly see how you are manipulating this and I hope I'm not the only one.

One question to finish up - was it you or Polakowski that posted Eric's T-Rex post against Farmhand (sheep reference)???

Aaron
07-26-2013, 09:32 PM
Danielpoet's and BigLew are logging in from the SAME computer!

I will ban BigLew as he is DanielPoet who claims to be "Jordan Lapp".

One, 2 skip a few.. 99 i hate you, a poem by pitch BLACK. poets love Poem at allpoetry (http://allpoetry.com/poem/1184121-one__2_skip_a_few.._99_i_hate_you-by-pitch_BLACK) (death worshiping "poem")

iceonfire@hushmail.com

Here he is:

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/127/8f15cded3bf5ff132cdf649de74afeba/l.jpg

Farmhand
07-26-2013, 09:32 PM
Aaron, I think what the EPD Lab crew is saying is. You can have Eric, he's all your's.

Or Eric is all his own, I think they want out, deciscion made. That is how I see it. Most sane people will
see there is a point where, it's best to just cut the losses and back out. A situation with
no winners can have that effect.

I just hope Eric can do something himself because I doubt he will ever get many people
to work with him. I know I wouldn't take it.

I'd like to know if I can donate directly to David Wittekind, so he can be less adversly affected
financially at least. Who else thinks we should strike up a donating fund for David Wittekind.
The other Dave has some relationship patching to do, I hope it works out for him we
can't donate to help with that.

Lets rally around the one most adversly affected. I think he will appreciate the help at least.
He seems like a genuinely good man, with a huge heart.
I would prefer people like him over free energy any day.

Cheers

Aaron
07-26-2013, 09:44 PM
Aaron, I think what the EPD Lab crew is saying is. You can have Eric, he's all your's.

Or Eric is all his own, I think they want out, deciscion made. That is how I see it. Most sane people will
see there is a point where, it's best to just cut the losses and back out. A situation with
no winners can have that effect.

I just hope Eric can do something himself because I doubt he will ever get many people
to work with him. I know I wouldn't take it.

I'd like to know if I can donate directly to David Wittekind, so he can be less adversly affected
financially at least. Who else thinks we should strike up a donating fund for David Wittekind.
The other Dave has some relationship patching to do, I hope it works out for him we
can't donate to help with that.

Lets rally around the one most adversly affected. I think he will appreciate the help at least.
He seems like a genuinely good man, with a huge heart.
I would prefer people like him over free energy any day.

Cheers

He's not "mine". Please frame your language responsibly. My relationship with Eric was only to have him as a speaker and to publish his talk and book and possibly other material. I always supported the lab, but that support has to be separate from Eric's personal business. I want the lab to continue with Eric and the people that he wants to be in the organization. I do not want, nor have I ever had, any intent to be on the board of directors or in any official position with the non-profit. I just want to promote its campaigns to help them out and I have connected Eric with a friend who has a lot of equipment Eric can use at the lab.

Eric ALREADY won and so did I. People that matter to Eric know the truth about Ray Savant Techzombie. The lab will be just fine.

I don't want to see Wittekind lose anything and neither does Eric. What's fair is fair. Please leave those decisions about Wittekind's finances to him and the organization.

Farmhand
07-26-2013, 09:45 PM
Thanks for the intro Aaron,

Nice to meet you Daniel, you handsome devil you. :D And a keen mind too, I bet that make some folks jealous.

Cheers

Aaron
07-26-2013, 11:08 PM
THIS IS NOT A TEST - THIS IS A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION

Hi {!firstname_fix},

You have a * VERY RARE * opportunity to ask Eric Dollard questions LIVE! We'll tell you how,but first, READ THIS STORY - IT MAY BE A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH SINCE DEATH THREATS ARE BEING SHOUTED!

If you have been following the "free energy" community over the years, you know that Eric Dollard is considered by many to be the modern-day Tesla!

You also may know that he has had many labs sabotaged, equipment stolen,his information has been suppressed, and the list goes on.

At this very moment, there is a very coordinated attack against Eric Dollard because he choose to stand up to his attackers and put his foot down once and for all!

Aaron Murakami, a long time open source experimenter and publisher of energy technologies did something that no other person would do... he stood up for Eric when Eric wanted to make this announcement public and nobody had ever done that before.

Because of this, a very evil and self-serving person who wanted to dominate and control everything that Eric did has done something that is so vile and disgusting that is has left many people in complete SHOCK!

This person could not stomach the fact that his plans for controlling Eric Dollard would be met with such opposition by not only Eric, but Aaron Murakami and the rest of the long-standing Free Energy community who are rallying together.

Eric spoke out against this person and you can hear this interview here - remember that Eric refers to himself as a human coyote since he has lived in the bush for the last 24 years so in this interview, Eric doesn't hold anything back - so beware.
Eric Dollard Interview EXPOSING RAY SAVANT "Techzombie" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5V-aHcR5Ts)

In response, the conspirator himself, who is a distributor of pro-Adolf Hitler material, claimed that Eric was being manipulated with dangerous drugs by Aaron in order to control him and to put him against this evil and self-righteous person. This propaganda campaign is based on none other than Hitler's "Big Lie" where it is believed that the bigger the lie the more believable, as paradoxical as it seems.It is believed that there are enough weak-minded people who will believe a big lie.

This person has selectively edited footage of Eric Dollard talking about things in his distant past to make it look like it is the present. The challenge to this person is simple: SHOW THE UNEDITED FOOTAGE TO SHOW THE WHOLE CONTEXT IN WHICH IT WAS FILMED. Thus far, Aaron is the only one to have shown unedited audio and video footage of him and Eric Dollard.

Eric asked Aaron to have his copyrighted material removed from that person's website and this person started another propaganda campaign to claim that Aaron was making false copyright claims. That person also claimed that Aaron was shutting down his websites to suppress Eric's work. Little did he know that all the public records show that Aaron's site at Energetic Forum had been freely open sourcing Eric's work for the last 3 years and that is already starting to backfire on him.

In response to this, Eric Dollard was interviewed by Aaron again to address these copyright claims and you can listen to that here: Eric Dollard Debunks Techzombie&#39;s Suppression Hoax - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUMO3of1x4M) Aaron only had Eric's copyrighted info removed from the site and did not have his entire site removed as this person claims. You will learn that the person who is angry because Eric slipped from his grasp really pulled down his entire on his own in order to remove all the Adolf Hitler books and you can see the proof is right here:

1. Look at this live site: https://www.keychests.com/?c=159

2. Look at this Google cached site to see what was there before: Banned Books of Truth by wad (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XAJXdilP6lkJ:https://www.keychests.com/%3Fc%3D159+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

When you compare the two, the original site in Google cache had Adolf Hitler books and other Nazi books that are conveniently missing from the live site, which he put back up!

3. You can see the email of this person who owns keychests.com and it is in Google cache. After Aaron exposed this person, he privatized his website information to hide the fact that he is really the owner of the site that promotes Nazi books. keychests.com - Whois Data (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6xHzFIFOX6MJ:www.whoismind.com/whois/keychests.com.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a) You can see the email, it will SHOCK YOU so beware.

What you see is that the owner is none other than the person who acted like he was Eric's biggest supporter when in secret, he was actually conspiring to destroy Eric by every means necessary.

He tried to make it look like those Hitler books were posted by a user named "WAD", but that is one of his many user names at a revolutionary site, which just happens to be owned by him! Big surprise! Here's PROOF: jinnwe.com (http://jinnwe.com.ip4.bz/) That shows that Ray Savant IS the owner of Jinnwe.com.


Here is what Aetherforce's own team members are saying about Techzombie's claims: President of Lab, Treasurer/Secretary of Lab and Apprentice of Eric Dollard their comments about these phony allegations that Eric is a drug addict (if you click the links - you can see their own quotes in full so you know they're not taken out of context):

"The entire 2 years I have known Eric I have never seen him do meth or have any behavior that suggests he is using meth." - John Polakowski, Eric's apprentice Eric Dollard (http://www.energeticforum.com/235838-post1016.html)

"In regard to Eric currently using meth, I have never seen him use it or had any indications of him being on meth in my experiences with him." -
David Wittekind, President of Eric's labEric Dollard (http://www.energeticforum.com/235895-post1021.html)

"I want to add my 2 cents to this idea that has been thrown about where Eric has been accused of being on meth. In the two years that I have been in contact with a very open and honest Eric Dollard, he has never said anything to make me believe that he was continuing to use meth after the Landers station was taken from him. I do not believe that Eric is currently using meth." - David Webster, former officer of Eric's lab Eric Dollard (http://www.energeticforum.com/235998-post1034.html)

Here is a comment from Aaron Murakami - "Not only was Eric not on Meth, he was cool as a cucumber while he was up here with me and this video proves it: Eric Dollard Video Interview - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhjC2b56bQI)"

When you have the very members of Eric's organization who were portrayed in a video as being on the same team as the perpetrator openly stating that there was none of this drug usage, Aaron's claims are not only corroborated, Aaron and Eric's statements in the interviews are indisputably proven to be 100% true and accurate beyond a shadow of a doubt.

What can we do about this vile despicable creature of evil who is a radical Islamic cyber terrorist also known as "Muhamed" or "Tech Zombie"? Forward this email to every single person in your email contacts and post it far and wide all over the internet!
Together, we CAN stop this CYBER TERRORIST from going any further with his plans to destroy Eric Dollard. Aaron is receiving threats by email, phone, text messages, etc... The FBI Internet Crimes division already has all the information necessary to take action against the perpetrators.

When you watch the youtube videos linked to above (ALL 3 OF THEM), MAKE SURE TO LIKE THE VIDEOS AND SHARE THEM FAR AND WIDE! Together, we will make a difference for Eric Dollard so his work is not sabotaged any more!

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT - On Tuesday, July 30th, 2013 from 11am to 2pm, Eric will be sharing some important information with you and you will have an opportunity to ask him questions live! To be invited to that special live-on-air broadcast, make sure you join the invitation list here: Eric P. Dollard - Official Homepage (http://ericpdollard.com/)

Sincerely,
THE SAVE ERIC P. DOLLARD CAMPAIGN!

PLEASE SPREAD THIS EMAIL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW! EVEN IF YOU
DON'T KNOW ABOUT ERIC DOLLARD, HE IS A NAVY VETERAN, HAS A
DISABILITY AND IS A SENIOR CITIZEN - THIS RADICAL ISLAMIST
CYBER TERRORIST MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!

Aaron
07-27-2013, 12:11 PM
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE LOVE AND SUPPORT!

The letter has circulated to almost 100,000 people already because a couple friends shared it with their newsletter subscribers! :notworthy:

If you want to hear Eric Dollard LIVE - sign up at Eric P. Dollard - Official Homepage (http://ericpdollard.com) - the instructions for logging in to see that interview will be sent out on that list.

A few people have surfaced from Ray Savant's past and more information will be forthcoming about people's lives who he tried to destroy when they stood up against him. Looks like I'm not the only one! :whistle:

I don't have to say much more about Ray Savant because his lies are starting to collapse in all around him and he is completely helpless. The fuse is already lit. The only way he can maintain the facade is by making it a full time job creating more lies and he will have to stay wrapped up with that instead of doing anything else with his life - and if he ever stops creating these lies, the TRUTH will envelop him. He is being chased by a pack of wild Coyotes and if he ever stops running, he will be eaten alive.

I apologize to everyone for such an aggressive campaign against the very man who is trying to destroy Eric Dollard, but it was very, very necessary. I have been exposing corruption for the last 24 years and I'm not about to quit.

Until then, I hope you will all listen in LIVE to Eric Dollard this coming Tuesday! It should be quite informative! :whistle:

Aaron
07-27-2013, 11:16 PM
http://energeticforum.com/images/banners/ericdollardlive.jpg (http://ericpdollard.com)

ERIC DOLLARD LIVE VIDEO WEBINAR - HTTP://ERICPDOLLARD.COM

Aaron
07-29-2013, 08:11 PM
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Aaron
07-30-2013, 07:36 AM
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Aaron
07-30-2013, 07:50 AM
http://energeticforum.com/images/raysavant/keychestsnazi.jpg

One book is the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and "Second Book" written by Adolf Hitler. People can believe what they want - I'm simply posting the facts to show that the allegations about Ray being Pro Hitler in a big way are 100% indisputable as recorded by Google cache, etc...

Post #159 here in this thread has the links to prove this.

Aaron
07-30-2013, 03:40 PM
Apparently, Ray Savant (Techzombie) was illegally charging people mutliple times for a single purchase of Lone Pine Writings:

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"On MAY 1 ST , I join the email list with Eric Dollard through his new website (aetherforce,com).


Nobody tell me through any channel that it is a faded web for Eric.


Then ON JUN 1 ST , i received the donation and promotion request from the email .
So i DONATE $50 for the Lone Pine Ebook through Keychest.com

even though i got most of the info from Borderland long ago.


The result is they charged me THREE TIMES without my permission
ON JUN 1 ST., that $ 150 instead of $ 50.
i only found this issue out at the beginning of July after i came back from the
conference meeting U guys at Hayden the last week of Jun .


I talked to my credit card service ,they said that i have to talk to one
who Charge me. But i get NOBODY to take my complaint.
Now i have to give up argue with my frustration ." My Story Ended.

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Aaron
07-30-2013, 03:54 PM
I talked to Eric yesterday and mentioned this "Personal Letter from Eric" promise by Techzombie through the Indegogo campaign. Guess what? Yesterday was the FIRST TIME Eric ever heard about this!

Eric has written HUNDREDS of letters personally to people that write him at his Lone Pine address FOR FREE for the last few years and sending $100 is NOT a requirement. This is just another example of false and misleading fraud perpetrated by Techzombie (Ray Savant).

64 people donated $100 and that really did help to go to the lab to fix the bldg, etc..., but 64 people are also being led to believe that a $100 donation will get them a letter when hundreds of people already have received hand written letters from Eric without requiring any donation at all.

Look below at the Arch Aether Mage Reference - it is important and will come into play at the right time to show something else with Keychests in another particular folder. I can't say what it is, but you'll be quite surprised! :eek:

http://energeticforum.com/images/raysavant/ericletter.jpg

http://energeticforum.com/images/raysavant/archaethermage.jpg

Aaron
07-30-2013, 04:25 PM
Eric Dollard's live video interview starts at 11am Pacific time zone this morning. In 1.5 hours!



Thank you for your interested in the Eric P. Dollard LIVE video broadcast.



Below are the instructions on how to login - we recommend that you login at 1050AM Pacific Standard Time to reserve your seat. To see the LIVE video interview with Eric Dollard, it is limited to 100 people. If there are more people that than, we will give a phone number and pin code so you can hear it live on a phone conference call.



1. Please join my Webinar.
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Or, you may select "Use Telephone" after joining the Webinar.

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Aaron
08-02-2013, 08:57 PM
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Aaron
08-02-2013, 10:39 PM
"Anonymous" sent me this link about Ray Savant - Techzombie:
MEN SUCK COMPARED TO ME - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bdOe5YPL6A)

PROFANITY WARNING - wow, this "man" is going to save the world by bringing free energy out to the people:rofl:.

Aaron
08-05-2013, 09:29 PM
In Ray Savant's (techzombie) latest video attack against Eric and I, he thanks Sebastian Bowles in the credits.

Here is his response:

"I had no knowledge what-so-ever of being credited in the end and would like to say that I had nothing to do with the making of this video either. My personal interest lies in learning from Mr. Dollard and implementing this knowledge in my line of research. The implications that he is on meth and brainwashed are silly and false and I don't believe them for a second. I have purchased the Four Quadrant lecture via the link at Eric P. Dollard - Official Homepage (http://www.ericpdollard.com), thus supporting this great man and his work and would like to encourage all of you to do the same. Together we can help Eric to complete his lab and finish what he has started all those years ago. -Sebastian Bowles "