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ren
11-09-2007, 11:15 PM
Its amazing the small things in your everyday life which bring a smile to your face. Im at work right now (at a hospital) and I was just called to help a patient in Intensive care. While prepping him for his physio I happened to glance across at his monitor and something stuck out at me. The "h" waveform. The spike wasnt as pronounced (maybe cause this guy needed a tune up, little more resistance at the base:p ) but it was there, his body was pulsing like a bedini circuit.

It occured to me that nature should be all the inspiration we need to study and understand energy. Is there a better example of an efficient machine other than the human body? God (for those that believe in him) surely knew what he was doing when he designed us.

I find it appropriate that Bedinis oscillators produce a waveform that closely mimics the human pulse. A case of art mimicking nature? Its moments like this that make you truely appreciate what you are trying to learn/grasp.

Jan H
11-10-2007, 04:07 PM
if you have seen Energy from the vacuum part 2, you see that bedini himself refers to the human body as a machine running on radiant energy. He also notes the form of a nerve impulse to be like a "radiant spike"
I find this very interesting (studying medical imaging and radiotherapy)
I wonder if there is anymore research on this. Because it does get me curious!

ren
11-10-2007, 09:37 PM
yes I have seen it Jan. It certainly is a very interesting comparison. I wonder what the ideal waveform for a healthy human being is?

dyetalon
11-11-2007, 11:34 PM
yes I have seen it Jan. It certainly is a very interesting comparison. I wonder what the ideal waveform for a healthy human being is?

I think waveforms are generated from the coalescence of matter as a resonant response from the force of the Aether.

Therefore, each group 'function' will have its own unique form.

:heartbeat:

gabriolaman
11-21-2007, 08:40 PM
hey guy im wondering how exactly i hook up the scope to see my wave
so far ive tried the output running to the battery it reads the battery voltage as a steady line no spikes ive tryed it on the negitive side of the diode it reads as shown it the pic below but the energizer starts to slow to nothing i belive the wave helps with tunning the machine to get your wave right means your tuned correct any ways it would be nice to see other ppls wave for comparison and maybe state a little about how well your system charges.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/-emc-/ScreenShot-2.jpg

Jetijs
11-21-2007, 08:45 PM
I usually hook one lead of my scope to the emmiter of the transistor and the other lead to the collector. This way you should see the h waveform :)

gabriolaman
11-21-2007, 08:52 PM
i try that but then it begins to slow down !?

Jetijs
11-21-2007, 09:04 PM
Thats probably because you do not use a regular scope. Regular scopes usually have a resistance of many megaOhms acros the leads, that's why they can show you the vaweform and not interfere with the circuit. That what you are using is not really a regular scope, so it may interfere with your SSG circuit. I suppose you basically make a short between emmiter and collector when you attach the leads as I told.

gabriolaman
11-21-2007, 10:32 PM
so if i added some resistors would this heelp?
how much resistance? i got like 30 m ohm adjustable
resistors

Jetijs
11-21-2007, 10:36 PM
Maybe, I dont know. I am not an expert.
:thinking:

gabriolaman
11-21-2007, 10:43 PM
well ile do some testing thanks for your input:D

gabriolaman
11-21-2007, 10:59 PM
right on i added the adjustable resistor just set it till the machine ran nice and she works great thanks a millon :D:D:

ended up at 200 ohms
heres my wave now
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/-emc-/ScreenShot-3.jpg

i dunno what a good wave looks like someone add theres:D

if i adjust the filters it look like this but i dunno what im doing with the filter
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/-emc-/ScreenShot-4.jpg

elias
11-22-2007, 10:43 AM
right on i added the adjustable resistor just set it till the machine ran nice and she works great thanks a millon :D:D:

ended up at 200 ohms
heres my wave now
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/-emc-/ScreenShot-3.jpg

i dunno what a good wave looks like someone add theres:D

if i adjust the filters it look like this but i dunno what im doing with the filter
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b25/-emc-/ScreenShot-4.jpg

Here is my H wave form:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/364-bedini-sg-2.html#post10453

Enjoy ...
Elias

Jetijs
11-22-2007, 11:47 AM
http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=237&stc=1&d=1195731845

Here are mine. This one is not right, because the SSG is not at its sweetspot at that time. Ideally the vaweform should look like in elias picture. Also, when you disconnect the charging battery, only then you will see the spikes that are charging the battery :)

gabriolaman
11-23-2007, 12:04 AM
i like h now for some reason :D
so ile only see the spikes that charge the battery if i disconnect the battery would i have to disconnect the neon bulb as well ?

Jetijs
11-23-2007, 12:10 AM
No, the neon is needed to protect the transistor. Also you should not leave the motor running with no charging battery attached longer than a few seconds, because so you will damage your tansistor. The neon will protect it for a while, nut not for long. The battery does an excellent job in absorbing those spikes, thats why you do not see them on the scope when the charging battery is attached, but if you disconnect it for a short time, all the spike energy goes through the neon and you can see that on the scope.

gabriolaman
11-23-2007, 12:22 AM
ok thanks for the tips mate:cheers:

Jetijs
11-23-2007, 12:32 AM
You are welcome. I hope I could help :thumbsup:

albertMunich
12-10-2007, 08:02 PM
Hello,

this is what the h wave looks like when the scope is connected across the battery...behind the diode on the collector.


Albert

theremart
12-18-2007, 02:10 AM
Wow, I love seeing this h !

Did you add a circuit for the sound card oscilloscope to protect the sound card before doing this? If so, I would like to know what you used!

Thanks




Here is my H wave form
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/364-bedini-sg-2.html#post10453

Enjoy ...
Elias

kumaran
12-18-2007, 09:00 AM
Hi guys,

I was testing Bedini Motor SSG circuit for electrolysis. Yesterday, I took some photos on drive and trigger coil during load (Two 3W bulbs in series with electrolyser). I'm not sure if this "h" you are talking about.

FYI, I never try to charge secondary batteries.

albertMunich
12-18-2007, 11:24 AM
Hello,
I also tried to do electrolysis with this process. Could you tell us more about your results? with my 5 coil machine I seem to get more gas than normal. the waves pretty much look like this . can you say more about the plates used and how many you have? I use stainless steel kitchen sink filters readily available here. Up to 10 plates sandwiched together with a PVC bolt and individually connected. Note the grey coating on the negative plates, too.
I think it is most important that more people try this. I see a clear connection between the low voltage electrolysis process and the bedini radiant pulse. I would also like to ask Dr Lindemann or john bedini himself if they have ever tried this.

Albert

kumaran
12-19-2007, 04:03 AM
Hi Albert,

That is very clever idea for using SS kitchen sink filters for electrodes. I'm using 16 pieces of 6" x 6" SS 304 plates to make 8 cells. The gap between plates is 1.2mm (used 1.2mm nylon washer as cell spacer). Until today, I find amps is the one doing work to generate hydroxy and not high voltage. Cell needs just 2V to produce gas and above than that is just waste of power. Using 10A@12V and 10A@2V will produce same amount of gas.

Since I'm using only single stator to drive the motor, I can't expect much gas. I have connected ammeter to measure input draw (battery -> ammeter -> circuit) and output draw (collector -> diode -> ammeter -> cell).

I find input and output amps are almost same (0.1A) using 12VDC as source. For 24VDC as source, input amps still 0.1A but output is 0.2A. For 36VDC as source, input amps still 0.1A but output is 0.3A. I use analog meter to measure the amps so can't measure accurately but can see the differences. When power of the circuit, magnetic rotor still produce power to cell until the rotor fully stop. This is one great advantage using Bedini SSG as battery charger or for electrolysis.

Never ever apply high VDC without load. By doing this, 2N3055 will get fried. I have even tried motorbike spark coil to induce high voltage for electrolysis. I got poor results and that is why I said the amps are the one doing work for electrolysis and not the voltage.

elias
12-19-2007, 07:56 AM
Wow, I love seeing this h !

Did you add a circuit for the sound card oscilloscope to protect the sound card before doing this? If so, I would like to know what you used!

Thanks

I was about to buy an oscilloscope so I decided to buy one that is capable of more functions on the PC, so I bought a PC-based one. It works fine although I burnt out one of the channels by connecting it to a high voltage (about 1000v) mistakenly!!

Elias

theremart
12-19-2007, 10:53 PM
I was about to buy an oscilloscope so I decided to buy one that is capable of more functions on the PC, so I bought a PC-based one. It works fine although I burnt out one of the channels by connecting it to a high voltage (about 1000v) mistakenly!!

Elias

Cool.

Yes, I still remember the day I put the 12V to to 5V on a SCII hard drive. Grey smoke is not my color :eek:

If I may what oscilloscope did you get? I am so tempted to get one.

elias
12-20-2007, 08:14 AM
Cool.

Yes, I still remember the day I put the 12V to to 5V on a SCII hard drive. Grey smoke is not my color :eek:

If I may what oscilloscope did you get? I am so tempted to get one.
Hi

The main advantage of these scopes over the desktop ones:
1- Small in size,
2- Capable of FFT and storage of data
3- Cheap price

The drawbacks:
1- Some may be a bit slow
2- Requires a PC to operate

I got TNM PC BASED DIGITAL STORAGE OSCILLOSCOPE -DSO (http://www.tnmelectronics.com/LptScope.htm), for about 200$, but it may not be available in your country. There are many other types. You can check them out.

Regards
Elias