Berg BAF Circuit

[Berg]

This is the Berg BAF Circuit. BAF for Back And Forth. I was looking at a voltage inverter circuit at Falstad, and it reminded me of Bearden's circuit, so here it is.

It also reminds me of an old style clock mechanism.

For me, I found it worked best with the internet explorer browser.

Circuit Simulator Applet

Here's the URL:

http://www.falstad.com/circuit/#%24+1+5.0E-6+0.09591894571091382+72+5.0+50%0A15

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Enjoy

Berg

[Berg]

Import

If you would like to import it.

$ 1 5.0E-6 0.09591894571091382 72 5.0 50
159 160 96 256 96 0 20.0 1.0E10
159 256 96 352 96 0 20.0 1.0E10
159 160 192 256 192 0 20.0 1.0E10
159 256 192 352 192 0 20.0 1.0E10
w 208 112 208 208 0
w 304 112 304 208 0
w 208 208 208 272 0
w 304 208 304 272 0
I 208 272 304 272 0 0.5
R 208 272 112 272 1 2 1600.0 2.5 2.5 0.0 0.5
w 144 96 160 96 0
w 144 192 160 192 0
w 112 48 416 48 0
w 112 192 144 192 0
s 96 96 144 96 0 0 false
w 112 48 96 48 0
w 96 48 96 96 0
d 352 96 400 96 1 0.805904783
l 256 96 256 192 0 10.0 -5.071472754619005E-5
c 96 128 96 96 0 1.0 0.0010014355938681996
c 96 192 96 160 0 1.0 0.001001435594055522
v 96 160 96 128 0 0 40.0 5.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
w 112 192 96 192 0
w 400 96 416 96 0
w 416 96 416 48 0
w 96 192 96 240 0
w 96 240 80 240 0
w 80 240 80 304 0
w 80 304 96 304 0
d 96 304 176 304 1 0.805904783
w 176 304 352 304 0
w 352 192 352 304 0
o 21 64 0 35 10.0 3.90625E-4 0 -1
o 18 64 0 35 1280.0 3.90625E-4 1 -1

Cheers

[Berg]

BAF Circuit with Load



Here is the BAF Circuit under load via a transformer.

Circuit Simulator Applet


Import:

$ 1 5.0E-6 0.09591894571091382 72 5.0 50
159 288 144 384 144 0 20.0 1.0E10
159 384 144 480 144 0 20.0 1.0E10
159 288 240 384 240 0 20.0 1.0E10
159 384 240 480 240 0 20.0 1.0E10
w 336 160 336 256 0
w 432 160 432 256 0
w 336 256 336 320 0
w 432 256 432 320 0
I 336 320 432 320 0 0.5
R 336 320 240 320 1 2 1600.0 2.5 2.5 0.0 0.5
w 272 144 288 144 0
w 272 240 288 240 0
w 240 96 544 96 0
w 240 240 272 240 0
s 224 144 272 144 0 1 false
w 240 96 224 96 0
w 224 96 224 144 0
d 480 144 528 144 1 0.805904783
l 384 144 384 240 0 10.0 3.2892989619423243E-25
w 240 240 224 240 0
w 528 144 544 144 0
w 544 144 544 96 0
w 224 240 224 288 0
w 224 288 208 288 0
w 208 288 208 352 0
w 208 352 224 352 0
d 224 352 304 352 1 0.805904783
w 304 352 480 352 0
w 480 240 480 352 0
v 224 176 224 144 0 0 40.0 5.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
w 224 240 224 224 0
T 224 176 176 128 0 4.0 1.0 -3.29355572416667E-25 -1.126954794655401E-25 0.999
r 112 176 112 224 0 1000.0
w 176 176 112 176 0
d 112 224 176 224 1 0.805904783
o 18 64 0 35 7.62939453125E-5 9.765625E-5 0 -1
o 32 64 0 35 7.62939453125E-5 9.765625E-5 1 -1
o 29 64 0 35 5.0 9.765625E-5 2 -1

Cheers

[Berg]

Windows Internet Explorer

For me, for some reason, the applet does work well with Foxfire browser, but it works alright for me with Windows Internet Explorer.

Cheers

[Berg]

BAF Circuit with FWBR



This is the BAF Circuit with FWBR.

Circuit Simulator Applet

$ 1 5.0E-6 0.03835315728763107 66 5.0 50
159 336 192 432 192 0 20.0 1.0E10
159 432 192 528 192 0 20.0 1.0E10
159 336 288 432 288 0 20.0 1.0E10
159 432 288 528 288 0 20.0 1.0E10
w 384 208 384 304 0
w 480 208 480 304 0
w 384 304 384 368 0
w 480 304 480 368 0
I 384 368 480 368 0 0.5
R 384 368 288 368 1 2 1600.0 2.5 2.5 0.0 0.5
w 320 192 336 192 0
w 320 288 336 288 0
w 288 144 592 144 0
w 288 288 320 288 0
s 272 192 320 192 0 0 false
w 288 144 272 144 0
w 272 144 272 192 0
d 528 192 576 192 1 0.805904783
l 432 192 432 288 0 10.0 1.0681184180620558E-9
w 288 288 272 288 0
w 576 192 592 192 0
w 592 192 592 144 0
w 272 288 272 336 0
w 272 336 256 336 0
w 256 336 256 400 0
w 256 400 272 400 0
d 272 400 352 400 1 0.805904783
w 352 400 528 400 0
w 528 288 528 400 0
v 272 224 272 192 0 0 40.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
w 272 288 272 272 0
T 272 224 224 176 0 4.0 1.0 -1.0681184104506178E-9 -1.1386639158576979E-5 0.999
w 224 272 160 272 0
s 160 224 224 224 0 0 false
d 96 112 128 80 1 0.805904783
d 128 80 160 112 1 0.805904783
d 96 112 128 144 1 0.805904783
d 128 144 160 112 1 0.805904783
w 128 80 128 48 0
w 128 48 64 48 0
w 64 48 64 272 0
w 64 272 160 272 0
w 160 224 128 224 0
w 128 224 128 144 0
w 96 112 80 112 0
w 80 112 80 176 0
w 80 176 192 176 0
w 160 112 192 112 0
r 192 112 192 176 0 100.0

Cheers

[Berg]

Berg BAF Circuit - Simplified



Berg BAF Circuit Simplified

Engage S1 for a few seconds, then engage S2.

Cheers

[shylo]

hi berg, is the spike , stronger than the ,spike took to create it
Just thinking out loud, seems to help the best
But what do I know.
shylo

[Berg]

Circuit Shylo

hi berg, is the spike , stronger than the ,spike took to create it
Just thinking out loud, seems to help the best
But what do I know.
shylo

If you run the simulation, it runs down.

Here's another circuit you can try. I call it Circuit Shylo.



Charge up the capacitor for a few seconds by engaging S1, then engage S2.

Run Circuit Shylo Simulation

Cheers

[shylo]

That was interesting ,I had to try it a few times.
You can make any shape you want by manipulating the switches
"Then engage S2" You can't engage it you need to ,make and break connection ,almost instantly, but keep the break exteremely close to create an arc flow,then a brief connection.........then repeat.
I 'm not good with circut dia.
shylo

[mbrownn]

Now that you are using a resistance in the circuit it is getting a little more realistic.

Now Consider that your inductor is very large with no resistance, if you reduce the inductance to around 10 to 30mH this would be more realistic especially as your losses then become significant.

Now your problem is that you are getting no work from your inductor. If you use a motor as your inductor you can get mechanical work to power a generator. To symbolize a motor you need an inductor a resistor and a dc power source in series. The DC power source would normally be half the input voltage or more and this is the BEMF.

This is a universal motor being used as a transformer in a similar circuit. The motor is a car starter motor.

$ 1 5.0E-6 38.696464541249114 72 5.0 50
159 240 144 336 144 0 0.01 1.0E10
159 336 144 432 144 0 0.01 1.0E10
159 240 240 336 240 0 0.01 1.0E10
159 336 240 432 240 0 0.01 1.0E10
w 288 160 288 256 0
w 384 160 384 256 0
w 288 256 288 320 0
w 384 256 384 320 0
I 288 320 384 320 0 0.5
R 288 320 208 320 1 2 500.0 2.5 2.5 0.0 0.5
w 176 240 240 240 0
s 176 144 240 144 0 0 false
w 176 96 176 144 0
d 512 96 176 96 1 0.805904783
c 128 240 128 176 0 1.0E-6 -11.999998897728213
v 176 208 176 176 0 0 40.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
w 432 144 448 144 0
w 512 240 512 96 0
w 176 240 176 352 0
w 176 352 448 352 0
w 448 352 448 144 0
w 432 240 512 240 0
w 176 176 176 144 0
w 176 176 128 176 0
r 128 240 176 240 0 0.01
r 176 208 176 240 0 0.2
r 336 208 336 240 0 0.46
v 336 176 336 144 0 0 40.0 6.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
T 336 176 352 208 0 0.001 1.0 -1.4033236794830373E-9 -3.2590463661108515E-10 0.999
w 400 208 560 208 0
d 544 192 560 176 1 0.805904783
d 560 176 576 192 1 0.805904783
d 544 192 560 208 1 0.805904783
d 560 208 576 192 1 0.805904783
w 576 192 576 64 0
w 576 64 128 64 0
w 128 64 128 176 0
w 544 192 544 384 0
w 544 384 128 384 0
w 128 384 128 240 0
w 352 208 400 208 0
w 352 176 400 176 0
w 400 176 560 176 0
o 15 8 0 35 20.0 12.8 0 -1
o 15 8 1 299 114.55561567389984 9.765625000000002E-255 1 -1
o 14 8 0 291 139.98404638611277 1.3998404638611277 2 -1
o 26 64 0 33 1.25 25.6 3 -1
o 27 64 0 289 5.0 25.6 4 -1


As you can see the efficiency is about 35% but there are ways to improve this.

If you want to know how to do it let me know.

[Berg]

The mbrownn Circuit

The mbrownn Circuit

This circuit simulation generates an interesting waveform.

Run Circuit Simulation Requires Java Plugin with your browser.

Momentarily engage S1 to charge up the capacitor, then engage S2 to run the circuit.

Cheers

Berg

[Ein~+ein]

This circuit simulation generates an interesting waveform.

Forgive this attempt at humor, but....
What happens when a circuit simulation you design achieves OU? Does it flash 'overunity' in bright colors allowing you to enter your name in the 'OU Hall of Fame'?

[Berg]

Forgive this attempt at humor, but....
What happens when a circuit simulation you design achieves OU? Does it flash 'overunity' in bright colors allowing you to enter your name in the 'OU Hall of Fame'?

No, nothing like that. Unfortunately, you can't get OU within a closed system. There are some circuit designs that can run in the simulation which show OU, but they're not real and wouldn't work in the real world.

[mbrownn]

I disagree simulators do have the ability to show a second input. Any simulated inductor, just as any real inductor, has to show overunity when pulsed in the right frequency range.

Having said that simulators are much easier to make show overunity than real components.

Real inductors are capable of two types of overunity, the power gained from inductive kickback and the mechanical work done by magnetism. This magnetism is present in both the input power and the inductive kickback power.

Our problem lays with our inductors as the efficiency tends to be quite low with our magnetic power as does the electrical when we are using the magnetism. It may well be that there is some sort of trade off between the two outputs but I don't think that is impossible to overcome to some degree.

In an ideal inductor the inductive kickback is equel in power to the input. COP=2 therefore the magnetic power also is doubled, COP=4. In the real world we have ohmic losses, iron losses etc which reduce the outputs to around 35% so in effect we only get 70% efficiency.

Now we add another function to our inductor, that is a transformer action. we do not have anymore iron losses as that was taken up by the previous function and we get another output less the ohmic loss on the extra winding giving our output close to 170% theoretical. Of course in the real world we have a trade off between the inductive kickback and the transformer action but we are still in the region of 125 to 130% efficiency.

Study your SSG or Bedini fan and you will see this. In the SSG the transformer action is only used for the trigger and so isn't an output as such but it should be.

Using the same principals on an off the shelf motor we have BEMF to contend with so a motor redesign is needed. An induction motor already has the transformer action built into it as does a universal motor but with the universal motor the energy is wasted.

I have redesigned the Universal motor to dramatically reduce BEMF and take advantage of the transformer action. I don't have the thing in overunity but I am creating the conditions to make it possible.

An induction motor may prove easier to do but I have not been working on that so I cant be sure.

Sorry if I am getting off topic but Im trying to get this info out there.

We need to combine motoring, transforming and inductive kickback actions to get in the ball park.