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miki02131
09-30-2012, 01:22 PM
This story is fresh from Peswiki's News Hopper. Can anyone fill me in? Not that I want to be nosy, I just find the story hard to believe. Could there be any truth to this?

rickoff
09-30-2012, 05:45 PM
If you look in the Peswiki News Hopper you will find that there isn't any story - not yet, anyways. If you're curious then why not ask Friedrich directly, rather than look for third party explanations? You could go to his YouTube channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCRtfo5Y95s) and post your question there. In any case, why have you posted this 3 times?

Aaron
09-30-2012, 07:35 PM
Miki,

There is absolutely NO reason to post 3 times.

miki02131
09-30-2012, 10:34 PM
Aaron,

The three posts weren't intentional. The website was returning a fail to upload database error. I thought the first post wasn't going go through so I resubmitted it. I got discouraged and stopped on my third attempt. Surprisingly, I returned to the website to find all three posts.

Now that you know my three posts weren't intentional, can you use your insider status to give us an update on this issue? Can you at least confirm whether this story is true or false?

Thanks,

Miki.

Aaron
09-30-2012, 11:24 PM
Ok.

TRUE, but I would title it Bedini's separation from Rick Friedrich for it to be accurate instead of Rick Friedrich separation from Bedini.

The way it is listed on Sterling's site as "Rick Friedrich separation from Bedini" implies that it was Rick that was wanting to distance himself from John and the complete opposite is true. I can tell you that as an absolute fact that I know first hand.

I'm not going to reveal anything about this situation here and will just wait to see what Sterling releases.

Just remember that John has done nothing but support Rick from the beginning and there are THOUSANDS of people that know this to be the case.

John_Bedini
09-30-2012, 11:48 PM
@ALL,
Just let me say Aaron is telling you the truth, and I have not had my say in any of this.
Once again Sterling has not asked me a thing about what happened. I have been very silent here to see what happens. Your Right Rickoff ask the source if you want to know.
I can tell it will be twisted in every way. But we will wait and see. Reporting is not one sided except with Sterling.

ibpointless2
10-01-2012, 03:55 PM
Your Right Rickoff ask the source if you want to know.

I was curious as to what had happen so I ask Rick. Rick only told me that he was kicked off of his own Yahoo groups for no reason. This is all I know.

stonewater
10-01-2012, 05:41 PM
I was curious as to what had happen so I ask Rick. Rick only told me that he was kicked off of his own Yahoo groups for no reason. This is all I know.


wait for JB..... it will all be clear eventually.

John_Bedini
10-01-2012, 06:39 PM
Ibpointless2,
First, I may have disagreements with you but, you have no idea what took place and should stay out of this dispute. The yahoo groups were given to me by Rick and many people know that. Rick said he was going to take them down so I moved everybody to the Energy Science Forum. Why don't you ask around and see what has happened in the past with Rick, your a one sided reporter too. You bet I locked him out, and how could I do that if I did not own them, and why would you destroy all the work people put on the groups for years. The groups were given to me by Rick as he did not have time for them as he said to me and others here, many times. So now that we have this straight you can go on your marry way making your "Clean Battery", just stay out of this because you do not know anything that has taken place in the past. I wont say anything more until I see what he or whoever has written. I do not believe Rick has said anything, someone else did and that would be third party information. So I expect you to talk up a storm with your friend the Great Sea Monkey and he will give you the answer, and you'll believe it. And another thing do not come back with an answer like, John that is so "Hurtful", because you have done a lot of hurtful things to me in the past about my work.
You need to go read the book Pinocchio and then, Dick & Jane to find out who you are. Then go check out if I did not save them by spending my own money, because you gave nothing towards it ,but you use it. Go see if John is not working that Forum.

Energy Science Forum (http://www.energyscienceforum.com/)

ibpointless2
10-01-2012, 08:06 PM
Ibpointless2,
First, I may have disagreements with you but, you have no idea what took place and should stay out of this dispute. The yahoo groups were given to me by Rick and many people know that. Rick said he was going to take them down so I moved everybody to the Energy Science Forum. Why don't you ask around and see what has happened in the past with Rick, your a one sided reporter too. You bet I locked him out, and how could I do that if I did not own them, and why would you destroy all the work people put on the groups for years. The groups were given to me by Rick as he did not have time for them as he said to me and others here, many times. So now that we have this straight you can go on your marry way making your "Clean Battery", just stay out of this because you do not know anything that has taken place in the past. I wont say anything more until I see what he or whoever has written. I do not believe Rick has said anything, someone else did and that would be third party information. So I expect you to talk up a storm with your friend the Great Sea Monkey and he will give you the answer, and you'll believe it. And another thing do not come back with an answer like, John that is so "Hurtful", because you have done a lot of hurtful things to me in the past about my work.
You need to go read the book Pinocchio and then, Dick & Jane to find out who you are. Then go check out if I did not save them by spending my own money, because you gave nothing towards it ,but you use it. Go see if John is not working that Fourm.

Energy Science Forum (http://www.energyscienceforum.com/)


John Please stop this. I clearly don't know you or Rick but what i do know is from your and his videos. You two from the video's seem great together. The work you put out and he put out about the motors and radiant energy are great work. I always love the lawnmower Rick built using your technology. Please, I'm not here to bash you or give disinformation, I'm only here because I have concern. I may not know the full story but i'm not the only one and I want to know what is going on as I don't want this to stop you guys from continuing your great work on the motors. John I'm really not a bad guy, but this not about me. :)

I took your advice and I talked to rick directly on YouTube PM's. That was all he told me.

here is what he said.
12194

John_Bedini
10-01-2012, 09:58 PM
Ibpointless2,
Right you don't know, and yes you may have concern, but why?. You never cared before, why now? First of all it's all my technology and I can do what I want with it, they are my Patents and circuits and they belong to this company and I will enforce it if need be, do not sell me short. Rick made a good living off me with my work in energy field. He was given the opportunity to excel with this technology, He had the run of the shop and the lab. He did not have the right to say anything to my employees at any time and he was warned by me several times, " BY ME". YES, I KICKED HIM OFF AND I WOULD DO IT AGAIN, I'M NOT A Horse's Ass, with any of this technology. Go read the radiant oscillator section on the new forum and you see what happened.

ibpointless2
10-02-2012, 01:23 AM
Ibpointless2,
Right you don't know, and yes you may have concern, but why?. You never cared before, why now? First of all it's all my technology and I can do what I want with it, they are my Patents and circuits and they belong to this company and I will enforce it if need be, do not sell me short. Rick made a good living off me with my work in energy field. He was given the opportunity to excel with this technology, He had the run of the shop and the lab. He did not have the right to say anything to my employees at any time and he was warned by me several times, " BY ME". YES, I KICKED HIM OFF AND I WOULD DO IT AGAIN, I'M NOT A Horse's Ass, with any of this technology. Go read the radiant oscillator section on the new forum and you see what happened.
Just for starters.

Peter L and I were doing the work on the oscillators, It had to do with solar charging in very low light. We wanted this unit on the back of the Solar Panels, so we needed 80% Eff or more to do this, just as was measured by Stan. You could parallel these units for power in low light. The unit we gave Stan was under trust to test for us, Stan was wrong as it was a COP>1 with the panels in low light or moon light. The Patent even says that. But you can see what happen here and why I put the information away until the Patent was issued. And you can see they never made it work the same, Stan destroyed the transistor and the compound on the chip and should have studied this a little more on solar panels.But this is the history of what happened. Here, This is the history of the SG Radiant Oscillator and how things get stolen even when you have people you trust to be helping you We were also studying the negative effects and had built a machine to measure transistors, we just did not guess at this we measured it. And built oscillators Rick and the rest of the gang never have seen. So you know the story of why now.
You go make up your own mind as to what happened after a much longer time. This is the history of the SG Radiant Oscillator and how things get stolen even when you have people you trust to be helping you (http://www.johnbedini.net/john34/history.htm)
The SG Radiant Oscillator - Page 2 (http://www.energyscienceforum.com/sg-radiant-oscillator/125-sg-radiant-oscillator-2.html)



John I always cared about your work with radiant energy. I even bought the 6 inch fan kit from your site as well as the DVD's too. You can't say i never contributed anything because i've given my hard earned money to buy your DVD's and kits. I haven't gotten time to mess with the kit yet but here it is https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/14N4teyzjKmgywlV0_k_Lz9Mb_eQ7jDS15s6UeZ9qwms/edit


But you're right, they should never have gone behind you back like that. I can understand why you don't want to release things to the public.

Is it true that you got a solar panel to work off of moon light?

John_Bedini
10-02-2012, 01:59 AM
Ibpointless2,
That may be true, but I have never sold anything others did and I would not know that, so I apologize for that. I have decided to leave this alone until I see what Rick has said if he said anything. It all could be a play on Ricks part. We do not know what has gone on. But I do know that something is not right. And I do thank you for your concern but now is not a good time.I do hope you discover something. And I know your not a bad guy. So keep working you will hit it big.

ibpointless2
10-02-2012, 02:08 AM
I do hope you discover something. And I know your not a bad guy. So keep working you will hit it big.

Thank you John, that really means a lot to me. :)

stonewater
10-02-2012, 05:15 AM
Miki, Ib, everyone,

I am not sure how to approach this. I do not want to slander, libel or be guilty of heresay in this matter. I will say that I have experience as an independent 3rd party observer of the relationship between JB, energenx and Rennaissance. what I am sharing here is MY personal exerience, and mine alone.

I moderated the monopole groups for over 5 years, provided free tech support for the kits and rennaissance products thru the monopole forums, and worked for free at all but one of the rennaissance conventions, which I could not attend. some of the other moderators put much more time in than I did, flew much farther and deserve way more credit for what they did than I. Josh, Erik, John K and luther worked their tails off at the 2011 convention, it was amazing to see them work!! all of them are men I am proud to call friend.

what I am trying to say is that I can speak with clarity on this matter. Rennaissance charge is in this situation directly because of the business decisions that were made, and the results of those decisions are coming home.

as I made my personal decisions concerning my continued involvement with energenx, and Rennaissance, I spoke with many people connected with both, including people from China, south america and europe. this included customers from the lower 48 and canada, alaska, hawaii, and many european countries. while on the monopole forums I handled hundreds of rennaissance related private messages and correspondence, all forwarded directly to Rennaissance.

I also spoke with others not directly involved but who had done business with both in the past.

the yahoo monopole forums were closed by John who was the owner, as they all have his name on them. rick was planning on shutting them down anyway, he told us the moderators, and some of the group members at the 2011 convention. the mods did not wish such a huge resevoir of info and time wasted. John found about about this and did not want this to happen.

with that being said, John wanted to get everyone over to his new forum style which he was more comfortable with, so he could be certain that what was being done and said was in line with his technology and patents. a lot of things went wrong with the kits sold by rennaissance, and we are in the process of trying to straighten that out. Rick was the go between between us and Johns technology for a very long time.

John went out and purchased the software, and the hosting with sufficient bandwidth and asked Aaron to set it up. His forum, which is also run by Aaron is energyscienceforum.com Rick had stopped visiting the yahoo groups months prior, and the moderators were running the groups almost exclusively without Ricks involvement for almost a year.

I do not expect that rennaissance will be allowed to license Johns technology much longer, but that is only my, repeat MY personal opinion. the relationship between the 2 companies is business primarily first and foremost. I would suggest we allow John to deal with Rennaissance contractually as he sees fit, and hopefully when this is all done John's name will not be tarnished by the decisions of others. I have tried to be fair and honest in this post and simply want all to understand that this is business first and foremost, and I believe John is doing what is right in this matter.

please come visit the new forum, we have a lot of exciting things happening there. please also support Aaron and John by donating to the forums if you find value in them.

Tom C

wrtner
10-02-2012, 03:05 PM
This reminds me of two caterwailing foxes sitting on
a wall. The Yahoo group did a useful job, and arguably,
its structure is more beneficial, especialy to beginners.

I say this in case anyone cares.

John_Bedini
10-02-2012, 03:58 PM
Wrtner,
Yes this may be right but the foxes have been around for a very long time, you mean Caterwauling. It can sometime be noisy in the forums. You may have been around for a long time watching. I have watched my whole life people try to take things where this energy is concerned. I have always tried to give the most information I could, what is done behind my back I can not control, it's just life. You and I will not live long enough to make the mistakes over again where this is concerned. So yes, Caterwauling is one prime example. What has happened is done and we can not do anything about it, it just wont happen again with me. If that means lack of information on some things or letting people in a lab to see things, I can handle that with no access to anything. I have watched the fly's buzzing around to pick up the pieces of every technology, it's history now. So call this what you will. If you ask a question you may not like what you here. That is why this should have never been posted here without the story in print of what was said. People are just assuming and you know what that means.

miki02131
10-02-2012, 06:25 PM
John,

The reason I started this thread is because I was under the impression the Peswiki's header was meant to be a joke. I just couldn't picture you and Rick separated. All I know it will be hard to find another cheerleader like this one in this lifetime. This is coming from a guy who is no fan of Rick as you should know by now.

Can you address these questions:

1- Did Rick fall from grace because he became disillusioned with your technologies due to the fact his research could not support the claims of OU?
2-Did you kick him out because he started telling people about his findings and the lack of OU from your technologies?
3-Did Rick refuse to share with you the profit from selling the bedini kits and other bedini related technologies?

Thanks,
Miki.

John_K
10-02-2012, 09:29 PM
John,

The reason I started this thread is because I was under the impression the Peswiki's header was meant to be a joke. I just couldn't picture you and Rick separated. All I know it will be hard to find another cheerleader like this one in this lifetime. This is coming from a guy who is no fan of Rick as you should know by now.

Can you address these questions:

1- Did Rick fall from grace because he became disillusioned with your technologies due to the fact his research could not support the claims of OU?
2-Did you kick him out because he started telling people about his findings and the lack of OU from your technologies?
3-Did Rick refuse to share with you the profit from selling the bedini kits and other bedini related technologies?

Thanks,
Miki.

Miki, you gotta be kidding me. Are you helping Sterling write this story? :rofl:

Let it go, what has happened between Rick and John is purely business between them and should not be dragged out into the public domain. Business partners across the world separate every day, it's no big deal.

There is nothing wrong with John's technology, if you can't get OU then you didn't build it right. I know that as fact, proven on the bench many times.

John has already shared more than anybody needs to know, let's wait until Sterling actually writes more than one sentence, or is he recruiting people to get the information for him?:thinking:

It's funny, you started the thread on tesla_and_beyond and also the thread here and then you ask questions like a reporter. What's going on Miki?

:cheers:
John K.

P.S. Sorry John, I said I wouldn't get involved but I couldn't resist this one.

Gav
10-02-2012, 11:26 PM
this thread should be deleted or locked, people that have nothing to do with this should not get involved.

John_Bedini
10-03-2012, 12:22 AM
John K,
Thank you, you must all understand No more will be said on this page from me as It is just a business decision I have already said that this is going to be one sided reporting. If Sterling wants to know let him ask and I still will not talk to him It's all about traffic. It's not about energy.


Go watch this. Watch and see how you have wasted your time on BS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if0yPIfZjR0

gandyman
10-03-2012, 09:54 AM
JB and all involved I am realy sad to read all this.
But I have seen often friendships get broken, anyway, life go's on...

But a question becouse I am mixed up.
Are there 2 compagny's ?
1 from rick and 1 from John ?

Is this compagny/shop (Renaissance Charge) from you John ?
With I find ad r-charge.net ?

If not where can I find your shop ?
Becouse I was on the point to buy more parts....

wrtner
10-03-2012, 10:58 AM
What has happened is done and we can not do anything about it.

If you search this site for the name of the Yahoo group in question,
you will find a dozen or more occasions where I have said that it is
the place to go for beginners working on an SSG, a good entry level
project.

The Yahoo group structure has great benefits (and snags), and
people are not confronted with a vast number of threads and not
knowing how to navigate. The daily digest is handy.

This cancellation has not helped ab initio beginners.

Paul-R.

p.s. Caterwauling eh? We learn something new every day. But my
foxes definitely wail.

Aaron
10-03-2012, 04:30 PM
JB and all involved I am realy sad to read all this.
But I have seen often friendships get broken, anyway, life go's on...

But a question becouse I am mixed up.
Are there 2 compagny's ?
1 from rick and 1 from John ?

Is this compagny/shop (Renaissance Charge) from you John ?
With I find ad r-charge.net ?

If not where can I find your shop ?
Becouse I was on the point to buy more parts....

John's company is EnergenX and Rick's Renaissance Charge simply private labeled the chargers under the Renaissance name. But all the charger's labels are going to the EnergenX name now bit by bit.

I can vouch for what Tom is saying about customer service for free for Rick because we do the same at Tesla Chargers. I have received countless email from people over the years asking for customer service because they could never reach anyone at Renaissance. We still help them out even though they're not our customers and because of this, many have vowed to only do business with Tesla Chargers (http://teslachargers.com) from now on. That is where you can get all the chargers (with top customer support by the way).

You mention buying "more parts" - for what? Motor kits, etc...? A full shopping cart with all components, wire, magnesium rods, etc... will all be available in a new shopping cart over at Energy Science Forum (http://energyscienceforum.com) very soon.

Aaron
10-03-2012, 04:33 PM
The Yahoo group structure has great benefits (and snags), and
people are not confronted with a vast number of threads and not
knowing how to navigate. The daily digest is handy.


All those Yahoo monopole groups are closed but the info is preserved for reference.

In this forum and Energy Science Forum, anyone can subscribe to threads and get similar updates on discussions as the daily digest in their email.

John_Bedini
10-03-2012, 06:02 PM
@All,
Let's just say that Energenx owns all the technology and we service everything we make here. I own the patents and all related technology. I'm the one that can pick and chose where it goes. All along the people have got an extreme amount of information from me. If this is just a hobby for you do not expect you will always get the same results as you do not put the time in that I do. If on the other hand you want view this as a soap opera, you need to watch TV. I have watched Sterlings reporting he has never gathered the facts it's always one sided even when proof is presented to him. How do I know this, because he did it to me with Howard Johnson in a bogus article that he never checked out. Did he retract it NO. Did he call me, NO . The same thing has occurred since the SG groups, he just let people beat me silly and then kicked me off when I fought back. I just made one phone call and said, it's my technology and you cant use it and the group went down. Whatever you think of me is your own right. I do everything by the book with this company, so no one person here is going to change my mind about anything. Rick is gone and just leave it at that, it is nobody's business what happened here, it's my company and I will do what I want, if you do not like that then pop up with the money to buy the company, then you will have a say, until that time go off somewhere else and make trouble. This is not run by committee here of czars, it's run by me, I will do what I want, go find something else to talk about. Rick gave me the groups that he did not want, and I would do the same thing again to save information. Stop complaining about OU unless you do the work to make it happen, stop complaining about you did not get the information, you did get the information many times. Go find something to do and save yourself since you all talk the story as the experts, make something happen in your life.

gandyman
10-03-2012, 08:45 PM
@Aaron,

thx for explaning.
Why I ask was becouse I see how angry John is, and wen I buy now things ad r-charge.net and it went down between now and a few weeks or so, then I lose my money.
and the kit/parts are not so cheep.

So I wil wait until the shop from John is ready.

@John,
I am 56 years and see how angry and frustrated you are, it is dripping from my screen.
I have had the same as you and you know what ?
I was only frustrated and could not function realy well.
So I forget it all and went on...
It is a waste from energy, and becouse we al want you to stay around for the next 150 years stop with beeing angry...
think positive and think aboud your heart ..

BTW I am Dutch so forgive me my bad Englisch :cheers:

John_Bedini
10-03-2012, 10:24 PM
Gandyman,
Yes you know how it feels, so what parts do you want, If I have them I will help you.
John B

Aaron
10-04-2012, 12:01 AM
@Aaron,

thx for explaning.
Why I ask was becouse I see how angry John is, and wen I buy now things ad r-charge.net and it went down between now and a few weeks or so, then I lose my money.
and the kit/parts are not so cheep.

So I wil wait until the shop from John is ready.



Gandyman,

If you go to John's homepage: Welcome to John Bedini (http://johnbedini.net) or his forum
Energy Science Forum (http://energyscienceforum.com) - you can see the link to Tesla Chargers
that is where you can get the chargers right now.

For "parts", kits or anything else, that will be ready in the near future thru
his forum.

stargate22
10-04-2012, 12:56 AM
The german's have a saying..."die Wahrheit kommt herum"

"Truth in Heart"...in a business setting :cool:











I knew it was coming!

gandyman
10-04-2012, 08:38 AM
Gandyman,
Yes you know how it feels, so what parts do you want, If I have them I will help you.
John B

I wil send you a pm John.

@Aaron
I follow John a great many years and have these links in my bookmark, and you find my registration in the new forum :thumbsup:

wrtner
10-04-2012, 04:15 PM
All those Yahoo monopole groups are closed but the info is preserved for reference.

In this forum and Energy Science Forum, anyone can subscribe to threads..l.
Yes, thousands of them, all buried deep.

There must be 100 threads dealing with SSG and Bedini/Watson, FEG
type enquiries. The joy of Yahoo is that you get them all together but
they can be separated if needed.

- Less is more -

John_Bedini
10-04-2012, 06:12 PM
Wrtner,
That is the problem is it not, plain and simple instructions are not followed by people. It is very frustrating when trying to explain about a machine or batteries. No matter what you do they will never build the same, so you have results all over the place and nothing works. The Meg group is the same and nothing gets done. The lurkers are the only people that do things and never talk about it. They do not use their name for fear of the company they work for finding out, I know I have them call me most of the time with questions. Plain and simple, people do not read what has been posted. The yahoo groups keep changing and becoming more intrusive, I for one do not want that, I'm not going to change my browser or e-mail every 10 minutes, big spy network, same with facebook. The VBoard you can control without all of that. The Meg people will never get it to work Like Bearden did, how do I know that I did the transformer arrangements, it was part of the G-Field experimental arrangements in the beginning. Go and think about it. The engineers work for you know who. Most people do not know how many of these people I worked with, do they. You can not do this work as a hobby, it's a full time job. You can't make changes because you think you know better, that is why all the failures. Take as an example, Miki here, reporting on a story that did not appear, look at the disruption it caused on this big social network of soap opera viewers, hope they were eating popcorn and drinking a gigantic coke. It shows what it is about, focus on rumors, you will find none except a few. If you expect to get anywhere in this field you better do it full time and take the beating the inventors take, or just go shut up as an expert at nothing. People have spent years of their life looking for the little particle of Zero Point Energy, there is no such thing just another buzz word to confuse people. The physical laws can be tricked and that is where the Free Energy comes from and that is it. Nothing new under the SUN, it's been here before, and it will be here again, with a different name on it. You either dedicate your life to this field or just please get out of it, and if that means you starve, so be it. I have had my mail opened and checks taken out, I have been warned and pushed agents the wall having a gun pointed at me and told to buy gasoline. Where were all you people to help? Why should I help, except I see a little flicker in people and have faith it will change someday is the only thing that keeps me going, and I still take the beatings by the so called experts, you know the one time builders and masters of nothing except motor mouthing on a social network.

John_K
10-04-2012, 09:51 PM
"hope they were eating popcorn and drinking a gigantic coke." :rofl:

John, that brought back some funny memories.

But you're right, people always think they can bake a better cake than Betty Crocker. Replicate first, then innovate!

Totally agree abut the spy networks. I read an interview with Zuckerberg that they are already selling everyone's private info to anyone with a big enough check book. We don't need detectives anymore, people just volunteer information all day, every day.

They already know I eat omelettes every Saturday and every web site I ever visited. Got a smartphone? They know exactly where you are every minute of the day.

John K.

stonewater
10-05-2012, 12:08 AM
I will say this openly and candidly, Bedini Tech works, every time, if you build it right. there was a machine at the last conference it was way over unity. it is done.
Tom C

SkyWatcher
10-05-2012, 01:55 AM
Hi all, have no fear as that is illusion and so is so called death by starvation.
All is energy and it is quite the irony that the energy of fear or survival is the very impediment to what most all of us really want, which is abundance, freedom, peace, joy without enslaving strings attached.
Have any of you folks noticed, this realm uses fear in many forms, though ultimately it is the fear of the so called death of ones body, which is only the garment we use for this game (play) we are engaged in.
Fear not, in any shape or form, as that will not help the objective, no matter what belief and visual or experiential evidence some may have to the contrary.
Think about this and take your time, if beings need to use force and guns in your face, that is evidence to me of massive bluff.
They do this to get you into the fear energy vibration, then your creator power is diminished and they are able to control you and your energetic signature.
Otherwise, they have no ability to get to you, even though your eyes and experience appear to tell you otherwise, which is why the heavy handed bluff approach.
They need one to believe they have the power, by the seeming ability to take your garment (body).
Take the leap of faith off the building as neo did in matrix and you will see there is no thing to fear but your own mind.
peace love light
tyson:sun:

tachyoncatcher
10-05-2012, 02:18 AM
Mr Bedini,
I am sorry for your loss. You have had your share. I just wanted to say, Thank You! Your information and technology has inspired me. I have had a lot of fun while learning a LOT about this technology from your energizer. Thank you for sharing. If I ever get back to Coeur d'Alene, the beer is on me. :cheers: Those Steelhead runs are fantastic!
Randy

John_Bedini
10-05-2012, 02:32 AM
Ok, now I see we are going to get into the spiritual end of it, with the leap of faith. Ok fine with me. Except you will starve and suffer all the way down and they will shoot you and your family. So yes that is the way they do it. Has not changed since the beginning of time, never will. They nailed up Christ and two others, what did that feel like until death?

John_Bedini
10-05-2012, 03:28 AM
Skywatcher, and tachyoncatcher
The beer will be on me, just making talk with you. nothing to do at this time.


Mr Bedini,
I am sorry for your loss. You have had your share. I just wanted to say, Thank You! Your information and technology has inspired me. I have had a lot of fun while learning a LOT about this technology from your energizer. Thank you for sharing. If I ever get back to Coeur d'Alene, the beer is on me. :cheers: Those Steelhead runs are fantastic!
Randy

SkyWatcher
10-05-2012, 09:02 AM
Hi folks, Hi john, just conversing as well and only speak what i have because of direct experiences i have had.
If one wishes to call it spiritual, then that is fine, though there is far more than meets the eye to this reality, not saying you don't already know this, just pointing it out.
If you feel your message will create a positive constructive outcome, then that is fine also.
We all have varying perspectives and life would be rather odd, if we all had the same.
I built a few of the devices you've shared and they work well and I am grateful for your efforts and sharing.
The SSG mountain bike wheel i made is rejuvenating batteries very well and hope to see some 1 to 4 charging and even without that, it's still a very useful device.
peace love light
tyson:sun:

miki02131
10-05-2012, 11:19 AM
Hi John,

You might think this is a soap opera but it's not. This story reveals much more as one begins to analyze the facts that are made available. It says a lot about the nature of the free energy world. Why was Rick promoting your tech as being OU beyond a doubt when he himself he didn't believe so? Also, why are accusing Sterling as being one-sided when you refuse to answer tough questions publicly and openly? you and Rick need to present your sides of the story in order to have fair and balance reporting. If you guys don't talk how can people ever no the truth. Again this is more than a soap opera. This is all about OU.

thanks,

Miki.

citfta
10-05-2012, 12:10 PM
Miki,

You are making a lot of accusations without any evidence to back them up. Where did you get the idea Rick doesn't believe in OU? Why do you think someone owes you an explanation? This was a business relationship that didn't work out. I have been in the same situation myself. I certainly didn't feel like I owed anyone else an explanation as for why the partnership ended. It is none of our business why John and Rick split up. Don't you get that yet. It has nothing to do with any of us unless we ordered some parts and didn't get them. Does someone owe you some parts or money back? If not then what is your problem? I don't have any stake whatsoever in any of this. I am just tired of your comments when it is obvious you are only trying to stir up trouble.

Aaron would you please close this thread. It is serving no purpose at all.

Respectfully,
Carroll

miki02131
10-05-2012, 02:18 PM
cifta,

Any thread that you personally don't like, any thread that has no purpose to you personally should be closed? This says a lot about your psyche. I challenge you to show any disrespect, or any personal attack that would warrant a thread closure. Welcome to the 21st century! Welcome to the internet age!

Does the term "circumstantial evidence" ring a bell? If it doesn't, don't blame other people for that.

If I were to accept the notion that we human can trick the laws of nature in order to make OU happen, you would be more than happy to support this thread. Guess what? Only "God" has the power to manipulate the laws of nature and if he ever tries, he will quickly find out that he has altered the properties of this universe permanently and irreversibly.

Thanks,
Miki.

citfta
10-05-2012, 03:13 PM
Miki,

If you want to start a thread about why you don't believe in OU then go ahead and start it instead of trying to stick your nose into a business decision that has absolutely nothing to do with you. I personally don't care whether you believe in OU or not. That is not any of MY business. You keep bringing that up as if you thought someone cared about your opinion of OU. None of that has anything to do with John's and Rick's decisions about their business arrangement. Go start a thread that has some purpose instead of ranting about a business decision you were not involved in.

I have a thread started for technical discussion of projects on this forum. If you want to go there and explain why you don't believe in OU then you are welcome to state you case.

Carroll

stonewater
10-05-2012, 04:48 PM
cifta,

Any thread that you personally don't like, any thread that has no purpose to you personally should be closed? This says a lot about your psyche. I challenge you to show any disrespect, or any personal attack that would warrant a thread closure. Welcome to the 21st century! Welcome to the internet age!

Does the term "circumstantial evidence" ring a bell? If it doesn't, don't blame other people for that.

If I were to accept the notion that we human can trick the laws of nature in order to make OU happen, you would be more than happy to support this thread. Guess what? Only "God" has the power to manipulate the laws of nature and if he ever tries, he will quickly find out that he has altered the properties of this universe permanently and irreversibly.

Thanks,
Miki.

this is absolutely laughable :rofl: :rofl: the whole post, go troll for something else. God has not visited me to tell me I have altered the "laws" of the universe. Geez dude, get a grip. lee and yang nobel prize for poynting flow? chungs negative Resistor, dollards multivibrator, scalar tech does not violate any laws. quaternion math, telsa, do I need to go on, its there if you would open your eyes. Lets see, God violates his own laws? duh He is God he can do whatever he wants the same way a police officer can speed and not give himself a ticket........ he has a higher set of laws he obeys. God has deeper insights into the universe and can manipulate them as he sees fit. I am not arrogant enough to say there is no God.

my stuff works, said and done. miki I do not need you or anyone else to tell me my experiments are laughable, I get more out than in consistently, every time.:fingerdance:

circumstantial evidence is based on an a priori framework that causes you to take your suppositions to their illogical conclusion. :wall: :wall: :wall:

leave it alone, its not about O.U. its about business. if you dont think John's tech works, then go somewhere else, I will continue to power life with it.

Tom C

John_Bedini
10-05-2012, 05:17 PM
Miki02131,
What is your real name?, Oh, Oh, Oh miki. when your told early on by Sterling that I'm going to make you look bad, what does that mean miki.When you write a story that is bogus as many know including Rick what does that mean? No one person can make life decisions for me, not even you, As I said you were not here to see anything. Go make your claim somewhere else in what you believe. Miki, I was here long before you and Sterling in this field and have worked with some of the best. I watched what was done to Tom Bearden by Sterling, I lived what was done to me. Business is business, so just stop talking like a man with a paper ass-hole. If you have information then it is one sided, is it not. If you have all the information then tell everybody here what you believe to have happned. I have figured you out from the beginning as to what you were trying to do, it wont work. "Your not this world class reporter on any of this". If you can not make something work then it's your own mind blocks . Rick is Rick and John is John, it does not mean I must continue to do anything with him. It's none of your business about anything. You have a bogus story here and your trying to get answers from me, but I see through you. Take heed, as your trying to destroy someone life here and it may not work like you have planed. Mind your own business before you regret it. Nobody will listen to you after this as you will be the one that cried Wolf. I for one have no use for you as I know the tricks and what your trying to do with my life and Ricks. Go seek guidance somewhere, your words can not hurt me one little bit.
Take everybody's advise and get out while you can, because your not going to like what is going to happen out of all this crap. Again, YOUR NO WORLD CLASS REPORTER, just a little man that sits behind a computer typing away at meaningless crap with a bogus name. Go do some real work.

miki02131
10-05-2012, 05:30 PM
Tom,

That's it. I am going to have Sterling develop and publish that story. He will contact Rick who will provide his side. He will also contact John who already stated he will decline to talk to him. As a result, the story will reflect Rick's viewpoint only. When it makes Peswiki's front page, then come back here and tell me it was all personal business. Let's see how you like that.

Thanks,

Miki out.

chuck H
10-05-2012, 06:19 PM
Tom,

That's it. I am going to have Sterling develop and publish that story. He will contact Rick who will provide his side. He will also contact John who already stated he will decline to talk to him. As a result, the story will reflect Rick's viewpoint only. When it makes Peswiki's front page, then come back here and tell me it was all personal business. Let's see how you like that.

Thanks,

Miki out.

Miki or whoever you think you may be, you are just a bottom feeder! mabye you should try doing something positive in life to help mankind like John does! It may be a tuff change for you but coming to the surface to see the real light is not realy that hard to do!

Chuck H

John_Bedini
10-05-2012, 06:28 PM
Miki02131,
Make sure your name is on it, I will decline to talk about any of this, it will stay as a one sided story. Now everybody knows what you do.

stonewater
10-05-2012, 07:01 PM
Tom,

That's it. I am going to have Sterling develop and publish that story. He will contact Rick who will provide his side. He will also contact John who already stated he will decline to talk to him. As a result, the story will reflect Rick's viewpoint only. When it makes Peswiki's front page, then come back here and tell me it was all personal business. Let's see how you like that.

Thanks,

Miki out.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: who cares :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

so sterling is your lapdog now? I think he can decide for himself how to pursue this, and what is in the best interest of his enterprise.



Dude get a life please, go help some homeless people, feed some hungry people, go build a house with habitat for humanity, go to haiti and shovel some concrete. but please stop, your giving us a headache......

do some experiments get out there and work to free humanity from the clutches of fossil fuels...


Tom C

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Mario
10-05-2012, 07:26 PM
Miki,

WHAT makes you think what's happened between John and Rick is of any of your or anyone else's business? It's John's company right? Why should any of his decisions be of your concern??? What do you want?

I'll try and say it nicely:) Why don't you simply shut up and get the F*** out of here troll.

Mario

Aaron
10-05-2012, 09:36 PM
you and Rick need to present your sides of the story in order to have fair and balance reporting.

I don't think anyone needs to be told what they need to do. If one side is reported, it is only the intellectually dishonest that will buy the story without hearing the other side and that kind of person obviously isn't someone we want to associate with.

If I were to accept the notion that we human can trick the laws of nature in order to make OU happen, you would be more than happy to support this thread. Guess what? Only "God" has the power to manipulate the laws of nature and if he ever tries, he will quickly find out that he has altered the properties of this universe permanently and irreversibly

You had an issue with the facts about OU years ago in the yahoo groups. Why are you even here wasting your time this many years later because you obviously have your mind already made up? You and I had plenty of back and forths way back then. I think a rational person, who really didn't believe in OU that long ago would have been long gone. Based on the facts of what OU is and isn't, it only shows that you have never been able to actually comprehend it because of a lack of understanding of what it actually means - and part of the actual meaning shows that any "laws of nature" you believe to be rock solid are wrong - and were all written by men - not God.

Please take Carroll's advice and post your anti-OU beliefs elsewhere - another thread or another forum. There have been plenty that have come before you and there will never be an end to the "skeptics". Do the math on a bouncing rubber ball and add up all the FXD (force X distance) for all the bounces including the input work to lift it and compare that work to only the work that was input - it destroys every skeptic's argument 100% of the time. There is no skeptic on the planet that can argue the math or the logic.

Skepticism about something that is so naturally plentiful and blatant in our world is a psychological problem rooted in fear and it has outcroppings that manifest as low self esteem and other issues. Am I saying you have a psychological problem? Well, seeing that you're still here close to a decade later spending all this time with content and people involved in OU research and you still don't believe any of it reveals a whole encyclopedia about your inner workings and/or probable motives. If you're not crazy then you're a misinformation plant. That is the simplest explanation why you have continued to push the anti-OU propaganda for so long.

If the reason is you want to save others from "wasting their time" - well, live your own life and don't worry about what others do.

If the reason is that you are hopeful and really want to see it. Well, open your eyes, it is dripping off the walls and if you haven't done that by now, you're not going to. As they say, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. It is not that OU isn't real, you have an unwavering commitment to stick to what you already believe meaning you're wasting your time and all of ours. Have some respect.

I see you claim to be an engineer in the Newport, Rhode Island area so
you seem to automatically think that qualifies you to understand this.
You obviously are not qualified or you would have gotten it years ago.

You even thought you had the world's first free energy circuit way back -
the audacity! lol

You can't mention your belief in God and your belief that OU doesn't exist in the same conversation without being a hypocrite. Anything that comes back SEVEN FOLD as the Bible says is overunity and shows the real nature of the universe.

The skeptics are also too afraid to ever post with their real names. You're
not anonymous by the way.

Aaron
10-05-2012, 10:26 PM
This thread is being closed and will remain closed. It may re-open if/when an article is published. I feel sorry for anyone that would publish an article about this without having John's full story - and he is under zero obligation to tell anyone anything.

Until then, good luck to you Miki - you may find what you're looking for here:
James Randi Educational Foundation (http://forums.randi.org/) :thumbsup:

It suits you better than Energetic Forum, Energy Science Forum or any others that that are supporters of the concepts taught.

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UPDATE - I was contacted by Pentarbe and asked to re-open this thread. I will NOT but will post his message here since it is a relevant and interesting update. You can read through this thread to see what John Bedini personally said and yes, John kicked out Rick for stealing, etc... It's been right here for years.

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This just came up in Google when looking for some EnergenX links:
https://rickfriedrich.wordpress.com (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Frickfriedrich.wordpress.co m)

Read the blog -

In the early to mid 2000’s, Rick Friedrich proposed a business deal to EnergenX, Inc., a company headed up by a world famous electrical engineer, John Bedini. Rick Friedrich’s desire was to private label battery chargers and rejuvenators built by John Bedini’s company. Rick Friedrich‘s company name was Renaissance Charge or R-Charge for short.

Rick Friedrich signed a non-disclosure agreement with EnergenX and promised to respect the confidentiality of John Bedini’s proprietary information that went into the chargers. This intellectual property was the sole property of John Bedini and EnergenX.

A few years ago, around 2011, it was discovered that Rick Friedrich had been involved in some shady business deals with many customers in addition to discovering the disappearance of hardware that was the property of EnergenX. It was also discovered that Rick Friedrich had been accessing John Bedini’s computers by sneaking into the building at night and going through the files.

There were also some energizer kits based on John Bedini’s “SG” designs that were manufactured and distributed by Rick Friedrich. One of the larger units was sold by him to someone for thousands of dollars. As soon as Rick Friedrich of R-Charge had this money, he immediately commenced to sell this exact same unit to someone else for the same amount of money. This is one of countless incidents that Rick Friedrich had done to a number of customers.

This quickly became the normal course of operation for Rick Friedrich and John Bedini and his associates and company wanted nothing more to do with him or his way of doing business. Rick Friedrich‘s relationship with EnergenX was immediately terminated and he got the boot. Immediately, Rick Friedrich began to manufacture and sell battery chargers based on EnergenX’s proprietary circuits, albeit older obsolete ones, but nevertheless, this was all in complete violation of the non disclosure agreement that he signed with EnergenX.

Since then, EnergenX and its distributors have collectively received many dozens of complaints from customers because of purchasing battery chargers and never receiving product. These complaints included the fact that they never received customer service. Many of these complaints also included the fact that many of the chargers did not work, worked a short time or simply did not do as claimed. What surprised everyone is when they learned that Rick Friedrich and R-Charge actually had no further relationship with EnergenX and that he was illegally selling low quality bootlegged versions of John Bedini’s chargers.

To this day, Rick Friedrich continues to sell his low quality pirated versions of these chargers and he also holds mini-conferences claiming to be an expert in “free energy” technologies. He claims to be a man of God and most of his websites are dedicated to him preaching the Gospel to others. This is all one big hypocritical act because the truth is that he is nothing more than a common thief and we challenge him to prove otherwise.

If you have been personally ripped off or hoodwinked by Rick Friedrich the charlatan, we invite you to please contact us and submit your story. If you can include your real name, email, mailing address and phone number, we are going to compile all of these complaints and submit them to the Attorney General as long as various federal agencies because the time has come for his dog and pony show to come to and end.

Please let us know if we can post your complaint publicly on this website. We will remove your personal contact information but would like to list your name and location. If you want to remain anonymous, we will respect that as well. If you do not want us to list your complaint at all, that is fine and we will simply reserve it for the Attorney General.

Please submit your complaints here: https://rickfriedrich.wordpress.com/contact/ (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Frickfriedrich.wordpress.co m%2Fcontact%2F)