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nali2001
10-09-2007, 10:57 PM
Hi Peter and all,
I heard the interview with you and Stirling.
Heard you were doing research on the gravity engines.

Well I have been doing some work on that as well.
Here you can see an idea I had.

http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/MagneticWheel.wmv

The balls on rods are just (big) iron bearings and make the loop up to the ‘sticky point’ and stay there. Which is the problem of most of these things. But in my case you can see that the magnets after top dead center are getting weaker. But still the ‘sticky spot’ will hold the ball. Well now we insert more balls and these travel also up to the ball that was inserted first. And this adds up in weight pushing on the first ball held by the ‘sticky point’ well until a certain amount of weight on the first ball is reached it will overcome the ‘sticky point’s holding force’ and get the system into motion. On top of that you have the centrifugal ‘force’ which is build up in a rotating ball and is released when it smashed into the stationary balls. Its momentum is transferred trough all the balls in the row to the last one. This introduces a kick off action.

Kinda like these desktop toys with a couple swinging metal balls.

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1700510/2/istockphoto_1700510_newton_s_cradle.jpg
And
billard ball pendulum (http://video.google.nl/url?docid=2668865800710051668&esrc=sr7&ev=v&len=7&q=pendulum%2Bball&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.yahoo.com%2Fvideo%2Fplay %3Fvid%3D1113577&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D2668865800710051668% 26q%3Dpendulum%2Bball%26total%3D76%26start%3D0%26n um%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D6&usg=AL29H21iqcqk9r7WGKxf4obwddW62C759Q)

Well maybe it is of some help.
And mind you, yes the balls do travel up and past top dead center. I have tried that at least. And with balls of 25mm diameter is works ok. But I only have like 3 of these balls (out of a big broken ball bearing) so I cannot test it any better at this point. Also you need a lot of magnets…

But the concept could be useful?

Kind regards,
Steven

Peter Lindemann
10-10-2007, 05:09 AM
Hi Peter and all,
I heard the interview with you and Stirling.
Heard you were doing research on the gravity engines.

Well I have been doing some work on that as well.
Here you can see an idea I had.

http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/MagneticWheel.wmv

The balls on rods are just (big) iron bearings and make the loop up to the ‘sticky point’ and stay there. Which is the problem of most of these things. But in my case you can see that the magnets after top dead center are getting weaker. But still the ‘sticky spot’ will hold the ball. Well now we insert more balls and these travel also up to the ball that was inserted first. And this adds up in weight pushing on the first ball held by the ‘sticky point’ well until a certain amount of weight on the first ball is reached it will overcome the ‘sticky point’s holding force’ and get the system into motion. On top of that you have the centrifugal ‘force’ which is build up in a rotating ball and is released when it smashed into the stationary balls. Its momentum is transferred trough all the balls in the row to the last one. This introduces a kick off action.

Kinda like these desktop toys with a couple swinging metal balls.

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1700510/2/istockphoto_1700510_newton_s_cradle.jpg
And
billard ball pendulum (http://video.google.nl/url?docid=2668865800710051668&esrc=sr7&ev=v&len=7&q=pendulum%2Bball&srcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.yahoo.com%2Fvideo%2Fplay %3Fvid%3D1113577&vidurl=%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D2668865800710051668% 26q%3Dpendulum%2Bball%26total%3D76%26start%3D0%26n um%3D10%26so%3D0%26type%3Dsearch%26plindex%3D6&usg=AL29H21iqcqk9r7WGKxf4obwddW62C759Q)

Well maybe it is of some help.
And mind you, yes the balls do travel up and past top dead center. I have tried that at least. And with balls of 25mm diameter is works ok. But I only have like 3 of these balls (out of a big broken ball bearing) so I cannot test it any better at this point. Also you need a lot of magnets…

But the concept could be useful?

Kind regards,
Steven

Steven,

Very good! If the ball will travel up the ramp and past the top, I suggest that you simply continue the track, but from about the 1 o'clock position, start moving the magnets further away from the ball and then stop the track at about the 3 o'clock position. The ball should be able to just "fall" out of the magnetic field at that point, assisted by gravity, and enter the bottom of the track again to begin another cycle. Once you are over the top, you do not have to keep making the magnets closer and closer to the ball.

See if this helps.

Peter

bobo36us
11-06-2007, 06:09 AM
Hi Steven, Peter, and all!

Steven, great video. You have given me a few ideas.

Here is an idea I had for a gravity chain, but to understand
it fully, I suggest you watch this Youtube video showing the ability
of small magnets ability to make large magnets totally defy gravity.
YouTube - Magnetic Launcher (http://youtube.com/watch?v=yMoIExJEaBU)

It is also largely based on the "Murilo Luciano" gravity chain here:
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/D21.pdf (page 7)

Anyway, here is my idea/photo. I wish I knew how to make a
cool 3-D video like yours. Can you tell me what program you use?

The mechanics of this
are still being tweaked, but try to imagine all the balls below circulating
inside of a clear plastic tube. On the outside of the tube are the smaller
magnets propelling the larger magnets similar to the Youtube video.

Basically, magnets lift the weights on the right hand side of the chain,
and several forces drive the weights down on the left of the chain. The
sprocketed wheel at the bottom can be used to drive a generator.

I am pretty sure that it will work, but I just have NO CLUE what kind of
force it might produce. It could obviously be scaled up, or scaled down,
but as it is drawn, the small 1/2" square magnets are only about .50 cents
each, but those large 1.5" magnets are very pricey at around $35 each!
(somebody please tell me if you can find them cheaper)

This is not to scale at all, nor are the number of magnets, but hopefully
you all will get the idea.

Thoughts please.

Thanks, Bob

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z55/bobo36us2/GravityChain.jpg

elias
12-07-2007, 11:24 AM
Hi

I found this document somewhere on the net.
So I thought to share it with those interested in this stuff.
See the attachment

Regards
Elias

BroMikey
09-01-2014, 03:28 AM
Combine Gravity and Buoyancy to get double the force.


This has been the engine used by Kings for thousands of years to elevate water. The input is Buoyancy and Gravity free of charge.

100's of tonnes of force to produce work.



http://www.free-energy-info.com/Ch4/Fig98.gif







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UoaFXyKN54



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cFywU1zvQc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UahM1G3GkCA

BroMikey
09-01-2014, 04:39 AM
Free energy bird is an engine using many forces including heat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq3K6Ma0wIU

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Rq3K6Ma0wIU/hqdefault.jpg

The Bird is the word for free power.

Mike

Stealth
09-01-2014, 08:17 PM
Several years back, I redesigned a drinking bird as a form of energy generator. Although mine didn't use evaporization as the power behind the movement. I used levers and a fulcrum to harness gravity totally. although I never build one larger than a toy sized model, I feel that it had great potential of being a self rum generator. If only I had kept all those prototypes from back then instead of cannibalizing them for other projects. At the time I was really trying understand the principles behind gravity, magnetism and other free energy available from nature. I have investigated many phenomena over the years and found what works for me. None of my machines have been replicated as far as I know. Most are obscure drawing on paper and CAD. Good Luck. stealth

Turion
09-02-2014, 05:56 AM
Several years back Matt Jones posted an arrangement of magnets that once you pushed the magnet through the magnetic "gate" at the beginning of the track, would shoot a magnet down the track and out the end without stopping. Look at all the other "V track" videos out there. You will see one of two things.
1. The force needed to enter the gate is considerable, but the object shoots out of the end of the track.
2. The force needed to enter the gate is reduced, but the projectile stops at the end of the track.

Matt started a thread on it here at the forum with a parts list of the magnets and a diagram of how to place them. I believe he has since removed that information from the public record.

I replicated his design and even made a YouTube video of the replication.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJfYd1jJ6N0

The attraction of his design for me was that because of the arrangement of magnets, the force required to "enter" the gate was far less than the force with which the magnet exited the gate at the other end. I used a couple devices I constructed that measure foot pounds of pressure to determine this. (Just some scales really, slightly modified.)

I built a four foot wooden wheel out of 3/4 inch plywood with a short shaft bolted through the center that rode in bearings on either side of the wheel, and six neo magnets on the rim. If I placed the noes just past TDC and let the weight of the magnets rotate the wheel until the magnet engaged the track, and the magnetic action of the track rotated the wheel, the magnets would spin around almost to the top. Every try ended with the wheel eventually stopping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIumzgEKpjo

This led me to two conclusions. ONE, that I needed more magnets around the perimeter of my wheel and TWO that I needed a larger wheel. I believe that a curved track would contribute to the rotation of the wheel, but that the curve needed for a four foot wheel was too drastic and defeated some of the balancing of magnetic forces Matt had in his track design. So a larger wheel would allow for less curve in the track, and more directed force of the magnetic track on the noes located on the wheel.

I haven't had the space to set up an 8 foot wheel, but that has changed. Now all I need is some time to get it done, and I plan on making that happen in the next few months. I believe this design has a lot of potential. I also believe that it would be best if the weight of the wheel was mostly out at the rim where the magnets are located. I have located some 4 foot fiberglass rods that have male threads on one end and female threads on the other. I believe they are used to extend chimney brushes and can be found at most hardware stores. I intend to use them as the spokes for my wheel. Wooden dowels would also work….something light weight, with the rim of the wheel being the heavy part so that you have, in essence, a flywheel.

When I have more results, I will share them.

Dave

BroMikey
09-02-2014, 07:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUcWn1x3Tss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4hfkta38Y

http://www.keelynet.com/images/magnetwheel.jpg

KeelyNet News 2012 - Free Energy / Gravity Control / Electronic Health / Alternative Science - 01/23/13 (http://www.keelynet.com/news/041613e.html)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVSMAks7aEc

boguslaw
09-02-2014, 07:58 AM
I hope you know that gravity motor or magnetic motor is too costly to be more then a toy when build and working :thumbsup:
I can give you one very important hint : you can do it with combining two forces or you can do it with adding new "degree of freedom" (I don't know how is that called in English technical dictionary). :blowout:

BroMikey
09-02-2014, 05:56 PM
I guess you are right.:thumbsup:



50kW Buoyancy Free Energy Generators for Sale -- Hidro+ Floating to the Top | Free Energy (http://beforeitsnews.com/free-energy/2011/04/50kw-buoyancy-free-energy-generators-for-sale-hidro-floating-to-the-top-566808.html)


http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2011/04/17/9501811_James_Kwoks_Hidro_Tech_Floating_to_the_Top/Hidro_QUT_tall_300.jpg

https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm




https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/forever.gif





https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/sge-ele4.gif





https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/hydraul3.gif



https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/float-pm.gif




Waterwheel power generating device (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6534881.pdf)




http://i.imgur.com/SIH4Ldj.jpg

Stealth
09-02-2014, 08:34 PM
Almost all of these designs have been around for many years. Not many have become available lately. I have built most of these design, TOMI, Hampster Cage, Leopolds Ball wheel, Bedini's magnet motor, Bowman's magnetic motor,and many versions of other magnetic and gravity motors. What I found is that it is feasible to build one that will self run, but you can't draw any power off it. Using two types of energy, magnetic and gravity, such as the Hampster cage motor, or one of the other exotic designs, it is capable of producing over COP 1. I have a free energy book that I acquired some 20 years ago. It has many designs of magnetic and gravity motors, some are patented and some are not. Many have been replicated but very few have posted their results. While all this was going on no computers or internet existed. The information highway was slow to non exixtent. Snail mail, and telephone being the only forms of communication for most. Most of the information I acquired came from work associates and friends. In those days it was hard to nail down a lead and see a demo or prototype of a machine running. Many of these machine probably worked, but so many details were left out that a replication is nearly impossible. The buzzsaw wheel, The Besslers wheel and some others were seen by many and were reported to work without any human intervention. Good Luck. stealth

BroMikey
09-02-2014, 09:31 PM
Almost all of these designs have been around for many years. Not many have become available lately. I have built most of these design, TOMI, Hampster Cage, Leopolds Ball wheel, Bedini's magnet motor, Bowman's magnetic motor,and many versions of other magnetic and gravity motors. What I found is that it is feasible to build one that will self run, but you can't draw any power off it. Using two types of energy, magnetic and gravity, such as the Hampster cage motor, or one of the other exotic designs, it is capable of producing over COP 1. I have a free energy book that I acquired some 20 years ago. It has many designs of magnetic and gravity motors, some are patented and some are not. Many have been replicated but very few have posted their results. While all this was going on no computers or internet existed. The information highway was slow to non exixtent. Snail mail, and telephone being the only forms of communication for most. Most of the information I acquired came from work associates and friends. In those days it was hard to nail down a lead and see a demo or prototype of a machine running. Many of these machine probably worked, but so many details were left out that a replication is nearly impossible. The buzzsaw wheel, The Besslers wheel and some others were seen by many and were reported to work without any human intervention. Good Luck. stealth


Hey Stealth

Yes all true those days were harder to get details. All I had was the GOV/RUN books from the local library. We all know and have heard that in the last 100 years everyone has become educated to where they can all read but before this men were not so dumbbed down.

Men of the past 5000 years had to be observers of their own experimental data and didn't have all of this buzzing in their ear that "it won't work". Since they had only their experiments to work on from day to day it didn't matter when they succeeded, as long as they did.

The way it went was something like this:

The King wanted water pumping, period. End of statement.

He was going to have it if it killed the donkeys and oxen to get it. So everyday some sort of input was needed.

When the Mules were not available the slaves were used to drive the input.

@ Everyone

Now is everyone ready for the answer?

You guessed it, the slaves figure out everything so as to lighted their burden and the experiment was running at every minute right in their faces.

Hello Slaves:D


So what does that say? How series are we?

Sure many things are lost just like Tesla's work notes. They are hidden and lost because the ruling body wants to control and beat the slaves.


Year after year slaves died of broken bodies and replaced by a younger man.

Now as the generations rolled by it is not hard to understand that the father who passed the job onto his son wanted to make the pump work on it's own:thumbsup:

That is what happened.

@Stealth

I am pleased to see someone has tried so many of these.

It does seem with these forces at our disposal like magnetism, buoyancy, gravity, and so many new ones, that some combination should easily go O.U.

The expense to build is the first obstacle.

The way the Kings and Pharaoh's started was with buckets of water hanging from a peg on a large wheel to bring about a continuous flow of water. As time went on they used buoyancy with upside down buckets.

Mike

gyula
09-02-2014, 09:58 PM
Hi Stealth,

May I ask what the exact title and / or the author or publisher or ISBN number of that free energy book you have? Perhaps it is still available in a remote library...
Perhaps you could write some patent numbers mentioned in it too.

Thanks, Gyula

Almost all of these designs have been around for many years. Not many have become available lately. I have built most of these design, TOMI, Hampster Cage, Leopolds Ball wheel, Bedini's magnet motor, Bowman's magnetic motor,and many versions of other magnetic and gravity motors. What I found is that it is feasible to build one that will self run, but you can't draw any power off it. Using two types of energy, magnetic and gravity, such as the Hampster cage motor, or one of the other exotic designs, it is capable of producing over COP 1. I have a free energy book that I acquired some 20 years ago. It has many designs of magnetic and gravity motors, some are patented and some are not. Many have been replicated but very few have posted their results. While all this was going on no computers or internet existed. The information highway was slow to non exixtent. Snail mail, and telephone being the only forms of communication for most. Most of the information I acquired came from work associates and friends. In those days it was hard to nail down a lead and see a demo or prototype of a machine running. Many of these machine probably worked, but so many details were left out that a replication is nearly impossible. The buzzsaw wheel, The Besslers wheel and some others were seen by many and were reported to work without any human intervention. Good Luck. stealth

BroMikey
09-03-2014, 06:14 AM
Hi Stealth and ALL

I hope I didn't sound to cynical about people not seeming to be able to build a working pump.

Check these guys out. Look at all of the power in water and how little the input is on this video. They use air and water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpfjOs0IZfk

I know that other means exist to supply the air and whoever comes up with a way to introduce air in between sections of water in a column gets the gold.


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fpfjOs0IZfk/hqdefault.jpg

With all of that force coming from the water column there must be a way to create enough air from it to make enough air to provide a never ending run cycle.

The people have not stopped trying to do this. In fact even a solar air pump with a ting battery could invoke enough buoyancy to lift many 100's of pounds of water, if not 100,000's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riiaaWnfzSg

Mike

BroMikey
09-03-2014, 06:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nFh_M1H-2M

http://www.treefinder.de/Ideas/wpum.gif

http://nxtwave.tripod.com/gaiatech/pulser/splitprocess2.gif

Stealth
09-03-2014, 06:35 PM
Sure, when I get more time later on today or perhaps tomorrow, I will post that information. I am not sure if it is still in print or not. I don't even know if the publisher is still in business. Anyway, I never said the machines I built didn't work, I only said that very little energy could be taken away without stopping them. Understand that what I build as prototypes are merely toys, just to prove that the principles are sound. A scaled up version could produce very usable excess power. But then, who wants a machine that will take up their whole back yard. If you do, the I have one for you that will produce enough to suit your needs. Good Luck. stealth

boguslaw
09-03-2014, 07:39 PM
The shapes of magnets widely available to the public is very limited in range, while to make a working device you need some special ones quite costly.
It is example of how we are under restrictions to build only those machines which are "approved".

BroMikey
09-03-2014, 08:55 PM
Sure, when I get more time later on today or perhaps tomorrow, I will post that information. I am not sure if it is still in print or not. I don't even know if the publisher is still in business. Anyway, I never said the machines I built didn't work, I only said that very little energy could be taken away without stopping them. Understand that what I build as prototypes are merely toys, just to prove that the principles are sound. A scaled up version could produce very usable excess power. But then, who wants a machine that will take up their whole back yard. If you do, the I have one for you that will produce enough to suit your needs. Good Luck. stealth

@Stealth

Many people like myself do not like living in cracker box housing subdivisions where when cutting the grass clippings get on the guys lawn next door and he calls the police:D Just a little joke but that really happened to my family in the metro Detroit Area where I grew up.


I have enough (7-8 Acres) with trees in the dust bowl.:rofl: I hate big cities with a passion.

In the 60's the race riots had everybody brawling in the streets whether you wanted to or not. I was beaten into oblivion many times. So you can see why some got out in the country.

Mike

BroMikey
09-04-2014, 06:15 AM
The shapes of magnets widely available to the public is very limited in range, while to make a working device you need some special ones quite costly.
It is example of how we are under restrictions to build only those machines which are "approved".

Use what you can get and see it work first, then worry about what to buy later.

$10 of cheap magnets will teach you much about what kind you want to build.

Mike

Stealth
09-04-2014, 10:17 PM
I got sick last night and was unable to get back to do any posts. The book that I was referring to is The Free Energy Device Handbook- A compilation of patents and Reports. I haven't had time to do a search to determine if it is still available or not. It has provided me with much insight into the world of how magnetic and electromagnetic motors work. But it also has several gravity, electrostatic and or other special forces motors to study. I acquired mine from Adventures Unlimited Press Stelic Ill. 60919.
If you have the space for a large build, the self powered hydro/electric water turbine/generator is the way to go. Depending on size, it can power almost anything you need. If you want more details, I can post them at a later date. Right now my files are in disarray and I would need to find that one and recover it. Good luck. stealth

gyula
09-05-2014, 11:50 AM
Thanks for the book details. It is available on amazon.com and on Google books it is readable.

Unfortunately I do not have a lot of space in a block of flats but still would be interested to learn about the hydro/electric water turbine/generator setup. I am sure other members here are also interested so whenever you find time to write about it, you are surely welcome.

Good health and take care.

Gyula

boguslaw
09-06-2014, 03:06 PM
An example of my hints are the magneto-mechanical wheels when the mechanical part is used to rotate magnet in case of so called sticky point being nearby eliminating this counter force. It is easy to imagine , harder to build (do not ask me, I have no skills :rofl: ) , that you must rotate magnet and stop it in position where the attraction and repulsion in that area is equal (make a stop bar or something), then the slight spring or gravitation will have to revert magnet into normal position.
There are patents for this and many others magneto-mechanical motors.
So please : DO NOT BELIEVE IN STUPID videos (in youtube for example) with magnets arranged in fixed strange manner or in rails or without added secondary mechanical levers or without additional free movement axis ...

P.S. Above are only my personal thoughts. :rofl:

BroMikey
09-06-2014, 07:39 PM
An example of my hints are the magneto-mechanical wheels when the mechanical part is used to rotate magnet in case of so called sticky point being nearby eliminating this counter force. It is easy to imagine , harder to build (do not ask me, I have no skills :rofl: ) , that you must rotate magnet and stop it in position where the attraction and repulsion in that area is equal (make a stop bar or something), then the slight spring or gravitation will have to revert magnet into normal position.
There are patents for this and many others magneto-mechanical motors.
So please : DO NOT BELIEVE IN STUPID videos (in youtube for example) with magnets arranged in fixed strange manner or in rails or without added secondary mechanical levers or without additional free movement axis ...

P.S. Above are only my personal thoughts. :rofl:




@boguslaw


Oh you are so right about the fluffy information going around to hook investors. First the PDF with half the information or mis-information on details.

Then Patents to cover up everything til the check book comes out.

This is not always true.

The greatest effort and work men put into anything starts after schooling in their 20's and at about age 40 it is all down hill from there. They might come up with something after there 40's if they came up with anything in the first 20 years of invention.

The point is that the 20 years of discovery in their youth is generally used in the following 20 years to hook investors and from there they are saying their farewells never believing that they are going the way of all flesh.

All the talk about saving the world and helping their fellow mate save the world is a ploy to harvest others finds so a real solution can be built.

Suddenly THAT experimenter/Inventor vanishes.

However the idea that energy can be derived from magnetism or Buoyancy is a concept as old as the human race. Each man for himself.

There are a few video's now that are simple and show a working magnet motor that produces real power. Patents and PDF's have mystified these technologies for generations.

I agree, if you are going to co-invent an offshoot of any previously designed and built device be sure you can read between the lines of the pride and lies men will use to stop you instead of helping you.

I spent 40 years in the technical fields and have learned that even with the slightest detail of knowledge men conceal, belittle for the purpose of manipulation because of the FEAR that someone else might take their position.

Then instead of spreading the knowledge around to share so young energetic men can redo the whole thing, they just cover it up thinking they will get their inventions through the patent office someday.

This is the way it is suppose to be. I am not upset by the way. This is the way it is suppose to be. I will say it again. It's suppose to be like this, so why should I be bothered about it?

So what should we do? That is easy. Expect it. Expecting this type of behavior in general gives you the edge when reading the Patents. Even Tesla may have been practically held at gun point when filing. We don't really know.

Yet we do know the same people allowing him to patent things also burned down his entire net worth in a day.

It is something to think about. So the actual inventor may not be responsible for concealing the information.


Another way that inventors conceal information is that they come up with a completely new technology for which no terms exist and then say that only those skilled in the arts can replicate it.

Even in the existing skill of the Arts many variations and opinions exist as to how the universe is run or powered.


What you have said is true about the incomplete works shown in document form but why it is incomplete is up to you to decide.


Knowing that much of the information we find to replicate is not always there in fine detail is a great discovery in and of itself.

Most people are in denial about these facts.

So that brings us to the WAY we read read any document so as to gain some knowledge about the device we wish to understand.

Read it and first know that it will work and after finding 100's of others who tried it you will get all of the facts as you will learn something from others that they let slip out.

They may not be teachers is another one. It's up to you to decide.


Mike

Stealth
09-06-2014, 07:42 PM
I still haven't located my file on the water turbine/generator, but I did locate an old post where I outlined some of the dimentions of one. I have newer information and designs in my files, wherever they are. I feel that there are basically tow ways to do it. One is with a high pressure washer pump pushing a turbine/generator. Rewired back into the pump. The way I would do it is with a large reservoir atop a hill or structure-platform 20 feet up in the air. This would provide enough head pressure to run a hydro system and produce more than enough electricity to pump the water back into the reservoir. The thread I started on this was on 4/11/2009. You could always add more height and or volume to increase pressure for larger systems, but I prefer to start with a 4'' pipe section, reduced to a 2'' pipe section, then further reduced to a 1'' or 1 1/2'' final pipe leading into a turbine. Turbines are expensive, but any vane water pump will work as a turbine. Even an automotive water pump will work. After I find my misplaced file I will post more information. Good Luck. stealth

BroMikey
09-06-2014, 09:58 PM
Here is a setup that is in the backyard of one mans house.

http://192.211.49.220/-%20Free%20Energy/Aldo%20Costa/crecy.jpg


Mike

BroMikey
09-06-2014, 10:34 PM
Here are a few more

http://192.211.49.220/-%20Free%20Energy/Aldo%20Costa/roue6.jpg

http://192.211.49.220/-%20Free%20Energy/Aldo%20Costa/roue7.jpg


http://192.211.49.220/-%20Free%20Energy/Aldo%20Costa/roue2.jpg

Stealth
09-07-2014, 10:47 PM
A tremendous undertaking. A man may not live long enough to see his completed work run or not. Leaving it to an apprentist to finish the design. I can see many years put into the construction of this wheel. Good Luck. stealth

BroMikey
09-08-2014, 06:01 AM
A tremendous undertaking. A man may not live long enough to see his completed work run or not. Leaving it to an apprentist to finish the design. I can see many years put into the construction of this wheel. Good Luck. stealth


AAA stealth

Lighten up dude the energy is all around us. The big tick tock wheel is just a cavemen's reminder that men love to ascend. The guy in the video was probably a carnival Ferris wheel builder and took a few weeks off one time and built his very own augmentation.

He probably worked at the State fair grounds.

Mike

Stealth
09-08-2014, 07:07 PM
Sorry I came across so negative. That wasn't my intention at all. I have always tried to design a machine the average Joe can build in his basement or back yard to harvest free energy. Although many systems already exist, solar, wind, etc., most people can't afford to purchase one because of financial restraints. I envy anyone who pursues such a venture of this magnitude, whether it works or not. Everyone needs a dream to pursue. Without a dream life would be dull. Good Luck. stealth

BroMikey
09-09-2014, 06:57 AM
Hi Stealth

I can agree with you on that, we all need to keep dreaming up new inventions to tap into the glut of power we are all floating in.

The Kings and Pharaohs used SLAVES at first that was their free ride:D

I really think dreams come to those who press in and generally that does not happen if there is no great need. It takes desperation to achieve a new plateau.

Like those busted up Slaves. They had that experiment staring them in the face everyday, in fact every minute another bucket had to be raised into position.

When men put their minds to anything that is a requirement or part of their daily provision, they will always find another new way, better than ever.

Hang in there many dreams are unfolding now.:thumbsup:

Mike

BroMikey
06-06-2015, 03:28 AM
Hey Stealth

Check out this company profile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnjWmpIRVn0


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4q8Gg6tnqs8/hqdefault.jpg

Stealth
06-06-2015, 06:34 PM
This is an interesting design, of which I have seen before. Over the years I have built many replications of these overbalanced wheels. I have also designed and built many prototypes. Many will approach self running and some will even self run, but no energy can be extracted from these systems as it will stop their momentum. The only two systems to ever be certified to produce excess energy from gravity are Bessler's wheel and buzz saw wheel. Leupolds rolling ball motor works barely as a prototype but in a larger configuration it may work great. The hamster cage motor also works, but it uses gravity and magnetic power in unison. I have designed one with both forces but have not yet built a prototype yet. Also I have designed but have not built a version of the drinking bird motor. These work on my cad program, but sometimes real life forces negate the effect and render these designs non functional. I don't post these designs unless I have built and studied them. I don't want people to trey replicate4 unless they work. Too many projects on here now are only speculation or design and are not proven to work, causing many people to use funds to replicate on no working prototypes. Many people are looking for free energy, but it already exists, solar, wind water and geothermal are good examples. Although most are not available all the time. Even so, a good battery bank or large capacitor bank can help offset the periodic down times with these systems. Water and geo are the most reliable and can run 24/7 without interruptions if it is available. Still there are many ways to cheat the system and gain extra energy, like the three battery system Turon discovered. Mostly free energy defies the laws of conservation which most scientists prescribe to and wont allow themselves an opportunity to investigate anything outside of the box. Many universities wont even test a claimed free energy device. Many possibilities exist for these types of systems and will one day come to light. Some are already in use by private parties not wanting publicity or trouble. Good Luck. stealth

BroMikey
06-06-2015, 09:38 PM
Stealth

I am looking up the information of your highly detailed answer.

What about this guy?

It is an off shoot of skinner. Most people won't even look.

This guy is crazy or sane?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-KVo4lxHgE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bEvf60qU7Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTnl9n4KiaY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0AsR126bSI



http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EC4XYDYSGCQ/hqdefault.jpg

Stealth
06-06-2015, 10:22 PM
That is a simplified version of Skinner's motor. Same principle but fewer moving parts with less capability. Swinging rods, balls or other objects act like a flywheel in motion, but eccentric motion adds potential, just like using a larger flywheel. The problem is that an eccentric moving objects builds vibration which can turn into resonance and destroys most of these systems after a short time. A system such as Skinner's needs to be over engineered to keep it from tearing itself apart. It is extremely hard to balance a system using these principles. Automobiles use a torque converter to keep the offset piston rods from developing a resonant frequency. The large flywheel also helps to balance out the system. Look at the (D) configuration of a chain and gear system with the same flipping arms to get free energy. Study Keely to see what frequency/vibration is capable of. Tesla also was no stranger to vibration. A standing wave is one of the most powerful forces in nature, no matter what medium it is in. Good Luck with your search and keep experimenting. stealth

BroMikey
06-06-2015, 10:30 PM
Okay Stealth will do

Thanks for the great insight.

The JOHN DEVICE? He keeps saying for a less than 1 watt input
he is getting 800 watts of work out. What are your thoughts
on this statement?

Stealth
06-06-2015, 11:15 PM
With a system like his it is possible to gain extra energy, but a COP of 800 seems like exaggeration to me. I am not disputing his word but I would need to see far more evidence to believe those gains. The most I have gotten from a system similar to that is COP 10. If he is getting that kind of COP, then there are more forces at work then he is showing. Remember that all over COP devices has to tap into the energy that surrounds us. This is where the additional energy comes from. 1) it has to be an open system, 2) it has to resonate with the natural energy surrounding us, 3) you can only withdraw what is excess without stalling the system, 4) it needs to be as frictionless and run as cool as possible. Milkovik used this to his advantage and engineered his system to run at many times over COP. Replications of his design have been made by members here and they have posted their results. With a small motor they were able to produce massive torque, but again the system would tear itself apart. With water, or any liquid, it can develop massive pressure and cavitate pipes or tanks when a standing wave is in motion. Good Luck. stealth

wayne.ct
06-06-2015, 11:41 PM
If you look closely at the John Drive videos you will notice the similarities and differences between his build and the Skinner device. If you put all the information together, you will notice that John's device has fewer degrees of freedom. The joints and connections in the Skinner device are arranged in produce two loosely connected subsystems. According to the theories expressed in the Skinner thread, these are critical to the correct functioning of the device and essential for opening the system to "outside" energy. This analysis is based on the information in this thread and the Skinner thread. It is not based on experiments I have done. It needs to be read with that in mind. I simply point out the observation that the John Drive is different in significant ways. This may mean that it does not really have more output than input. I think it boils down to understanding what a load is. In a rotating device, you can't simply take the distance a weight travels in a circle and say work is being done. He does not really have 800 watts out, when viewed from the perspective of classic mechanical system analysis. John needs to study and understand the Skinner machine if he wants to make progress. That's what I think about it.

BroMikey
06-06-2015, 11:51 PM
With a system like his it is possible
to gain extra energy.................................





With water, or any liquid, it can develop massive pressure and cavitate pipes or tanks when a standing wave is in motion. Good Luck. stealth


:thinking::thinking::thinking: Interesting, I would like to hear more
on the fluid approach when you so desire.

BroMikey
06-06-2015, 11:59 PM
Yes very true Wayne

I think you are right about this and John said that in his video.

I know you guys don't have time to review all of his material

so let me paraphrase.

John said that according to standard laws that the weight needed

X amount of HP/ watt equivalent to move the mass, but he also

said that he might be able to only extract 2,3 or 4 COP from it.

His Patent is pending I guess and he is not sure how to do many

things to make it practical.

But standard laws can not be escaped.

Force and Distance = something and if you say that these

formulas are wrong you will be expelled from class;)


The rules of Force and distance are irrefutable. This is a
direct quote from JOHN on the "JOHN DEVICE" patent pending.

BroMikey
06-07-2015, 03:00 AM
If you look closely at the John Drive videos you will notice the similarities and differences between his build and the Skinner device.


I think it boils down to understanding what a load is.

In a rotating device, you can't simply take the distance a weight travels in a circle and say work is being done.


He does not really have 800 watts out, when viewed from the perspective of classic mechanical system analysis.


That's what I think about it.

How much does he have then if he is moving all of that weight

by standard laws? Does he have only 2 watts?

How do you make a statement like that without

giving some kind of calculation for your conclusion?

How can people throw out all of the classic laws and

replace them with nothing?

If that figure does not add to 800 watts then

how much is it?

Give me a figure please, or your statement is inconclusive.

Not giving a calculation puts your speculations out

to pasture.:rolleyes:

I mean JOHN will go by our current laws, what are we going by

nothing?

I am not a fool SIR and the people on these forums need to

do some standard calculations to show they know the basics.

Okay so you have tossed the normal laws of force and distance

out the window?:thinking: Humm.... very well then.

You know better than that.:wall:

Stealth
06-08-2015, 12:33 AM
Been busy. Just saw these posts. What I was referring to in a liquid state is a water hammer. Many people know what it is and how to stop it, but few know how to take advantage of the great power it put out. Keely used this knowledge to power many of his first devices. A single water pipe suddenly shut off can produce upwards of 600 PSI, and can last for several seconds, and up to several minutes under controlled circumstances. Uncontrolled it can burst pies, fittings and reservoirs, but this is for another thread. You tube has some good illustrations on it. Good luck. stealth

citfta
06-08-2015, 02:10 AM
I have not watched the video, but if you are quoting him correctly he does not understand the basic laws of physics and is using the wrong formula to calculate his output power. He is ignoring the laws of angular momentum.

You need to read and study the following info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum

Keeping a mass spinning is not the same as doing real work. Once the mass is up to speed the only power needed is to overcome the friction of the bearings and the windage losses.


How much does he have then if he is moving all of that weight

by standard laws? Does he have only 2 watts?

How do you make a statement like that without

giving some kind of calculation for your conclusion?

How can people throw out all of the classic laws and

replace them with nothing?

If that figure does not add to 800 watts then

how much is it?

Give me a figure please, or your statement is inconclusive.

Not giving a calculation puts your speculations out

to pasture.:rolleyes:

I mean JOHN will go by our current laws, what are we going by

nothing?

I am not a fool SIR and the people on these forums need to

do some standard calculations to show they know the basics.

Okay so you have tossed the normal laws of force and distance

out the window?:thinking: Humm.... very well then.

You know better than that.:wall:

Carroll

BroMikey
06-08-2015, 03:46 AM
I have not watched the video, but if you are quoting him correctly he does not understand the basic laws of physics and is using the wrong formula to calculate his output power. He is ignoring the laws of angular momentum.

You need to read and study the following info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum

Keeping a mass spinning is not the same as doing real work. Once the mass is up to speed the only power needed is to overcome the friction of the bearings and the windage losses.




Carroll

Yes true, you are so right, this is basic classical mechanics.

Energy can not be created or destroyed. E=MC2:suprise:

BroMikey
06-08-2015, 04:21 AM
Been busy. Just saw these posts. What I was referring to in a liquid state is a water hammer. Many people know what it is and how to stop it, but few know how to take advantage of the great power it put out. Keely used this knowledge to power many of his first devices. A single water pipe suddenly shut off can produce upwards of 600 PSI, and can last for several seconds, and up to several minutes under controlled circumstances. Uncontrolled it can burst pies, fittings and reservoirs, but this is for another thread. You tube has some good illustrations on it. Good luck. stealth

Hey Stealth

Good Idea I will keep one ear open for these videos. I have heard of

hydraulics used in much the same way as electrical flows.

Capture that moment.:thumbsup:

When you get your latest going, let me know.

Mikey

BroMikey
08-06-2015, 04:18 AM
ANOTHER FREE ENERGY MECHANICAL DEVICE BY WASIF KAHLOON


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-EvpDbDZ18

BroMikey
06-12-2016, 05:53 AM
Gravity - Buoyancy operated by accordion expansion
chambers using the same air opposite each limb at 180
degrees. Air changes places due to gravity and Buoyancy
raises the filled chamber that have become larger.

This one works I am sure of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03x95eXPM38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8tsqZYPyXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KtFZMN7_Bw