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Old 08-09-2015, 02:05 AM
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Dennis was shown a 16 millimeter film of jfk at Bethesda Naval Hospital and witnessed the simple entry wound above the right eye and massive blow-out in the right rear. Bill Pitzer shot the film and was murdered three years later.

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"I can assure that it definitely was an entry wound in the forehead."

"It is inconceivable that anyone would conclude that the massive wound in the rear of Jfk's of skull could have occurred from a rear-entry projectile."





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Old 08-09-2015, 02:07 AM
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Jerrol Custer

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Enduring controversies - Dr.Aguilar

Confusingly, in June, 1967, not long after Humes saw the autopsy photographs for the first time, Dan Rather asked him, "And (where was) the exit wound?" Humes said: "And the exit wound was a large irregular wound to the front and side--right side of the President's head." No witness had ever described it there. To muddy the waters further, in the third of three interviews before the HSCA, Dr. Humes seemed to change his mind on the entrance, claiming the bullet entered high, in parietal bone, rather than low, in occipital bone, as per the autopsy report. Beyond that, in testimony before the Conyers Committee on 11/17/93, Gerald Posner claimed he had interviewed Drs. Humes and Boswell and that "they have confirmed their change of testimony that they gave before the HSCA," and that the entrance wound was "correctly placed 4 inches higher" in parietal bone. (No evidence can be found that Boswell ever admitted to the "high" location, though Humes may have.) So the location of the entrance wound and exit defect may be uncertain despite the autopsy report's statements.

TESTIMONY OF CAPT. JAMES J. HUMES, M.D Change entry location

ARRB DEPOSITION OF DR. PIERRE A. FINCK Finck page 41, 67, 91, 121

HSCA Medical Interviews

Dr. Humes and Dr. Boswell, two of the three medical doctors who performed the autopsy on the body of President Kennedy, testified together to the HSCA's medical panel. Much of their testimony is taken up with the controversy over the location of the entry wound into the skull. In this interview, both Humes and Boswell remain adamant about a location near the external occiptal protuberance (eop), low in the skull, despite being unable to adequately locate this wound on any of the autopsy photographs. The medical panel seemed equally persistent that the entry wound must be higher, near the cowlick. A year later, Dr. Humes appeared in the HSCA public hearings and publicly disavowed the lower eop location, though his retraction seemed half-hearted. Later in a 1993 article for the Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. Humes re-affirmed the original location. The other doctors, Boswell and Finck, had never wavered from their original contention.

Entrance and Exit Wounds entry wound exit

Humes 224-235 X-RAYS

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Does that mean you can prove that a single bullet entered and exited the rear? That's what Clint Hill was saying. The burden of proving such stupidity is on you. He saw the rear blow out.

From 'Mrs Kennedy and Me" by Clint Hill' Rare Zapruder footage: Multiple JFK assassins

In his memoir, Mrs Kennedy And Me, Mr Hill said of the final shot: 'The impact was like the sound of something hard hitting a melon shattering into cement

"In the same instant, blood, brain matter and bone fragments exploded from the back of the President's head... and splattered all over me - on my face, my clothes, in my hair."

“As I peered into the backseat of the car,” Hill recalled. “I saw the president’s head in [Jackie’s] lap. His eyes were fixed, and I could see inside the back of his head. I could see inside the back of the president’s head.”

As he moved towards Mrs Kennedy, he watched her reaction: 'Her eyes were filled with terror,' he wrote. 'She was reaching for something. She was reaching for a piece of the President's head.'


Humes 224-235 X-RAYS

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Does that mean you can prove that a single bullet entered and exited the rear? That's what Clint Hill was saying. The burden of proving such stupidity is on you. He saw the rear blow out.

From 'Mrs Kennedy and Me" by Clint Hill' Rare Zapruder footage: Multiple JFK assassins

In his memoir, Mrs Kennedy And Me, Mr Hill said of the final shot: 'The impact was like the sound of something hard hitting a melon shattering into cement

"In the same instant, blood, brain matter and bone fragments exploded from the back of the President's head... and splattered all over me - on my face, my clothes, in my hair."

“As I peered into the backseat of the car,” Hill recalled. “I saw the president’s head in [Jackie’s] lap. His eyes were fixed, and I could see inside the back of his head. I could see inside the back of the president’s head.”

As he moved towards Mrs Kennedy, he watched her reaction: 'Her eyes were filled with terror,' he wrote. 'She was reaching for something. She was reaching for a piece of the President's head.'
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Old 08-09-2015, 01:22 PM
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FIREFIGHTER JAMES MURPHY

After that I ran up to the roof on the third floor with me and Eric Bernsten. We were watching it. We could see it from here. We have an unobstructed view. The other guys came up too. All six of us were on the roof...

Then we saw the second one come up. It looked like it was coming up the East River from here. I guess it was coming from the south. I thought it banked over the East River, which is what it looked like. I thought it made a left over the East River and went right into it going from east to west. But as it turns out, it came from the south. Then we saw it just go right into the building and explode.
I remember talking to Eric. I remember Eric saying something, "Oh, my God, there's another plane." I was saying to him, "That plane is closer to us. It's really not a big plane going towards the building." Two seconds later it rammed into the building. You don't expect it. We just freaked.

SeptemberClues.info | The Central Role of the News Media on 9/11

9/11 NY Aircraft 'Witnesses'

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United Airlines Flight 175 Crash Evidence - 911myths

Peter Collins

Another co-worker, Peter Collins, a vice-president at Rowland Communications, saw the second plane strike the second tower.

"As we're watching the building on fire, I saw this plane sweep over the bay and I knew it was from Newark," Collins said. "It kept climbing, and all of a sudden it just went into the building. There was a spectacular fire and then a few seconds later you heard a pop. It went directly towards it, never deviated."

He said the scene was surreal.
"You're so used to terrorism happening all around you and you become numb to it," Collins said. "You see the spectacular happening right in front of you and you're just like 'whoa.' "

Ingrid Ernst

Ingrid Ernst, a flight attendant on Lufthansa Airlines, was looking out her hotel window across the Hudson River from New York City on Tuesday morning when she saw a jumbo jet penetrate the second World Trade Center building.

``It was going as fast as a regular plane. I didn't realize what was happening, Ernst, 23, of Hamburg, Germany, told the Daily News by phone from the Sheraton Hotel in Weehawken, New Jersey.

Ernst was relaxing by her window, planning her vacation in Los Angeles today, when she saw one of the hijacked passenger planes crash into the middle-to-upper floors of one of America's tallest landmarks.

``You saw the plane disappear, then fire on the other side, she said of the jet, which appeared small from her vantage across the river. ``It was like you are in a movie - it takes you awhile to realize what's happening. You're just shocked, you can't think anything at the moment.

Daily News, September 12 2001


Evan Fairbanks

(VO) In a day filled with images we may never forget, this one stands out. The extraordinary footage of an American Airlines jet slicing through the number two tower of the World Trade Center. That image was captured by 40-year-old freelance cameraman Evan Fairbanks who had been working two blocks away.

Mr. EVAN FAIRBANKS: I suddenly saw a white flash from the left side of the frame, and I--and it lasted long enough for me to be able to identify it as a--as a jet.

CHUNG: When you saw that plane hitting the Trade Center tower, could you actually fathom what you were viewing?

Mr. FAIRBANKS: Not at all. It
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Old 08-09-2015, 01:24 PM
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EMT Mercedes Rivera

"As I passed by St. Vincent's Hospital below 14th Street, Paul said, 'Wow. Look at that plane. It's pretty close.' I said, 'Jeez, you're right. Look at the size of that plane.' We watched that plane get closer; it flew over us, it went over the Hudson River, then we saw it make a tilt and go right into the South Tower. It was like science fiction.

Then we saw the explosion...
Women at Ground Zero, Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba


Tom Weber

So I'm sitting there, on the 39th floor, and we're used to plane traffic, the sounds of planes are very familiar, but I heard a much louder sound, a sound closer in proximity than I've ever heard before which caused me to look up in the direction of that sound. I saw a commercial airliner which appeared to be banking to the east just go what appeared to be right through the WTC causing an explosion on one end and an explosion on the other end...

...came back to the window and I saw the second plane, and I never gave the second plane any credibility because there couldn't be another plane flying into the World Trade Center because that's impossible, almost impossible as the first one. And it was flying south. It wasn't as direct a hit as the first plane was. It kind of hit like the edge of the building, but the explosion was way worse than the first one. The first explosion wasn't...as a matther of fact, the first plane didn't have as big an explosion as the second. The second hit and our building shook.

FIREFIGHTER STEPHEN ZASA

Upon that time I heard a plane roar. I had my window down and on my side we saw a plane flying very low come right across us and with a loud, you know, the engines revved up, and I had mentioned to him, I had no idea that it was heading towards that way, and I just said like where is this guy going, you know, he was extremely low, not realizing it was another plane heading towards the World Trade, and we saw it struck the building, we saw a big mushroom of flame, of fire coming up, and it was like disbelief, and he had gotten on the radio and notified the dispatcher another plane had struck the World Trade Center.

Unnamed (Russian Pilot?)

As I'm flying closer, almost opposite the WTC, right next to the Harborside Center in Jersey City, I see this airliner coming down in a steep bank, my first thought was, WTF is this guy doing!??? Why is he diving so steep to take a look at the fire! And it's an airliner! (looked like a 737 to me at the time). I muttered something along the lines "Jeez, this guy is gonna get so fired by his airline, it's not even funny!" The next moment.... it hits the building.... I felt like I was inside a cartoon or a movie, maybe that "Independence Day" flick, at the moment I thought I was seeing things, like this can't be, this isn't real... But I had my camera in hand and snapped virtually a split second later after the impact, I was simply too awestruck when I saw the plane, so it didn't click in me to actually shoot the thing (but if I had a Stinger SAM with me, damn, I wish I did and I would).

Keith Schwer

Exiting the hotel within minutes, Schwer emerged to the heart of a chaotic scene—and thankfully was not struck or injured by falling debris. But once he saw the tail of the plane jutting out from the burning building, he realized this was not an explosion or an earthquake; it was an attack—and one that wasn’t over yet.
"We walked toward the Hudson River, so I saw the second plane coming down the river. It was so strange—I saw the plane bank, then I heard it coming and I saw that it was headed for the South Tower. I saw it go into the building."


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Debunking the 9/11 No-Planes Theory: First-Responder Eyewitnesses to the Planes that Hit the WTC on 9/11

CAPTAIN DAVID LOPER (FDNY)

"Anyway, it's then that I was looking at the north tower that I saw what I thought looked like a seagull in the distance almost and it went into the south tower and the south tower exploded in a huge fire ball."

EMT MALA HARRILAL

"There was a second plane circling the building and I kept saying why is he so near the building? Within minutes, before even talking about it, he just like slammed into the second building."

PARAMEDIC JOEL PIERCE

"...I watched eventually the second plane, I saw it. It looked like it was circling around south, then came back north, striking the south side of Tower No. 2."

FIREFIGHTER FRANK SWEENEY

I remember the lieutenant turned to Scott and I and said, "You know, this could be a terrorist thing. Maybe it was a bomb or something." I can't remember his exact words. Shortly thereafter Scott said, "What's wrong with the flight patterns around here?" I said, "What are you talking about?" And the south tower blew up. Scott said, "That was a plane. "I said, "Scott, it was not a plane. It was probably another bomb." He said, "No, I saw it. It was a plane

EMT DAVID TIMOTHY

"The next thing I heard was a loud like an engine roar. I looked up, and the next thing I knew I just saw -- I don't know if it was the tail end of the plane or what, but I saw something. When I looked up, I heard "boom." I'm sorry, the north tower was the first one. The south tower then got hit when we were right there."



[/B] He was right there near the towers. I just found this today. He followed the object to the end, which was the explosion. The distance remark is an excuse that's entirely false and cannot be duplicated.

CAPTAIN DAVID LOPER (FDNY)

"Anyway, it's then that I was looking at the north tower that I saw what I thought looked like a seagull in the distance almost and it went into the south tower and the south tower exploded in a huge fire ball."



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"I'm not sure if it was a plane". He only left out the word plane. He caught himself and stopped short. That is proof because the Naudet footage did not capture a plane.

What about Todd Harris, who said it was moving slowly? That is impossible for your theory, but that description is corroborated by the Naucrap video.

Stewart, said he saw something bump into tower 1 before it exploded. That certainly wasn't a plane, because a plane would crash into it, not bump.

With the clear and overwhelming evidence of drones, it was inevitable that a few eyewitnesses would corroborate the video footage of drones for both towers. He says, "I'm not sure, if it was a ????? (plane). Of course it wasn't a plane, and he gave the truth some of the best early testimony that no planes of any kind were seen for either tower because neither had wings. His subconscious gave every word, but 'plane', leaving no doubt that his conscious state prevented that last word. But, we already know those frenchies did not film a plane or really any identifiable object which verifies Stewart's account.

Bryant Gumbel: It's 8:52 here in New York, I'm Bryant Gumbel. We understand that there has been a plane crash on the southern tip of Manhattan. You're looking at the WTC. We understand that a plane has crashed into the WTC. We don't know anything more than that. We don't know if it was a commercial aircraft. We don't know if it was a private aircraft. We have no idea how many were on board, or what the extent of the injuries are right now. We are, uh, we have, I understand, an eyewitness on the phone right now. Sir...

[cuts to commercial briefly]

BG: ...your name?

Stewart: Yeah, my name is Stewart.

BG: Sir, where are you right now?

S: I'm working at a restaurant in Soho. (northeast of the towers)

BG: Alright, so tell us what you saw if you would?

S: I literally, I was waiting a table and I literally saw a -- it seemed to be like the small plane. I just heard a couple of noises. It looked like it bounced off the building and then I heard, uh, I saw a huge like ball of fire on top and then the smoke seemed to simmer down and it just stunned -- you know a lot of smoke was coming out and that's pretty much the extent of what I saw.

BG: A private aircraft?

S: I'm not sure, if it was a -- it just seemed like a smaller plane. I don't think it was anything commercial.

BG: Did you, could you tell us whether or not it was a prop, or a jet .

S: I honestly don't know. It happened too quickly



WTC MISSILE STRIKE ON 911: EYE WITNESS SAW "A SMALL PLANE" TWIN TOWERS COLLAPSE - YouTube

CNN.com - Transcripts

Now we want to bring in Todd Harris (ph). Todd on the scene, saw what happened.

Todd, corroborates the Naudet footage, which captured a slow moving blob.

Todd are you with us?

TODD HARRIS: Yes, I had a perfect view, and the plane was coming in. I noticed it a second before it hit the building. It looked like it was moving slowly, and it lined itself up to hit the building directly.

KAGAN: Are you talking about the first plane or the second plane?

HARRIS: The first plane.
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Flight 175 did not come over the bridge.. Here are some names used by some eyewitnesses, news anchors, and very few honest observers of several live broadcasts: Ball, orb, seagull, helicopter, drone, military plane, and United. Flight 175 would've passed north of and close to the Statue of Liberty located at the top left of the image. The Verrazano bridge approach was an entirely separate event that stands alone.

The skies over America - Dateline NBC | NBC News

Varcadapane: He says to me, “As a matter of fact, do you see that target coming over the Verrazano Bridge.” I went over to the radar and looked at the radar. The Verrazano Bridge is depicted on the radar. And I looked over there and I saw the aircraft descending out of 4700 feet, 3600 feet, 2700 feet."

Greg Callahan: And I could hear him calling on altitudes. “I have a target in sight, he’s descending rapidly.” And he said—“Look out to the southeast,” and the gentleman working ground control said, “Hey, who’s that by the Verrazano Bridge?” "And here comes a very large target descending rapidly, very fast." The skies over America - Dateline NBC | NBC News

Tepper: He was in a hard right bank, diving very steeply and very fast. And as was in he was coming up the Hudson River, he made another hard left turn and just heading for downtown Manhattan.

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Chopper after T2 explosion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu_qct5gp-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNLVxWUbPDU




Here's a reporter who literally moves away from the camera and continues talking. That's a physical reaction difficult to explain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIALzT3uHAU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQzqcdvtsBE

Note the ball at the top right at 2:13. Where did April Amonica say there was a plane after she said..."WOW,...(long pause) I GUESS THAT'S IN THE OTHER BUILDING.":roflol: "WOW,...(long pause) That, that, that apparently does look like it is in the other building at this point."

So, what was that about you knowing what you're talking about, Crazy Guy?

She saw the ball, but didn't comment on it because she didn't know what it was. That's logical and consistent with what any honest human would think. She was also careful not to acknowledge the ball and talk out loud about it like Clifton Cloud did so beautifully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAlA-H4QJRo

It's the last post in the letsroll thread. I didn't even have to say it and never thought it was important because the object was obviously not a plane.

Roger, if you look at the clip you linked to above (orb), you can actually see on the outer sides of the object, near the bottom of the descent, what looks like something rotating. So this could explain the woman stating a 'helicopter'. The wings do not look stationary.

http://letsrollforums.com/remote-con...t26953p20.html

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Old 08-09-2015, 01:55 PM
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The fake image passes east of the north tower just before tower 2 explodes. This is 100% inconsistent with every other final approach, official or fake. The official flight path has it correct for a real plane, which does NOT pass east of T1, only 1-2 seconds before explosion, because it's over the bay where had to be for a real plane crash. The shadow movement between the towers can only occur if it makes an impossible last second turn, which the real object apparently did. At least the last 5-7 seconds of fake 175 is entirely behind the towers, therefore making it impossible to create the shadow movement between the towers that really occurred.



911 Commission Hearing Flight paths into WTC - YouTube

Bob Varcadapane was the supervisor in Newark tower that morning, in charge of eight controllers.

At Newark tower, Bob Varcadapane is still on the phone with a controller at the New York center, and learns that a second plane has been hijacked and is almost on top of Manhattan.

Varcadapane: He says to me, As a matter of fact, do you see that target coming over the Verrazano Bridge. "I went over to the radar and looked at the radar. The Verrazano Bridge is depicted on the radar. And I looked over there and I saw the aircraft descending out of 4700 feet, 3600 feet, 2700 feet."

The skies over America - Dateline NBC | NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMlls8-X5pk




The fake plane image must pass east of the north tower below the bbc watermark. It does not, therefore it's different from all the fake plane images coming from the west and the ball footage. The bottom image would have passed east, the above image would not have.

The fake image passes east of the north tower, and below the height of the towers. The divebomb fake never passes below them. That fact proves they are different.


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The skies over America - Dateline NBC | NBC News

Descending rapidly, headed in the direction of New York.

At the New York en route center in Islip, Long Island, Dave Bottiglia, Curt Applegate, and Mark Dipalmo are working a routine shift, no idea what is about to come their way.

8:41 a.m.
United Flight 175 enters Dave Bottiglia’s airspace and makes contact.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AO0cKrmgiU

"Ya, the second one I'm tellin' ya..was...I didn't see a plane...I was watching it...I didn't see a plane."

He didn't see a plane because there was no plane to see. There was only a foreign object that moved behind the towers that he assumed must be a chopper because what else could it be?

"All I saw was a helicopter and I didn't see the helicopter anymore. It just looked like it exploded from the inside."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AO0cKrmgiU

You'll be blown away by how many times he says, "I didn't see a plane". Over and over again. I listened up until at least parts 10-12. Clifton Cloud rejects the plane myth three times in seconds with the word NO.

"I just caught the second explosion on videotape...No, a bomb, I saw it, NO PLANE HIT NOTHIN', the building exploded from the other tower floors down. No, this is a horrific site."

2:37 "At first there was a report of a plane but I just, glass is flying..." He was responding to his friend's insistence that a plane hit the building.

At 2:15 he is emphatic about no plane, just an explosion. At 1:59 he tells his co-worker, "the second tower just exploded".

3:04: "I actually captured the second explosion. It's horrific, it is unbelievable."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC9sry0Ruj0

He was on a roof, east and slightly north of the towers. He saw a white flash and explosion and failed to mention seeing something on tv, but stuck to not seeing anything.

Clifton Cloud: "I was probably about a mile away and um, I didn't, didn't realize that the second explosion was going on...it was just just a quick sharp blast of white light, orange and then the sound, the shockwave hit a few minutes later."

Lauer: "And it was while you were shooting that, that the second plane came into view, and as you said, you really didn't even realize what you had captured. What was your response when you went back and looked carefully at the tape?

Cloud: "I thought about um, where the plane had hit in the sixties floor where one of my companies largest client's is."

2nd plane & 1st "collapse" Clifton Cloud 9/12 11:50 am - YouTube


"I just caught the second explosion on videotape...No, a bomb, I saw it, NO PLANE HIT NOTHIN', the building exploded from the other tower floors down."

"Ya, but I don't think it was a plane." This was in response to someone on the roof, regarding the second tower, the one he witnessed.

"No, because it happened like 20 minutes later." He's telling them that the second tower exploded 20 minutes after the first tower.

"I think it was a bomb on the second building." He couldn't be more clear.

"I think they had that bomb in there" (THE SECOND TOWER, the one he witnessed and recorded) and they were like alright let's maximize it. Hit it with a plane, and then hit the bomb." He's saying that he thinks they thought to hit the first tower with a plane and bombed the second one. At no time does he describe seeing a plane, that's a fact.

"Ya, the second one I'm tellin' ya..was...I didn't see a plane...I was watching it...I didn't see a plane." He didn't see a plane because he was watching it. Just imagine trying to refute this evidence. It's unassailable.
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"Dude, I saw the second explosion, there was no plane that hit that second building, it exploded from the inside out."

"You said the second one was just an explosion?"

"I didn't see a plane. I was here watching it. I couldn't believe it. It exploded, it was like a flash of white light and everything just blew out."



Cloud saw an object that he called a chopper. He was confused about it because it wasn't really a chopper. Listen to it. It's well worth it. HE'S THE BEST WITNESS BY FAR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCXbdfDOLOo

"Ya, but I don't think it was a plane. No, because it happened like 20 minutes later. I think it was a bomb on the second building. I think they had that bomb in there and they were like alright let's maximize it. Hit it with a plane, and then hit the bomb." THE PLANE REFERENCE IS FOR T1. He did not witness that explosion.

"It was like, I saw it in slow-motion. It like erupted. The whole like side bank, just like a slow-motion movie thing. Just like boom, just out. And there was like a white flash. And I thought it shut my camera off to be honest with you."

"There was a police copter like near it...I swear, I don't know what happen to him, but. But when the second one exploded there was a helicopter not too far away."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47EZKJd7aN0

"Ya, I tell you man, I saw it in slow motion, that second building just went boom, just exploded from the inside out, just like a movie, like a cheap movie which was really weird...it was like a 1970's Charleton Heston movie."

"It was unbelievable, I mean it exploded from the inside, that second one."
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There was one eyewitness who confirmed it was the size of a golfball. It wasn't just a coincidence that the media filmed what Patricia saw while standing beneath the towers.

Patricia Ondrovic saw the ball, no doubt, and her seeing the half burnt cars proves how close she was to the towers, if not in them at some point.

As this terrified woman was running pell-mell away from the first collapsing tower — her hair, coat and feet on fire — Ms Ondrovic witnessed vehicles parked along the street spontaneously erupt into flames.

She even witnessed an aircraft disappear while in flight: “I saw something in the sky, it was a plane, but it was way out. It looked like it was over Jersey or something, then it wasn’t there anymore. I saw a small fireball, and it was gone. I saw two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the middle just disappeared into a little fire ball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from where I could see it. And the other two planes veered off into opposite directions. I just kept on running north.” And she’s got a lot more to say. - See more at:

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THIS WAS THE REAL OBJECT FILMED BY 4 TV STATIONS. CBS ON TOP, aired around 9:05 on the national broadcast. The first was the divebomber, from behind the towers.

HERE ARE TWO EYEWITNESSES WHO DIDN'T SEE A PLANE AND APPARENTLY IGNORED MENTIONING THE BALL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHaVijMv5t8

I was able capture the ball as it peeked out and then a quick edit occurs to well after the explosion. These guys did not see a plane and were confused as to how the south tower exploded. They may have made mention of the object and that audio would've been edited out too. There are countless videos with the impact edited out because they weren't going to insert fake plane images in all of them. You can see him pan to the right when the ball caught his eye.

CW1 "Oh my God!" How did that one just catch on fire man? See, look at all the stuff flying off there."

CW2 "That's a ****in' terrorist attack. How could it be anything else? Why would that just explode? That doesn't make any sense, it has to be ???"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su-fa10-pvs




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0:32 Clifton Cloud "I didn't see any plane, I saw it happen."

0:42 Clifton Cloud "I didn't see a second plane."

You're just not a serious person and lack the ambition to prove that your beliefs are worthy of debate. You haven't offered a shred of evidence. Do you think it's possible for a normal person to mistake a large plane for a chopper from 1 mile away?

Clifton Cloud: "I was probably about a mile away and um, I didn't, didn't realize that the second explosion was going on...it was just just a quick sharp blast of white light, orange and then the sound, the shockwave hit a few minutes later."

Lauer: "And it was while you were shooting that, that the second plane came into view, and as you said, you really didn't even realize what you had captured. What was your response when you went back and looked carefully at the tape?

Cloud: "I thought about um, where the plane had hit in the sixties floor where one of my companies largest client's is."





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Advance to 5:33. This is the best evidence of idiotic CGI I found. The same sequence is re-run about five minutes later. I believe WPIX is the parent company.





Maybe a different video caused Cairo protests.

Al Qaeda-linked jihadists helped incite 9/11 Cairo protest | The Long War Journal

Middle East protests: meet the hardline 'tele-Islamist' who brought anti-Islam film to Muslim world's attention - Telegraph

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This comp was done a few years ago by a guy named Equinox. What he failed to point out was the barge, (left of tower 2) which is 150-200 feet long. The towers were 208 ft wide and a boeing 767-222 is around 168 ft. The plane would have to scale to around 80% of the towers. It is literally a dot compared to the towers and other objects near them. This is full proof of what so many people saw and described, whether they laughed at it, said it was a much smaller plane or mistook it for a chopper. The object was considerably smaller than a Police Helicopter.

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This was recorded by a CBS NY affiliate. This orb is even more clear than Chopper 4's ball. No wings, just nothing but a slow moving ball that rises in altitude.

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The object was moving at a snails pace compared to a real plane. The object disappears behind the north tower at 2:21 and four seconds later (2:25) fire starts in the front of T2. It took four long seconds to circle around between the rear of the towers. Let me spell this out for you in clear English: It travelled 208 ft across the rear of T1, then the distance between the towers, around 100 feet. It then turned right along the west side of T2, and finally left across the rear of it. That's at least 600 feet in four seconds. 150 ft. per second is around 100 mph. Its laughable speed and movement bear no resemblance to a chopper or plane. You can't change facts and real aircraft comparisons such as these. The object was not a plane, never will be, and you full well know it, by now at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIF9OT7GeW4
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Even if I gave you 200 ft per second, you are stuck with the object moving at a mere 140 mph. The vertical black line appears between the towers when the ball passes east of the north tower. No plane could be between the towers and still make it to the rear of T2. The ball disappears at 2:21 and by 2:23 the black line begins.



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The plane images are ridiculous fakes. Much of the footage was from the news, therefore the low quality excuse can't be explained without admitting the footage was purposely degraded. The amateur and broadcast footage all looks the same because it was all manufactured by the same sources that produced the forged content.



There are likely hundreds of fakes to post. They are all fakes. You could have a million fakes and they'd all still be fakes. Absurd is a great word to describe the FAKES FROM 911.




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Gammy made an attempt a few years ago by demonstrating how a fake plane image could align with a real one. This was done by using a real plane (notice that AIR CANADA is backward) after reversing it. He simply reduced the fake image to make it unclear that it was NOT TURNED toward the camera the same way air canada was. This simple deception was exposed by using an enlarged pic of fake 175 compared to a real boeing at or nearly the same angle. It's very important to understand that he didn't alter any evidence back then, just used an easily detectable attempt to make the angle the same. THE FAKE IMAGE IS CREDITED TO ROBERT CLARK. If there is a difference in angle, the fake image is pointed more away from the camera which would make the right wing appear further from the tail section, but it overlaps it and is angled impossibly upward.





Note, the fake left engine is too rear of the right compared to the real boeing. It's not aligned properly, and yes they were retarded in all this.

https://www.google.com/search?q=rob+...h=748#imgdii=_




These two are at the same angle and they aren't same. The black fake has no windows or markings. Every single part on the fake image is positioned different than the real plane. That's only possible if one is fake.

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I can fully accept that William did not take a picture of a plane because of his slip up that he didn't see one, even though he supposedly captured it right before it impacted the South Tower. All these people were forced into a life time of lunacy after getting back these obvious fakes added to their pics. No one took a picture or shot video of a plane crashing into either tower on 911, and this tidbit of proof fits perfectly with all the evidence that points to no boeings being present near the towers before they exploded. Just imagine how completely stupid you'd sound trying to explain how a man took a picture of something he didn't see, even though he pressed the button to capture it. Nobody saw any planes, meaning that many lied and pretended to see one or more.

William D. Nuñez — amateur photographer 9/11 Airplane Photo Gallery - 9-11-2001 - 2nd World Trade Center Attack

Bond analyst Will Nuñez had gone to his corner newsstand and bought a $14.99 disposable Kodak, hoping to record the smoking tower out his office window "for history's sake," he says. "I remembered an incident back in the thirties when a plane had hit the Empire State Building, and I was always impressed by photos in encyclopedias." Instead, from his perch on the thirty-second floor of One State Street Plaza, he captured the plane's breathtaking blur out his office window, quite unintentionally. In his shot, a colleague, standing before a vast picture window, looks on in silhouette, next to an innocuous baseball trophy, its tiny batter poised on a two-handled loving cup. The plane had streaked by with such speed, Nuñez had not even realized he had caught it on film until he finally got around to developing the roll a week or two later.

- David Friend, Watching the World Change: The Stories Behind the Images of 9/11, Farrar, Straus and Giroux, New York, p. 13.

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"And then heard this noise that seemed to come from everywhere but didn't...had no idea what it was and then the south tower just exploded, it just it just, it just blew up. And somebody said that was a plane and I was like, "I was underneath it, I was looking at the tower, I had my camera in my hand, I heard the noise, I never saw the airplane."

David, did not hear or see an approaching plane and did not photograph one. He would have heard the roaring engines coming in at over 500 mph. NO AIRLINER HIT THE SOUTH TOWER.



911stealth David Handschuh Propelled in Air a Block by Explosion & Saw No Plane - YouTube


These pics are 11-14 seconds before a decent sized fireball and show the circular bomb well west of the dive bomber myth. This proves two different flight paths beyond any doubt .


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There cannot be any evidence whatsoever that refutes flight 175 and all of it does, absolutely. There is an acceptance that planes were there, but no real proof that they were really there.

It clearly had no wings. Her describing it as a chopper authenticates this footage.

"I believe that could be a police helicopter".







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obt-1d9POXM

As this terrified woman was running pell-mell away from the first collapsing tower — her hair, coat and feet on fire — Ms Ondrovic witnessed vehicles parked along the street spontaneously erupt into flames.

She even witnessed an aircraft disappear while in flight: “I saw something in the sky, it was a plane, but it was way out. It looked like it was over Jersey or something, then it wasn’t there anymore. I saw a small fireball, and it was gone. I saw two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the middle just disappeared into a little fire ball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from where I could see it. And the other two planes veered off into opposite directions. I just kept on running north.” And she’s got a lot more to say. - See more at:

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/9110048.PDF

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02...nside-wtc.html

KT: After the attacks when things were starting to settle down for you and after the government and media was telling us what had all happened, did you ever look back and think what were all those explosions from the WTC 5 and 6 you witnessed were all about and why there was never any official mention of them?

PO: No, I didn't watch the news. I was a bit shell shocked to say the least. In fact the very first time I have revisited that day was when I found your site.

WTC 7

KT: You mentioned you left the WTC area before the North Tower collapsed. When did you hear about the WTC 7 collapsing, in which you were parked across the street from on 9/11?

PO: When I stumbled onto your site 3 weeks ago.

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Four flying balls were captured on film and survived without alteration. The only inconsistency is chopper 4 disappears behind the top of tower 1, while the other three are lower but at the same level. Here they are in this order; NY1, WB11, CBS, and Chopper 4, aka WNBC. Only the CBS ball did not air live. The Today Show aired it but changed camera angles before the explosion. Chopper 4 is the only footage that looks untampered with. The others look like degraded cartoons.

THE BALL NEVER TURNED LEFT/NORTH AT ALL. It would have either impacted the west side of #2 or flew east of towers. It made two turns along tower 2, the west side, and finally across the rear/south side.

The final 14 seconds of approach by the 911 commission was south to north, not west to east.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=919UzVAfCuI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obt-1d9POXM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su-fa10-pvs



911 Commission Hearing Flight paths into WTC - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNLVxWUbPDU

Nothing has changed one bit about chopper 4 filming an object that was neither a plane or helicopter.

Minute 2:12, a small object enters the frame from the upper right corner --
Rapid Direct Decent, No Banked Turn

This clip of raw, uncut footage was obtained through
the Freedom of Information Act
by the National
Institute of Standards and Technology.

The running time is 3:15. At minute 2:12, a small
object
enters the frame from the upper right corner.
It moves in a straight line, swiftly moving from a
higher altitude to a lower altitude, coming from a
southwesterly direction (around Elizabeth, NJ).

The object makes no "banked turn," as famously
recorded by so many other cameras - nor has it any
visible wings, for that matter
.

Then, it plows straight into the south side of
the South Tower, with explosions emanating from the
north side, in the vicinity of the 60th floors.

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The visual of the ball is one thing, sure, but what's even more irrefutable is the object passing east of T1 less than 2 seconds before the explosion and the media acknowledging that fact, but still pretending it was a plane. That is the simple and factual stupidity they'd be covered in. The vertical black line is the ball moving between the towers. It is seen quick at top right of T1.

Three ways to deal with this object: Ignore it, accept it was real and not a plane, or say it was faked.

8:47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY1D6HHL94E

"There you see the plane...between the two buildings...and then you see the explosion...right there, unbelievable."

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Of course people like you have to admit certain evidence doesn't matter. That's one of the greater points of my work. A real plane could never be where the ball was a mere five seconds before the south tower exploded. The ball is right of T1. The red dot shows fake 175 four seconds before explosion. They cannot be the same.

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The fake image faces north headed straight for the southwest corner of T1, turns right/east, moving across the entire width of the tower 1, then must turn right, facing south because it didn't impact the west side of T2. It would then have to do a 180 degree u-turn facing, finally, north again, then it does its weird bee-bop across the rear of T2. The nose would have been facing north, east, south, before making an impossible u-turn, now facing north again before its final bee-bop. All that craziness with around 500 feet to create this fiction.

That's two right turns, an impossible u-turn, and the goofy movement across the rear of the south tower. Of course the film was altered, and the only question is who mimiced the drone circling the buildings with this laughable cgi. It's most logical that Manos Megagiannis turned his footage over to law enforcement.











#43 911conspiracy.tv - 2nd WTC Attack Plane Crash Videos

Slow Motion/Close-Up View Of 2nd Plane Impact - YouTube


This view from the south matches the ball's magical movement behind the towers, except it would've been coming from the west or left of them from this angle. Only a small drone could've made these wacko turns. Manos, personally released this to the internet, not the government.

The fake image faces north headed straight for the southwest corner of T1, then turns right/east moving across the entire width of the tower 1. It must then turn right again to face south because it didn't impact the west side of T2. It lastly turned left (east) across the rear of T2.

The nose would have been facing north, east, then south, and finally east again to reach the southeast corner of T2. All that kookiness with only 500 feet to cover.

That's two right turns, a left turn, and the goofy bee-bop across the rear of the south tower. Of course the video was altered, and the only question is who mimiced the drone circling the buildings with this laughable cgi. It's logical that Manos Megagiannis turned his footage over to law enforcement and got back this stupidity.




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The ball is not visible to my eye. An incoming plane would have been seen and heard.

3:08 Projectile after explosion.

4:55: "Ya, it was an explosion. A piece of the plane must have fallen off."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJMv2rEe9Jg

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http://www.youdontknowjersey.com/wp-...in-Towers7.jpg


Nothing was witnessed in this video either. The male witness says something to similar to the above video. There's a convienent edit before the explosion.

4:56 "It got hit by the wing...the plane probably broke apart and went into the..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLShmNzxBwo

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Mark, cryptically chuckles at the end of his description, further proving that he didn't see flight 175, and falling short of confirming that it really wasn't a plane. It's no different than Jean Hill saying she saw the secret service shooting back, but falling short of fingering the driver. Of course it didn't belong in the area because it wasn't really a plane at all.

Eyewitness on 9/11 Mark Burnback was able to get a good view of the plane that hit the World Trade Center, because he said that the plane was flying very low. He explained to FOX News that the plane had no windows, a blue logo, and did not look like a commercial plane.

Fox NewsCaster: "Mark Burnback, a Fox employee, is on the phone with us. Mark witnessed this... Mark were you close enough to see any markings on the airplane?"

Mark Burnback: "Hi gentlemen. Yeah there was definitely a blue, circular logo on the front of the plane towards the front. It definitely did not look like a commercial plane. I did not see any windows on the side. It was definitely very low...

"Mark, if what you say is true, those could be cargo planes or something like that. You said you did not see any windows on the side?"

Mark Burnback: "I did not see any windows on the side. I saw the plane was flying low. I was probably a block away from the sub-way in Brooklyn and that plane came down very low, and again it was not a normal flight that I have ever seen at an airport. It was a plane with a blue logo on the front and it just looked like it did not belong in this area."

Eyewitness Describes First Plane: No Windows, Blue Logo - YouTube

Let's go back a little in that video and see what the REAL context of that quote was and who actually asked the question shall we?

The guy who asked the question was NOT in the Newark control tower, but in New York and on the phone with Bob in Newark. Bob, walked over to the radar and saw the object over the Verrazano bridge for himself. Check out this killer stock vid of the Big V.

Bob Varcadapane was the supervisor in Newark tower that morning, in charge of eight controllers.

At Newark tower, Bob Varcadapane is still on the phone with a controller at the New York center, and learns that a second plane has been hijacked and is almost on top of Manhattan.

Varcadapane: He says to me, As a matter of fact, do you see that target coming over the Verrazano Bridge. "I went over to the radar and looked at the radar. The Verrazano Bridge is depicted on the radar. And I looked over there and I saw the aircraft descending out of 4700 feet, 3600 feet, 2700 feet."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNtGoRUjaA0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mcCBLU3tY watch video from 20:00


The 911 commission disagrees with you and offers proof that chopper 4 did not capture flight 175. You must prove that all footage lines up together as only one thing being near the towers. You cannot do this because the ball was at the southwest corner of T1 five seconds before T2 exploded in the front. They cannot be reconciled as being one. It is impossible.

The fake plane nonsense has it behind/south of T2 where it had to be, of course. These simple facts debunk your beliefs and guarantee they cannot be proven in reality.




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And he doesn't quite get geometry or direction either.

Trust me, nothing could be a bigger waste of time than indulging this fantasy. You can not reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.
It has nothing to do with geometry or perspective. It has to do with where the ball was only seconds before the south tower exploded and then trying to match up the other angles to that. I used the divebomber clip because that's what the government used.

The media acknowledged that the ball went between towers and its shadow is proof that it did just that. The divebomber failed to travel between the towers, which proves that the official flight path is different than the real one captured live on NBC.

The vertical black line appears between the towers when the ball passes east of the north tower. No plane could be between the towers and still make it to the rear of T2. The ball disappears at 2:21 and by 2:23 the black line begins. The fireball begins at 2:25.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNLVxWUbPDU






http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit_photos.html

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You exposed nothing! Here's another exercise for you. Download Sketchup and install it. Then get any plane model and rotate it around. You can get the same view you show. Your incoherent ramblings mean absolutely nothing.
It has nothing to do with any plane models. You need a real plane at the same angle to match your fake image. You don't have a real image that can do that. You proved that clearly by altering an image that was at a different angle and then claimed it was at the same angle. That's called lying, you pinhead.

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Your problem is you have a hard time understanding scale and viewpoints when discussing photos. That translates into misinterpreting what they show as has been pointed out here. Anyone can get a 3D model and produce the same image view you claim is fake.
Your main problem is wanting to believe something you know is false. It was scaled years ago by an honest person who actually did something of worth. That work proved your fake image can never be authenticated. Any pinhead can take an image and distort it all to hell and pretend it's something it's not. That's all you did. Your claims are not only sad, but stupid and crazy.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRAyGO2oDac

Jennifer Spell, in her own words: "Just about five minutes after I got outside and was shooting, the second plane circle around and it flew out over New Jersey and then it came in, it just."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNtGoRUjaA0 0:53 6:30 2:00 3:58


FLIGHT 175 RADAR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7NH0PnMFm4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcnrCMtyGV0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiIcDFralwc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suE7...01053#t=15m58s

5 East of Europol http://www.merchantcircle.com/busine...8-448-5003/map


Great Verrazano view. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sap7n4Dymnk


Traffic / Verrazano Narrows Bridge / New York City / Aerial | HD Stock Video 871-099-242 | Framepool Stock Footage

Traffic / Verrazano Narrows Bridge / New York City / Aerial | HD Stock Video 298-967-825 | Framepool Stock Footage


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Old 08-09-2015, 07:26 PM
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Clifton Cloud would say there was a plane because a fake image of one was added to his pathetic video. He could never claim he saw one while filming and that's all that matters as it concerns Clifton Cloud's eyewitness account. The videos are awful fakes...all of them. A zoomed plane from a mile away on a clear day would never look like a blurred, black blob. It's nonsense. NBC only having around two hours to alter this footage would explain why it's one of the worst fakes from that day.







http://static2.businessinsider.com/i...50/rtrnef3.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...n-Tower-01.jpg
https://www.wired.com/wp-content/upl...1970_630px.jpg
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpre...trip=all&w=780
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...82a117a9ce.jpg
http://static1.businessinsider.com/i...ist-attack.jpg SAVE
http://monovisions.com/wp-content/up...ction-1975.jpg SAVE
https://dilemmaxdotnet.files.wordpre...win-towers.jpg woolworth
http://www.sights-and-culture.com/Am...rk-twins-1.jpg LOL
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/21867087.jpg LOL
http://www.floornature.eu/media/phot...28_2_popup.jpg LOL
http://www.photoscapes.eu/wp-content.../nyc99_008.jpg right wing
http://philosophyofmetrics.com/wp-co...before-911.jpg right wing
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sPLvdKuea5M/maxresdefault.jpg """
https://firstlightforum.files.wordpr...eitcrashes.jpg east
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...19_964x639.jpg south
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpre...trip=all&w=780 south
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/A97XGF/aeri...ted-A97XGF.jpg north
http://images.latintimes.com/sites/l...win-towers.jpg south
https://nytsyn-production.s3.amazona..._525_350_w.jpg east old


http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-ge...21505bc001.jpg

http://imaprofessionalparent.com/wp-...de-highway.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGjLFQWTyg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA2TaA4Gl3w
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