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Old 01-08-2011, 01:44 AM
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Biochar creating stove TLUD

YouTube - Cooking with a ten gallon TLUD

I love the design of this stove.

1. You don't have to keep loading like a rocket stove.

2. Clean burn as seen in the video.

3. When done you have biochar.

The World stove does the same, but this appears to be out there ready to build. I may hire a welder to make one for me locally out of solid parts.
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Old 01-09-2011, 06:22 AM
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Global Clean Stove Intuitive;

Just encase you missed it, The Clinton Stoves News;

Global Clean Stove Intuitive;
State Dept. Release;
100 million clean-burning stoves in kitchens around the world.
Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves: The United States Commitment By the Numbers

Amid diplomatic speed-dating, Clinton pitches 'clean stoves'
Error - washingtonpost.com
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Here is a compilation of coverage of Clinton' Global Stoves announcement;
News compilation of today’s annoucement by Sec. Clinton « The Charcoal Project

Four serious efforts at producing biochar by cookstoves are the efforts by

Nat Mulcahy's WorldStove; http://worldstove.com/
WorldStoves in Haiti ; A Man, a Stove, a Mission « The Charcoal Project

Paul Anderson's Champion TLUD (and offshoots from that design); Construction Plans for the “Champion-2008” TLUD Gasifier Cookstove | Improved Biomass Cooking Stoves

Rob Flanagan's design efforts mainly in China, The Flana Stove; TerraCarbona
and
Dr. Reddy in India, GoodStove; Energetic Forum - Forum Display
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Old 01-09-2011, 10:24 AM
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RE: clean stoves

Yes I saw that.

I did some searching for world stoves to buy here in the US, for the larger stoves you have to buy them in bulk, to get them shipped here.

On ebay they do sell the tiny world stoves but for my purposes I want something I can do some serious cooking with not feed it every 10 min.

World stoves look to be a good product, just don't see them here in the US in the larger size.
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Old 01-10-2011, 12:45 AM
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TLUDs

When the Russians cut Nat-Gas supply a year or more ago to the EU, Nat Mulcahy started work on a WorldStove residential size unit, I believe it is in certification testing now.

His small stoves have jumped the certification hoops;

Measurable offsets: Reducing the world's CO2 levels one meal at a time - CCS

In the US , Tom Reed's patio/camp stoves are available ,
also large & patio scale TLUD gasifiers below from Paul Anderson, aka "Dr. TLUD";

Chip Energy Biomass Furnace
500 lb chips / day = 180,000 BTU / hr + 85lb Biochar / day
The price of chips and / or pellets would be more than off set by bagged char sales of $80 / day
500lb wood pellets cost = $60
500lb Hogfuel / wood chips = $30
In other words; Free Heat
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Old 01-10-2011, 12:59 AM
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Reply from DR Tlud :-)

I just got email from Paul "Dr. TLUD" Anderson, they have just got a shipment of these stoves in the US, and he is connecting me with their supplier.

I will keep people posted in what I find out.
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Old 01-10-2011, 01:12 AM
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When the Russians cut Nat-Gas supply a year or more ago to the EU, Nat Mulcahy started work on a WorldStove residential size unit, I believe it is in certification testing now.

His small stoves have jumped the certification hoops;

Measurable offsets: Reducing the world's CO2 levels one meal at a time - CCS

In the US , Tom Reed's patio/camp stoves are available ,
also large & patio scale TLUD gasifiers below from Paul Anderson, aka "Dr. TLUD";

Chip Energy Biomass Furnace
500 lb chips / day = 180,000 BTU / hr + 85lb Biochar / day
The price of chips and / or pellets would be more than off set by bagged char sales of $80 / day
500lb wood pellets cost = $60
500lb Hogfuel / wood chips = $30
In other words; Free Heat
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Thanks for your helpful information, I re-read your first message and you gave a wealth of info to this subject !

I currently own one of Tom's camp stoves and it has been much fun here is a video of me testing it out ->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGIe3Pw4F38

The stove works good, very light weight and portable.

I want to get away from the batteries it requires.

I have picked up a new woodgas stove ->

YouTube - Grover Rocket Stove Review

and it works great! I was about to build a means of creating biochar, but having a ready made TLUD would save me that effort.

Not sure about the free heat as it takes much wood to make char, but I do love woodgas stoves.
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Wood Gas with HHo?

I was wondering if anyone has seen or heard of anybody that has experimented with using an electolyzer and gasifier combination? Any links would be appreciated.
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Old 01-11-2011, 10:34 AM
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RE: wood gas and HHO

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I was wondering if anyone has seen or heard of anybody that has experimented with using an electolyzer and gasifier combination? Any links would be appreciated.

That is an interesting combination. I bet it would cut down on the smoke and make for a cleaner burn in the engine. I have not seen it done, but it sounds like it should work.

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HHO/gasifier

@ theremart,
Good points. I was also wondering if you could get though fuel savings that the hho gas/deisel setups claim to get( 30 to 50%?) Less wood,same energy? I realize that you need electricity for the HHO production, but if that was through solar or wind, You would be increasing your efficiancy every time the sun was shining or wind was blowing. Also the wood gasifier has the added benefit of combined heat/power options. Instead of losing your heat to the atmosphere, you could use the waste heat to power the electrolysis. Seems like scrubbing the wood gas would be much better with the hho, since the process does seem to create a dirty gas, as compared to propane and LP. I am planning on building a gasifier and I think I will have to play with this idea myself, because I can't find a single thing on the idea. I still have an hho generator that I built a while back, I just have to replace some parts I scrapped out of it and change out some of the brass fittings I mistakenly used during construction. If anybody that has any thoughts on the idea, I would enjoy hearing from you. Thanks mart.

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Geet/ gasifier

Geet is another interesting idea with wood gasification, but I have Too much on my plate, to start learning the geet stuff at the moment. From what I have read though, this sounds like another interesting combo.
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sorry

@Theremart,
Do you think these questions would be more appropriate on another or new thread? I didn't mean to get so off topic.
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Old 01-11-2011, 04:28 PM
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RE: questions.

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@Theremart,
Do you think these questions would be more appropriate on another or new thread? I didn't mean to get so off topic.
My mind floats in many different directions at time as well :-)

There are several threads on geet, and hydroxy, and biochar, the challenge becomes when you mix the too, are you really on the same thread.

Ya feel free to start a new thread in renewable energy for your topics.

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Old 05-23-2011, 12:21 AM
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Good video on youtube

YouTube - ‪top lit updraft (TLUD) wood cook stove‬‏

This looks VERY simple to make. I have emailed the place that was selling these and I am still waiting on them to get back with me

Oh well, This design looks soo simple I may just grab a paint can and get at it.
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YouTube - ‪top lit updraft (TLUD) wood cook stove‬‏

This looks VERY simple to make. I have emailed the place that was selling these and I am still waiting on them to get back with me

Oh well, This design looks soo simple I may just grab a paint can and get at it.
It is simple, I wouldn't bother buying it. Back in late 80' I had few burners/heaters in my woodworking shop working on the same principle. I loaded with shavings and off cuts, lit from the top. It was burning nice and slow heating few thousands feet of a floor space. I used modified 80 gal steel drums.


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chimney is very important

Great fine. i'll have to make a few of these !!
i like the paint can one with lid to save the char, using water is so messy.

this top lit up draft design, which gasifies also, as well as a gasifier (woodgas)
design both do require the chimney, like the rocket stove, to create a forced air flow.

This is why in earlier days most stove designs where using electric
fans to make them function.

The chimney is very important from two aspects.
1) creates forced air flow.
2) shields the gas combustion from external winds.

i did not have a chimney in this posted woodgas stove design.
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Made my first TLUD.

TLUD stove from paint cans. - YouTube


My first build of a TLUD stove. Copied paint can design already on the net.

I really like how cheap and easy this is to build. 2 paint cans and a soup can and you have a rocket stove with a pair of tin snips.

Does a good job of making biochar. Will be adding this to my garden.
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What I don't like about it is that you can't keep adding wood to it. What happens if your fuel burns out and the beans are half cooked?
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:32 PM
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What I don't like about it is that you can't keep adding wood to it. What happens if your fuel burns out and the beans are half cooked?
Good question.

My plan is to only fill the stove 1/4 full, bring the water to boil, then use heat retention to cook the beans, thus only taking 20 minutes to load, heat, then set and forget the cooking.

If you use wood pellets you get over an hour of cook time. and at the end you have biochar which my garden loves :-)
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There are lots of designs that produce bio char, so I'm not too worried about that. I am definitely more concerned about undercooked foods, and 20 minute beans are definitely not cooked.
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There are lots of designs that produce bio char, so I'm not too worried about that. I am definitely more concerned about undercooked foods, and 20 minute beans are definitely not cooked.
Look up heat retention cooking.

You heat the beans up to boiling then they cook for the next 4 hours with that built up heat because it does not escape. It is very kool.
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yeah, I know about heat retention cooking, but have you ever tried it? No matter what you do, boiling water is never above 212 degrees F (at sea level). As soon as you take the heat off, even with excellent insulation, that temperature starts to decrease. I'm not a fan of crunchy beans.

The better route to quick beans is with a pressure cooker, and that could be done with this stove. You increase the pressure, which allows the temperature to rise, so the beans cook at a much higher temp than 212F
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Old 11-20-2012, 01:46 AM
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yeah, I know about heat retention cooking, but have you ever tried it? No matter what you do, boiling water is never above 212 degrees F (at sea level). As soon as you take the heat off, even with excellent insulation, that temperature starts to decrease. I'm not a fan of crunchy beans.

The better route to quick beans is with a pressure cooker, and that could be done with this stove. You increase the pressure, which allows the temperature to rise, so the beans cook at a much higher temp than 212F
Yes, I have tried it with rice, now I am testing with beans with this means ->

thermos cooking (beans) - YouTube

It may take about 24 hours for them to cook, but will test to see how it does.

I agree normally retention cooking would not work, but this may get the job done.

I have looked at your rocket stove, looks impressive.

Cheers.
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Yeah, a thermos might work for beans. Alternatively, use a pressure cooker on the TLUD
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