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Old 02-17-2008, 10:14 AM
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Grow plants wit Led's

hello i have bin studying a bit on the subject of growing plants under LED,s
after i find out that a plant only use the color blue and red (a discovery of NASA to grow plants in space)

so from there i start to experiment wit it and make a lamp my self.








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Great work! LED's for plants are becoming more popular and less expensive.

Dr. John Ott has found much of this to be true as far as different colors on plants. He is the "father of full spectrum lights." Plants will also grow just with red light.

It was actually LED's for healing purposes that caused me to meet John Bedini because the company I was with had met him through some mutual attorney's I believe.

You can see some of my old products... this website is VERY OUTDATED right now. Chee Energy - DISCOUNTS! #1 Pulsed LED devices, Delwa, and more! so don't try to order anything through it. But what we found its that besides red and infrared lights, blue had some benefit and blue/red mix made a fuscia color just like you have on your plants! A very healing color. Our lights pulsed at different frequencies based on tissue resonance frequencies from embryonic origin of either ectoderm, mesoderm or endoderm tissue types. They are all harmonics of each other and the model we used was from Dr. Paul Nogier, the father of auriculotherapy (ear acupuncture) in modern times at least.
"Nogier frequencies"

Ectoderm tissue 292hz
mesoderm tissue 584hz
endoderm tissue 1168hz

All harmonics of the musical D note...found through the radial pulse reflex.

It would be interesting to see what these frequencies do to plants!
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Very interesting! On a side note, from my experience of growing cannabis plants in the past, during growth blue spectrum lights are recommended, as red light promotes (I'm not sure if that's the right word) stem growth, which results in longer/taller plants that seem to be stretched out. Also this way the bottom of the plant receives less light as the stem/top is constantly growing further away and you have to keep moving the light higher and higher. So to reduce this during the "growth" stages and to maximise the whole plant's exposure to light, blue light is recommended. While red light encourages stem growth during the "growth" stage of life, the plant also uses red light for the flowering. So this is why generally people will use metal halide (blue) lights for growth, and sodium (red) for flowering. The result is a shorter bushier plant.

But this applies to the particular cycles of the plant, I'm not sure how this information could be used for general plant growth.
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Hi dR-Green,

You probably have seen the black plastic that goes around the stem of tomato plants for keeping the ground warm, etc...

Recently in some gardening projects, I found at the garden store the same plastic but it is red (and perforated to let it breathe). The red plastic reflects red light back up to the plant from the sun (or whatever grow lights) increase tomato plant growth up to 20%.
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That's a good point. Although I wasn't doing it for observation purposes back then, I was highly enthusiastic about the whole venture so I noticed (almost) everything... Thinking back the red light seems to actually cause the stem to grow, putting the light higher is just an unfortunate side-effect that you can noticably see it get dimmer down below.

But to explain what I should have mentioned in the first post, I couldn't tell you the difference in growth over say a week or a month, but when using blue light for "growth" the stems (or nodes?) were approx 1cm apart, that is each layer of stems growing out of the main stem were 1cm apart, which indicated very low production of the MAIN stem, or growing to reach light (which in this part is irrelevant because the red light could be kept equally close to the top (main stem) as its growing upwards), while the plant grew OUT instead of up. After switching to red light for the flowering, and reducing the light to 11 hours 45 mins per day to induce flowering (growth was 18 hours on, 6 off), although I have no doubt some chemical changes were going on within the plant as it was getting ready to flower, the main stem over a period of a few days would become at least 2cm in length before another set of stems would appear growing outwards, so based on very rough judgement, that's at least twice the main stem growth in between layers. I'm not sure if the reduced hours of light would cause it to grow more or grow less, because it wouldn't be "reaching for the light" during darkness, so maybe that's something to look into.

So it seems to be an effect of an actual difference in the growth of the plant rather than just the obvious lack of light, or growing to reach the light.

And its been a while since I looked into this stuff, and I can't be sure if I actually read this so bare in mind I could be completely making this up... But does the colour of the light coming from the sun change over the period of the year, being at different angles and being filtered differently and what not, like its more red during the evening because of earth's atmosphere and so on... Maybe this happens naturally over the whole year, gradually changing between blue and red so plants behave differently.

[edit] Does the colour of the light that we see on earth coming from the sun change, not the actual light coming from the sun

I'll have to get my "grow box" back up again to get experimenting with different plants

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Good Work! About 3 months ago I seen some kid on "Instructables" do this. If I was going to grow plants this would definetly be my route.
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Great Thread

For some time I have been thinking to incorporate LED's with orgone generator on sacred geometric array. I theoretically think this could be used for healing and manifestation purposes. Imagine orgone generator emitting health giving energy if done right, then full spectrum lights (LED), and geometry that even drawn on a piece of paper could give you a lot of chi. All in all that could be an over-kill?

Then I saw perkl-light which sells for almost $500 that suppose for human body healing? However I don't see geometry or stated orgone technology or similar.

Thoughts do travel... well, some of it


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Great work! LED's for plants are becoming more popular and less expensive.

Dr. John Ott has found much of this to be true as far as different colors on plants. He is the "father of full spectrum lights." Plants will also grow just with red light.

It was actually LED's for healing purposes that caused me to meet John Bedini because the company I was with had met him through some mutual attorney's I believe.

You can see some of my old products... this website is VERY OUTDATED right now. Chee Energy - DISCOUNTS! #1 Pulsed LED devices, Delwa, and more! so don't try to order anything through it. But what we found its that besides red and infrared lights, blue had some benefit and blue/red mix made a fuscia color just like you have on your plants! A very healing color. Our lights pulsed at different frequencies based on tissue resonance frequencies from embryonic origin of either ectoderm, mesoderm or endoderm tissue types. They are all harmonics of each other and the model we used was from Dr. Paul Nogier, the father of auriculotherapy (ear acupuncture) in modern times at least.
"Nogier frequencies"

Ectoderm tissue 292hz
mesoderm tissue 584hz
endoderm tissue 1168hz

All harmonics of the musical D note...found through the radial pulse reflex.

It would be interesting to see what these frequencies do to plants!
It would be interesting to know the frequencies of DNA. That way it is very possible to activate DNA. This will be an alternative to ThetaHealing DNA activation.

I wonder where I could get these frequencies or an instrument to check these, or an old method dowsing?

Hmmm...

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Seems like it would save alot more in electricity than having high powered grow lights. excellent
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Hi,

If you read The Secret Life of Plants, there are details of an experiment where a plant was grown inside a box without any lights. If I recall correctly, the only thing done to it was a wire leading to an antenna/plate outside in the Sun connected to the earth the plant was growing in.

Also, with LEDs you will not achieve full-spectrum lighting because LEDs only emit in specific wavelengths, with a peak at a certain frequency, thus the predominant colour.
In order to achieve full-spectrum you have to dwell into the Wave Domain and Light Engines, but that's an area of nanotechnology that normal people do not have access to, yet, due to all kinds of things (still under research, IP/patents, other corporate bull****, cost of materials and production, etc).

Either way, it would be interesting to repeat that experiment from the abovementioned book and see what happens...
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If you read The Secret Life of Plants, there are details of an experiment where a plant was grown inside a box without any lights. If I recall correctly, the only thing done to it was a wire leading to an antenna/plate outside in the Sun connected to the earth the plant was growing in.
Sounds like Reichenbach.

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Also, with LEDs you will not achieve full-spectrum lighting because LEDs only emit in specific wavelengths, with a peak at a certain frequency, thus the predominant colour.
In order to achieve full-spectrum you have to dwell into the Wave Domain and Light Engines, but that's an area of nanotechnology that normal people do not have access to, yet, due to all kinds of things (still under research, IP/patents, other corporate bull****, cost of materials and production, etc).

Either way, it would be interesting to repeat that experiment from the abovementioned book and see what happens...
Yes I do agree with you, it will not achieve full spectrum. However I think, somehow it may be as close to full spectrum, due to blending of light colors, of infrared, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet, ultraviolet--all LED.

Wave Domain and Light Engines? This is way over my head, care to explain?

Thanks!
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Light engines can basically create light of any wavelength because the light is not created through conventional means but instead via nano sized arrays of antennas that emit waves of specific wavelengths in the light spectrum.

Obviously you can see the advantage to that, instead of using the red LED you could simply set the oscillator of the nano array to 630nm for example and get the red you want, or any other wavelength.
For that matter you could setup multiple wavelengths and get a whole spectrum...

Sadly most of these are either classified, for military, or some other non-public research , that of course we paid for but won't benefit from for another 20-30 years...figures.
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Thanks amigo!

Now, how can we break that technology...

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This company, among others, has broken into the technology: http://www.creative-technology.net/CTECH.html

Sadly, like everything else, it's geared and paid for by the Gov/Military, so us commoners won't see it any time soon.
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If you read The Secret Life of Plants, there are details of an experiment where a plant was grown inside a box without any lights. If I recall correctly, the only thing done to it was a wire leading to an antenna/plate outside in the Sun connected to the earth the plant was growing in.

Also, with LEDs you will not achieve full-spectrum lighting because LEDs only emit in specific wavelengths, with a peak at a certain frequency, thus the predominant colour.
In order to achieve full-spectrum you have to dwell into the Wave Domain and Light Engines, but that's an area of nanotechnology that normal people do not have access to, yet, due to all kinds of things (still under research, IP/patents, other corporate bull****, cost of materials and production, etc).

Either way, it would be interesting to repeat that experiment from the abovementioned book and see what happens...
For growing plants you don't need full spectrum. the plants only use two different wavelegths out of all the sunlight anyway. all they need is red and blue. Mostly red with a small percentage of blue and the plants are happy. all the other collors are not needed and you save a lot of energy by not having to creat ethe other colors. I have been building LED units for aquite a while.

Hand Held Light Therapy panels, Infrared light therapy, Red LED Lights, Healing with Light
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Lightbulb Led, Led, Led!!!

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For growing plants you don't need full spectrum. the plants only use two different wavelegths out of all the sunlight anyway. all they need is red and blue. Mostly red with a small percentage of blue and the plants are happy. all the other collors are not needed and you save a lot of energy by not having to creat ethe other colors. I have been building LED units for aquite a while.

Hand Held Light Therapy panels, Infrared light therapy, Red LED Lights, Healing with Light
Hello vzon,

Are you affiliated with that link or is that your website?. I read all of the pages, I think.

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DEPTH OF LIGHT PENETRATION As we developed more types of lights with different geometrical shapes, we were able to actually get light deeper into the body without going through the meridians. Initially, single frequency light penetrated approximately an inch and a half, but today, larger units can penetrate up to eight inches. It will go through the skull.
What is this larger units? That does mean more (700 pieces ) super bright red LEDs?

If you ever read the book mentioned at that site Amazon.com: Light Years Ahead: The Illustrated Guide to Full Spectrum and Colored Light in Mindbody Healing: Brian Breiling: Books

Does the book reveal about various LED colors too and their effects? Effects on glands, mental states, cakras, etc?

Yellow LED is for?
Violet LED?
Orange LED?
Green LED?

Or anyone who knows about the various color of LEDs and effects please do share.

This is interesting:

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BRAIN WAVE STUDIES We were studying the diagnosis of illnesses like
leukemia, etc through brainwave patterns. We were surprised to find
that when we treat the person with light, or with heat, that when the
body starts healing, it shifts into what is called a healing profile
where beta waves disappear, and alpha, theta and delta appear like
you wouldn't even find in a yogi.
Thanks everyone
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Lightbulb Sparked My Interest

THE QUANTUM ALLIANCE, INC.
$3,300.00 USD - WHOA!

I am guessing I can do this with violet LED without the hype of "quantum cold laser technology" and it will be a cheaper priced

I will put this on my psychotronic orgonite, but I will not just put the LEDs in there. It will be configured for the Light Emitting Diode colors to carry the informational field/s (program/s) of the psychotronic orgonite.

Hmmm... I have something to think about again!

Makes me happy when my brain is all fired up
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Henrii,

what are you hoping to do, or what are your areas of interest?

I gather from your posts above you are looking into alternative healing devices...?
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Henrii,

what are you hoping to do, or what are your areas of interest?

I gather from your posts above you are looking into alternative healing devices...?
Sorry amigo if my post is not related to growing plants

But I picked up some interesting info with this thread and sparked my interest.

Exchanging services

That's my old info on my alternative healing device, I am currently upgrading it to effect the mind not just the body. The technology mentioned here THE QUANTUM ALLIANCE, INC. I think is not new albeit the 100 programs included they were telling, I am speculating are digitalized.

You see light waves can carry human thought programms, and exposing someone's physical body to the carrier light wave will have an effect. You can say this is a quantum theory too. Radionic practitioners knew this all along and it is not very new.

Are you into alternative healing device too?

Thanks for reading,
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Hi henrii

Yes, I have been researching alternative healing for some time now and I'm glad that I have found someone in this forum with the same interest. Other forums I go to, not many people have done anything or are looking into, and are mostly focused on "free energy" and powering their cars with water - which bores me to tears by the way.

I'm trying to understand that Quantum Alliance Scalar Laser product, I do not see anthing scalar there. They use coherent laser light of a specific wavelength to do what? As far as I understand scalar (longitudinal) waves are produced through interference of two transverse waves.
Where are the two waves being produced and where are they intersecting using that device?

What about your device, DEEN, is that an electronics, radionics or some other kind of unit. Can others build and test it, are the plans available?

Thanks!
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Yes, I have been researching alternative healing for some time now and I'm glad that I have found someone in this forum with the same interest. Other forums I go to, not many people have done anything or are looking into, and are mostly focused on "free energy" and powering their cars with water - which bores me to tears by the way.
Well actually I want to research it too, but right now I have some priorities. Soon I will be one of them

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I'm trying to understand that Quantum Alliance Scalar Laser product, I do not see anthing scalar there. They use coherent laser light of a specific wavelength to do what? As far as I understand scalar (longitudinal) waves are produced through interference of two transverse waves.
Where are the two waves being produced and where are they intersecting using that device?
I don't find scalar technology too but I don't know that for sure

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What about your device, DEEN, is that an electronics, radionics or some other kind of unit. Can others build and test it, are the plans available?

Thanks!
It has been tested but I'm upgrading it. Yeah, it is definitely electronics. The plans isn't available. I made my own schematics. The whole new schematics now combined, the old electronics with a twist of programmed orgonite to affect the mind body and your current situation; like having more self esteem, energize cakras, or maybe give them manifesting abilities. So it's not your regular healing device.

Thank you too
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Hi henrii,

That's interesting to hear that you are combining electronics with orgonite, sounds unconventional...

Will you be sharing that new device with the rest of the world or are we all going to have to wait for you to die (God forbid) and leave us the patent, just like the rest of the inventors do?

Thanks.
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Are you affiliated with that link or is that your website?. I read all of the pages, I think.

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What is this larger units? That does mean more (700 pieces ) super bright red LEDs?

If you ever read the book mentioned at that site Amazon.com: Light Years Ahead: The Illustrated Guide to Full Spectrum and Colored Light in Mindbody Healing: Brian Breiling: Books

Does the book reveal about various LED colors too and their effects? Effects on glands, mental states, cakras, etc?

Yellow LED is for?
Violet LED?
Orange LED?
Green LED?

Or anyone who knows about the various color of LEDs and effects please do share.

This is interesting:

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Thanks everyone
Henrii
Yeah that is my website. I build and sell the LED units. I have that book you mentioned but have not read it all yet.
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That's interesting to hear that you are combining electronics with orgonite, sounds unconventional...

Will you be sharing that new device with the rest of the world or are we all going to have to wait for you to die (God forbid) and leave us the patent, just like the rest of the inventors do?

Thanks.
Thanks for your interest amigo.

I planned to sell it soon of course for $1000. With all the technology I have practically researched for for years and still ongoing, I should be paid With the capability and effectiveness of this new device, $1000 USD is a cheap price, I believe. If you look all the most expensive healing machines in the market there's nothing like it--for healing and for giving positive outlook in life and for having manifesting power.

Now, the sharing part will be coming from some of the income-money for humanitarian causes.

Before the technology itself was simple but now it's really complicated.

For now, the technology itself I will keep. Hoping in the coming future I will share it. Yeah, believe it, it's in my mind. For those who can't wait that long enough they can buy my healing device and open/dissect it, problem is how about my step by step in building the quantum technology?

Cheers!
Henrii

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Yeah that is my website. I build and sell the LED units. I have that book you mentioned but have not read it all yet.
Thanks for your response
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I can see all the illegal marijuana grow rooms now using cheap energy efficient LEDS
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Hello vzon,

Are you affiliated with that link or is that your website?. I read all of the pages, I think.

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What is this larger units? That does mean more (700 pieces ) super bright red LEDs?

If you ever read the book mentioned at that site Amazon.com: Light Years Ahead: The Illustrated Guide to Full Spectrum and Colored Light in Mindbody Healing: Brian Breiling: Books

Does the book reveal about various LED colors too and their effects? Effects on glands, mental states, cakras, etc?

Yellow LED is for?
Violet LED?
Orange LED?
Green LED?

Or anyone who knows about the various color of LEDs and effects please do share.

This is interesting:

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Henrii


Yes tha is my website. I make all the led units.
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Plants can be grown in complete darkness - Earth Energy?

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hello i have bin studying a bit on the subject of growing plants under LED,s after i find out that a plant only use the color blue and red (a discovery of NASA to grow plants in space) so from there i start to experiment wit it and make a lamp my self.
Great idea ray0energy!

As a further thought to this, I remember learning that plants can be grown in a cellar in complete darkness.

There is only 1 requirement that I am aware of, you run a copper wire from the plants soil/compost to the outside and bury it in the ground...!

Now that's what I call Earth Energy

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I would like to thank you ray0energy as it was through your U-tube videos that I became determined to build my first Newman motor. You are a great inspiration to others and ~Tesla ~ would be proud of you.

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About plants growing in the dark:

At the end of the page below you can find the drawing about how to grow the plants in the dark:

Agriculture: Electroculture, Biodynamic agriculture, Joel Sternheimer Plant Protein Music

it's Cosmiculture
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- also visit my websites at http://energy.100free.com/m_index.html

very interesting this plant growing system with just one or two colors !!

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At the end of the page below you can find the drawing about how to grow the plants in the dark:

Agriculture: Electroculture, Biodynamic agriculture, Joel Sternheimer Plant Protein Music

it's Cosmiculture
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- also visit my websites at TRUE MEDECINES - Index - review of available cures - MDG 2006-2007

very interesting this plant growing system with just one or two colors !!

MDG
In reading a web page and the a patent Hieronymous received, US Patent # 2,482,773,
does not limit transmission by wire to only sunlight.
It seems to suggest that placing a box of Miracle Grow or whatever
plant food you choose to use upon a receiver plate would have the same
effect as did the "PIPING-In" via copper wire that sunlight had.
Or maybe it was meant you place the minerals close to the sunlight receiver
plate was how to PIPE-IN the minerals.. I'm not sure about that point.

So I assume,
Direct contact of the minerals with the soil or the plant is not required.

What a savings, one box of plant food could last decades
Could this be combined with Aeroponics?
No soil, no minerals, no light, just water?

Hmmm,
Randy
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