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Old 01-20-2010, 06:49 AM
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Aaron,
Yes I remember that hookup he used it on me, he was the only man the cured me. I still have all his lights somewhere here. Peters light worked also on my finger. in fact he told me to sleep with that wire under the bed sheets, it did work in my basement. Rodger was smart about those things.
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Thanks John, will check it out.

Also looks like that chicken wire grid under the bed at Rodger's
that I connected to the earth rods. It speeded healing.
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All kind of things like this have been tried, some of it works and some does not. I did that experiment with my Ham antenna and blew out two radios. Wont be doing that again and yes it does build a charge up.
I think elevating a plate in the air and bringing a wire to the cellar to grow plants works the best.
You could try Tesla's patent other people have made that work.
John B
Thank you. However my question is regarding the energy source. Wether the device that mentioned by Tesla as using sun really is using energy from sun light. Wether it is affected by the existance of the sun or not.

I never heard the relation of sun with the captured radiant power of the antenna, IIRC someone here mention to have greater energy at dawn. No relation to sun.

If this energy not related to sun, then it is possible that Tesla patent replication will not work for plant unless the wire/plate touch the plant, which is different matter (Robert beck?), the same kind of electrocuting ourself with kelvin water droplet electricity. I think everyone try to replace big copper plate on top of the roof with very long small insulated wire will fail to transfer energy carried by sun light to the plant.


In short, I don't agree that Tesla patent is about capturing energy carried by sun light and I want to know if you previously notice the relation between REAC with sun light. Wether REAC will not work at night or not. Wether REAC will work best at sunny day or not.



Another in synch, I recently talk about healing bed to a friend in youtube with this source, a bed surrounded with bifilar coil:
Possible Generation of Dark Energy Via Large Bifilar Coil

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Another in synch, I recently talk about healing bed to a friend in youtube with this source, a bed surrounded with bifilar coil:
Possible Generation of Dark Energy Via Large Bifilar Coil
I do not understand the circuit on that page. He has 4 FWBR, but where do the +/- outputs connect to?

When you wind that 500ft of speaker wire (a wire-pair) into a coil, you have two wires at the beginning and two at the end, but we have 4 pairs of outputs from FWBRs? What's the actual hookup then?
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I do not understand the circuit on that page. He has 4 FWBR, but where do the +/- outputs connect to?

When you wind that 500ft of speaker wire (a wire-pair) into a coil, you have two wires at the beginning and two at the end, but we have 4 pairs of outputs from FWBRs? What's the actual hookup then?
I think the rectifier is actually consist of 4 FWBR in paralel. We connect it just like connecting to one FWBR.

It is mentioned that the bed is powered with pulsed 60Hz DC (although I think if we full bridging 60Hz AC we would get 120Hz DC). The output should all connect to two terminal of the bifilar.
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Yuck, 60hz. No wonder he felt tired.
When playing with frequencies, its very important you know what your doing. The coil and setup might have been fine, but always go the extra step and allow yourself control of the frequencies. Never let the grid massage you. I have a frequency bible that is over 500 pages of every possible frequency imaginable, all gleaned from non-classified internet sources.


@Jeanna , etc

I am not sure what you plan on growing, (bamboo does great for co2 capturing) but if its going to get TALL, then make sure your led board is able to raise up and lower easily. Once plants get pretty tall and if you are using LEDs, not alot of light will get to the bottom of the plant, and it will become top heavy and become a mess. I recommend putting the plants in a mirror room or box, and waste no opportunity to reflect light back to the plant, including having a reflective plastic cover the dirt to reflect light back up from the underside. Think that shiny stuff birthday balloons are made out of.

If you have already started and do not have a hall of mirrors already, then you can bend the plant every day a little bit so its main stem grows sideways and its branches go up. Banzai style space saver too. Plants aren't smart and don't really know where they should grow, so they go everywhere, and you are to care for it.

Along the lines of "Waking plants up" I was reading about a specific miracle plant procedure where a half an hour before watering/feeding time, a tape was played of very specific frequencies to simulate bird songs, and then the special mix was fed to the plants. Something about the resonant frequency of specific protein factories sped up growth... but I can not find those frequencies. Anyway, just like Pavlovian dogs, the sound before feeding opened the plants up to be more receptive to the nutrients. I bet a mix-tape of local birds would do well. Who knows, maybe specific birds resonate specific plants to grow better?


Johnathan Ott? Jonathan Ott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was under the impression he made this music
Amazon.com: Blumenkraft: OTT: Music
but I may be wrong.
Its my favorite CD bar-none.

I did not know he made a light.

I saw a product from LESS-EMF that is a car seat with a grounding connection. Its claimed to reduce electrostatic stress on the user.
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That looks like a different John Ott, this is the one I referred to before:
John Ott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He is the father of "full spectrum lighting".

That is a good analogy with the Pavlovian method with the sound.

Here is one sound method that works:
Sonic Bloom - Organic Nutrients for your plants, garden or farm
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hi guys i have doing sam more growing whit LED this time i use SUPER RGBs
and i put a bonsia tree under it.

so now i let the plant under this light for 24 h so no dark



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suggestion for LED pulse frequency = 7.2 - 8.2Hz, 400-800nm wavelength

From Igor Smirnov:

Method and device for producing ... - Google Patent Search

http://www.vandrÝring.dk/pdffiler/Activated%20water.pdf

The example of use:
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Water activated with this mixture found to be excellent for use for enhancing setting of concrete and removal of bacteria from contaminated water, as well for rejuvination of healthy cell
He use it on water, but I don't see the problem of directing it to plant?




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hi guys i have doing sam more growing whit LED this time i use SUPER RGBs
and i put a bonsia tree under it.

so now i let the plant under this light for 24 h so no dark



Hi Ray does white leds grow plants better than red/blue?
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Hi Ray does white leds grow plants better than red/blue?
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hi Guruji white leds ar not the way. becous they dont have so mats red light

see here the spectrum of the whit led VS RGB led



so thats way i like to play wit RGB high power so u can giv the plant the best spectrum.

here is a good site on lets and there spectrum. this guy have done a lot of work to find any led on the planet the show us
The LED Museum - LEDs - LED Flashlights - Gallium Indium Nitride UV, violet, purple, blue, aqua, turquoise, green, white. Also Gallium Arsenide and others. New LED MUSEUM! GaN, InGaN, SiC, GaAs, GaP, GaAlP, ZnSe, flashlight, flashlights.

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Post ancient earth ecology

reproducing ancient earth ecology will increase plant growth.

One of two conditions: the filtering of sunlight, filter out IR and UV radiation.

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Dr. Kei Mori of Keio University in Tokyo. Dr. Mori raised plants under special light that filtered out IR and UV radiation. His unique process of fiberoptic sunlight collection and transmission, called "Himawari Sunlighting" (bottom left), is now marketed worldwide. At first Mori feared the filtered light would be detrimental. But after extensive experiments he claimed it could promote healing and "because the ultraviolet is blocked, this sunlight does not fade fabrics or damage skin." (Gilmore, Elaine, "Sunflower over Tokyo," Popular Science, May 1988, p. 75.) One long-lived tomato plant (shown right) was grown in a special nutrient-rich solution to be exhibited at the Japan Expo �85. Under piped sunlight and controlled atmosphere, this tomato tree grew over 30 ft high and yielded more than 13,000 ripe tomatoes during the six months of the Expo! (Hiroshi, Koichibara, "Tomatomation," UNESCO Courier, March 1987.)
A must see:
For confirming evidence supporting ancient earth ecology watch:

The Killing of Paradise Planet
@00:33:25 of video covers Japanese physicist Dr. Kei Mori of Kao University in Tokyo

Help me out here, what LEDs would produce the least
amount of IR and UV light?
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Create your own IR filter

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Help me out here, what LEDs would produce the least
amount of IR and UV light?
randy

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Create your own IR filter
yellow?

I think this is a very interesting question.
I have been planning an experiment that would have single color leds as the only light source.
It might be a great start, just to try out each led color with a simple plant and take measurements after a week then a month.
It requires some under-used closets, or something like that, but making up a few led circuits is a very easy job.

I will be very happy to follow what you are learning from your experiments.
Bravo

jeanna

oops I missed your ps link. I will check that one too- j
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amount of IR and UV light?
If you see the graph above your post, LED have very thin bandwith range. So if the LED is red then it only emit mostly red without ever going to infra.

Even the white one has very limited bandwith from the graph show above.

My opinion is you don't need filter. any LED will not produce UV or IR unless it is specifically designed to emit at that light spectrum.

Filter may actually reduce efficiency because it may actually block the spesific bandwith that the LED emit.

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hi Guruji white leds ar not the way. becous they dont have so mats red light

see here the spectrum of the whit led VS RGB led



so thats way i like to play wit RGB high power so u can giv the plant the best spectrum.

here is a good site on lets and there spectrum. this guy have done a lot of work to find any led on the planet the show us
The LED Museum - LEDs - LED Flashlights - Gallium Indium Nitride UV, violet, purple, blue, aqua, turquoise, green, white. Also Gallium Arsenide and others. New LED MUSEUM! GaN, InGaN, SiC, GaAs, GaP, GaAlP, ZnSe, flashlight, flashlights.
Hi Rayoenergy RGB stands for Red;Green and Blue? And what about yellow leds did you try these?
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Yellow leds

Yes in one of my 1e projects (see the pics in the 1e page)
I use ir leds and uv LEDs to make the hole spectrum
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LED Street Lights: A Foolish and Unhealthy Idea by Ken Adachi (April 21, 2010)

From a health perspective, employing the very limited and NARROW band width of frequencies emitted by LEDs as ambient light, is a HUGE mistake.

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From a health perspective, employing the very limited and NARROW band width of frequencies emitted by LEDs as ambient light, is a HUGE mistake.
There is no explanation why unfortunately.

Also, if you believe that sun rays carry orgone energy, it won't be replaceable with any kind of lighting except with tesla impulse lighting.
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The late Dr John Ott discovered this many years ago when he conducted tests of growing plants using various types of artificial lighting. Only lighting which most closely emulated the sun's spectrum of light (incandescent lighting), produced the best results. Fluorescent light produced the WORST results
UMMM
Then why are ott lights the fluorescent type?

(I think this is an example of the kind of disinfo designed to make people fight with each other. This happens all the time in health fields.)

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Yes in one of my 1e projects (see the pics in the 1e page)
I use ir leds and uv LEDs to make the hole spectrum
The research shows the UV light hinders plant growth.
do watch the video: "The Killing of Paradise Planet" in the previous post.

i think i might have misspoken about IR being bad, it might only be the UV.
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Then why are ott lights the fluorescent type?
Interesting .

I just replace some of my light with incandescent and do not notice any difference. I think there are things that have more influence on our body than light. Water that we drink or food that we ate for instance.
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If uv was bad for plants, then why do plants thrive in sunshine?

Humans don't do well if uv is filtered.

There is uvA and ubB. Most sunscreens block the good stuff that causes
vitamin d to be produced in our body, which it allows the bad stuff
through that causes skin cancer, etc... This is a very sad fact.
YouTube - The Real Story on Vitamin D

So everything has to be in balance.
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If uv was bad for plants, then why do plants thrive in sunshine?

Humans don't do well if uv is filtered.

There is uvA and ubB. Most sunscreens block the good stuff that causes
vitamin d to be produced in our body, which it allows the bad stuff
through that causes skin cancer, etc... This is a very sad fact.
YouTube - The Real Story on Vitamin D

So everything has to be in balance.
I agree and the uv of LEDs at 400nm wits is most
common ar perfect for plants it is good for smel and taste.
I am about to do a bit more extensiv work on this.
I have a new workshop (lap) wit lots of space.
Soon I will make sam howto videos on my YouTube cannal
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Interesting .

I just replace some of my light with incandescent and do not notice any difference. I think there are things that have more influence on our body than light. Water that we drink or food that we ate for instance.
Some info about CFLs: YouTube - The dark side of the CFL
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Uv leds interesting to here about these. Ray but with blue and red some guys said that worked for them.
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I just found some very interesting parts to the uv puzzle.

First, I listened to a long video by mercola, and while there were quite a few slips of the tongue that he made, I can be pretty sure I have this right.
First he was talking about how Vit D3 is made by uv-b and destroyed by uv-a
there are many more details but we are talking about lights and plants here, so I just want to share this with you:

this page explains about the bands and wavelengths and even that you cannot SEE the uv-b
that is very important because if you do not see it you might think it is not there, right?

these specific numbers are given
450 - 400 nm Violet, (visible light, shown for reference)
400 - 320 nm UVA, Long Wave, Black Light
320 - 280 nm UVB, Medium Wave ---mercola says this is needed for D3 prodx in skin.
280 - 100 nm Short Wave, Germicidal


Anyway this page is about the absorption of uv in fluorescent paint as a way to "see" that you are getting uv light from your bulbs, and may be useful in some of the ideas on this thread.

For what it is worth...

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I am aware of that. It just that I don't feel it, the plant in my wife garden with yellow CFL don't feel it.

My wife's plant being exposed by yellow CFL all night and rarely exposed to sunlight. If there are bad effect of limited band CFL, it surely being over powered with a simple copper tub in water hose, my wife's plant new leaf is consitently longer than the old one:




That is last year. Now all have long one despite being exposed to yellow CFL all night everyday.

And I already forget when my wife's orchid do not bloom, since it seems to bloom all the time while the one just recently bought when blooming is already fall.


My point is, I think bad effect from CFL can be overpowered with other things easily.
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Anyway this page is about the absorption of uv in fluorescent paint as a way to "see" that you are getting uv light from your bulbs, and may be useful in some of the ideas on this thread.
Not just by filtering, The phospor it self can be made to emit light on different light spectrum by mixing it with other elements.
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about that facts

1) Might it be possible a plant, (not being a human being) does not like intensity of UV light they receive currently?
2) Might it be possible the intensity of UV light was greatly reduced at one time in earth's history?
3) Might it be possible that a reduced intensity of UV light would not effect
human's Vitamin D production?

You must ignore the fact the a SINGLE 30 foot tall tomato plant to produced
13,000 ripe tomatoes in 6 months without UV light and additional CO2.
Ask yourself if anyone else has reproduced the extreme plant growth
seen in the tomato plant above using only an increase in CO2?

Again i suggest watching The Killing of Paradise Planet video that
was posted earlier in this thread which explains facts that support
the possibilities asked in the questions above.
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I just watching the video. Interesting . Remind me of breathing in liquid oxygen.

My opinion:

The isolated canopy could also act as orgone accumulator. The canopy are not completely isolated from the sun because it still allow orgone to conduct.

And Dr. Kei Mori is actually using sunlight via fiber optic:
HIMIWARI MOVES BENEATH THE SEA - (Lessons From The Future vol 9)
Fiber Optic Solar Lighting Roundup

So the effect is not caused by simulated light. Not LED powered plant.

For experiment for filtering light, how about usgin prism? see at what color rainbow the plant grow better?

I thought CO2 is global warming pollutant? and we have more CO2 today?

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Blue and red

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Uv leds interesting to here about these. Ray but with blue and red some guys said that worked for them.
Thanks
Blue and red is fine for starters but I think it's better to a more biger
Color spectrum sins the LEDs I use have no bad efects on my plants.
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