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Old 06-26-2009, 08:12 PM
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Cosmiculture, groovy ;-)

I too have tried growing "lettuce" under the LED's. Got these strips of 12 led's from china and used 3 red strips for each blue one. about 100 strips per board. I dont know if its sacriligious or not but I called it my "Electric Jesus", because thats all I could think of when I saw it turn on. Maybe it would save me ?

In early growth, the plants were VERY satisfied with the light. Healthy, quick. But in mid growth and flowering, I had to keep raising up the light board and I could tell the bottom of the plant wasnt getting enough, so I added a cheapy grow light from the garden store, and it seemed in the area where the incandecant light and LED light mixed, it would confuse plants. they would grow away from that hemicircle, and the plants there looked either burnt or tired. I dont think they liked the mix. Also all I was giving em was miracle grow, that magic NPK firespitting technology which I know now is trash.

They did well but I have seen better with real HPS lights. One month, when I was away and my room was on autopilot and both EJ's running, my electricity bill was only 12 dollars. about 300 watts for 2 EJ's, compared to the theoretical 1500 watts of (1 big and 1 small) HPS light.

But personally, to have a room where soothing violet light brings up some plants, works very relaxing. I do not think I saved "MONEY" by 'brewing my own' , seeing how the lights were a thousand and the rest of the expenses might be around 500... Would have been cheaper to get my "FOOD" from the supermarket... but I did get alot of knowledge and experience which you couldn't have bought. and I still have my EJ!

It seemed after 1 year of use, 1/5 of the blue light strips had faults. They would flash on and off, and that cyclic nature prob. burnt them. They would always flash before they burnt out, but only the blue ones. The blue LED's used about .4 v more then the red ones.

So, yes, LED's work well. You either pay money in the beginning for better lumen producers, or pay money later for oversized electric bill.
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I read in one of Viktor Schauberger work that leaves has color that filter the most unwanted color for it's growth. green on tropical forest, red/yellow on northern/southern part. Would the red and blue work for every plant?
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Hmm. Actually, only specific acid loving plants work with the 3/1 ratio. Other plants would require different proportions, But to be honest plants are living things with multiple inputs. If one is unsatisfactory, it will try to live off of what it has.

I know a friend of mine has a red painted party light used to grow plants, and he says it works... I don't know if that plant is loving life as much as it could, but its still getting bigger. I would say a majority of garden plants would thrive under LED's but each species likes different proportions. I would imagine that green leafed plants would work great under the purple light, but the fancy plants in the desert might not like it as much, or require less blue, or something.

Only one way to find out
"Heibi international" sells cheap led solutions. The price is good but I'm finding some LED's failed after a year.
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Hi guys, nice reading about LED.

I believe Red-Blue is the way to go, so this using full-spectrum is kind of strange, you do know, of course that chlorophyll gets damages in certain spectrum.

About plants growing taller or wider, I'm amazed that you don't nip the buds. I practice that, and it ensures plants grow as I want them, and planned correctly they plants grow healthily, and bloom vibrantly.
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white leds

Hi guys what about white leds? Are they good to grow plants?
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Its all in the frequencies. The plant drinks up the blue and red, while white I am not sure of , however blue and red are inside of white if you split it.

All I could say is maybe, try it. I would think they wouldn't get enough though...
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Hi guys what about white leds? Are they good to grow plants?
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might want to check that, i read a few days ago somewhere while reseraching LED's that TRUE WHITE LED's don't exist, something about the blue's becoming whiter and whiter but not actually evern being truly white, yet.

I could be wrong but something to look into if your trying for some prue white.
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white led

The white led's are good enough to have a positive effect and there is a
very, very specific application of them with red and blue for plant growth.
I sent a message to my friend that did the studies to see if I can post the
protocol, which is SOOO simple but makes a big difference. As soon as I
hear back, I'll post it if he doesn't mind.
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white, red/blue leds for plants

Ok, with the white led's.....

Use white LED's for 5 minutes on the plant,
turn them off then use only red and blue.
For the last 5 minutes, turn off the red and
blue and do just white for 5 minutes.

white 5 minutes > red blue however long > white 5 minutes

The white light "WAKES UP THE PLANT" if using
white for 5 minutes before doing red/blue, then
the red/blue are much more effective. I have the
pics somewhere showing the difference. May post
them if I can find them.
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Ok, with the white led's.....

Use white LED's for 5 minutes on the plant,
turn them off then use only red and blue.
For the last 5 minutes, turn off the red and
blue and do just white for 5 minutes.

white 5 minutes > red blue however long > white 5 minutes

The white light "WAKES UP THE PLANT" if using
white for 5 minutes before doing red/blue, then
the red/blue are much more effective. I have the
pics somewhere showing the difference. May post
them if I can find them.
Thanks Aaron for the info. Is there a time how much one should use blue and red?
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light cycle

For example, if you have something that blossoms or fruits, you keep the
lights on for about 18 hours on and 6 hours off.

Then, whenever you want the plant to believe it is time to start
blossoming and fruiting, cut the light to 12 hours on and 12 hours off.

That will almost always cause it to start budding.
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For example, if you have something that blossoms or fruits, you keep the
lights on for about 18 hours on and 6 hours off.

Then, whenever you want the plant to believe it is time to start
blossoming and fruiting, cut the light to 12 hours on and 12 hours off.

That will almost always cause it to start budding.
Aaron,

Are you referring to the LED (White - Red/Blue - White) sequence or just to normal light usage.
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light cycle

Either one.

With normal light, same.

And with the white led before and after the red/blue, the
total light time should be the same as what you'd do with
normal light.

By cutting back on the light to 12/12, the plant thinks it
is getting to the end of season and the sun is getting less
and less and starts to bud.

I'll ask my friend if there is any reduced light time with the
led's but I don't think so.
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Wow, this is excellent.
Thank you Aaron and everybody.
I think I will use a joule thief in one room and a regular 2 batteries with resistor circuit type deal in another.
I am about to buy some fresh air plants (for air for me to breathe) and this is well timed.
I have extra reds but not extra blues. Hmm OK.

How nice to be able to combine my interests of biology, energy healing, and joule thief in one project.
This makes me smile!

thank you,

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light spectrum and plants

Hi Jeanna,

Yeah, all this fits nicely together.

For light colors and plants, there is a great video by Dr. Ott, the father
of "full spectrum light" called "Exploring the Spectrum". I just found my copy
a couple weeks ago - thought I lost it.

Anyway, here is a 7-8 minute clip from it:
YouTube - John Ott - Exploring the Spectrum, Pioneer in Time-Lapse Photography, Photo-Biology

I couldn't find the full length online but it may be at libraries. It is one of
those rare older gems of info on light and health, plant growth, etc...
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That is a cool video.
I especially like the waltzing plants!!

I want to go deeper into the colors question, though.
I have met Dr Ott, at a show, and we talked a bit, because a health food store in Boston had carried his lights and explained them. I always felt more relaxed when using my ott light.

My questions now, are about the leds.
I am combining a couple of projects today and I am soldering together a batch of red leds that I have never used, because I would like to test this. I don't even have the plants yet.

I am assuming the red and blue with 5 minutes of white to stimulate flowering is much more recent research.
Does your friend think leds are superior to ott lights?

Leds are more in line with my jt experiments, however, I certainly can use an ott light with my jt circuits. I think I no longer own my ott light and I have recently purchased 2 grow lights, but my druthers would be to stick with the leds and study them by color as your friend has.

I will go ahead and devise my own tests, but if you have any more information, please share.

and
thank you so much for what you have shared.

jeanna

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I am assuming the red and blue with 5 minutes of white to stimulate flowering is much more recent research.
Does your friend think leds are superior to ott lights?
The 5 minute white, hours of red/blue and 5 minutes of white is for both
growth and flowering. It is the reduction of light hours that stimulate the
flowering - tricking them into thinking the daylight is getting shorter.

I just skyped him to see if he can post here.

One thing that needs to be researched is - are there specific frequencies of
pulsing the red/blue that have benefits.
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are there specific frequencies of
pulsing the red/blue that have benefits.
You are exactly right. === I am sure there are.
and
I am so glad you asked him to join us.

Even if he does not, I am happy to be working with this.

thank you,

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Just curious. Would a green plant become pale if exposed to only red and blue LED?

Would the plant become whiter or more transparent?
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Old 01-16-2010, 12:03 AM
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No, just very green.

There are experiments growing plant in the pitch black too.
Something like simply bringing something like a coppe wire from outside
that is in the sun and sticking the other end in the soil in the pitch black.

I can't remember the reference to this, Richenbach or something, I'll
post it if I can find it. Showing the transfer of the energy of the light
to the plant.
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lol, synchronicity

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Thanks. Synchro happen too often here .
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I thought I had the source, but I only have the little factoid. (I hate when I do that!)
For whatever it is worth then, here it is:

"==============
I have heard of this trick...: you put a metal plate on your roof, then put one on (preferably in)
the ground (!) in your basement, and put a potted plant on that. Then you take another metal plate, suspend it
over the plant as if it were a lamp, and connect it to the plate on your roof using a wire. It is claimed the plant will
grow as if it is receiving sunlight. I do not know if this is true, have not tested it nor do I know anyone who has.
====="

It is pretty easy to try, if you have an earthen basement.

jeanna



Here it is from borderlands, of course...


Conducting Chlorophyll Energy over Wires - KeelyNet 03/25/02
by Dr. T. Galen Hieronymous

From Journal Of Borderland Research - Sep/Oct 1990, page 22.

About 1930, I decided to try an experiment of conducting Chlorophyll Energy over wires. I had been conducting Eloptic Energy over long distance via wire.

A wood platform was installed on the south side of the house about six feet above the ground in order to get the desired potential of energy which increases with distance above the ground.

hier2.jpg ¨Having some wooden cigar boxes available, I cut boxes apart and cut pieces and made eight boxes that were 2" X 2" X 4" although any size boxes will work.

Aluminum foil was placed on the bottom of seven boxes inside so as to be in contact with the soil.

Similar pieces of foil were placed on the underside of the lid of each box.

Wires were connected to each piece of foil, the wires from the lids were extended to the sun plates, the wires from the bottom foils were connected to the water pipe and thus grounded.

See Figure #2 (on the right) for details of the box construction.

Refer to Figure #1 which shows a 'side' view of the installation.
hier1.jpg ¨
Figure #3 shows the system of connections.
hier3.jpg ¨
Seven plates were placed on the platform so as to pick up energy from the sun and a wire was connected to each plate and extended down into the basement, each box having the top foil plate connected via wire to a plate out on the platform in the sunlight. The eighth box had no connection to the outside, it being the 'control'.

The plates on the platform were all different in size. The smallest was 2" X 4", the next 4" X 8", the largest was about 8" X 10" and one plate was copper screen wire.

Some dirt was screened and 1/2 inch of dirt placed in each box. Oat seeds were selected, all of uniform size and planted in two rows of 5 seeds spaced in each row, the 1/2" of dirt was placed on top in the box. The same amount of water was added to each box as needed from day to day.

All of the seeds sprouted about the same time. Then we noticed that there was no chlorophyll in the 10 plants in the control box. All of the boxes connected to outside plates had plants with much chlorophyll.

We were quite surprised to note that the plants in boxes with large outside plates seemed to look as if they had been subjected to heat. Apparently the large outside plates were bringing in an excess of energy compared with the effect of the small size outside plates.

Very soon, the plants grew too tall for the small amount of 'head room' in the boxes so each box was equipped with a spacer to raise the top of each lid up about 3/4".

The boxes were placed on a shelf in the end of the basement where there was little light, with no windows at that end. Also, the shelf was kept dark by a board placed in front and another on top to exclude all light. The plants were dark all of the time except when they were examined by a flashlight.

A friend tried to duplicate the experiment, but did not follow all instructions. Their basement was only about 3 feet from the basement floor to the ground level outside.

Instead of placing the outside plates above ground 6 feet, they laid on the ground, thus they did not have the potential differences between outside collector and inside boxes and the experiment was a failure. Also, there was a window near that let much light into where the boxes were placed.

Anyone who expects to duplicate an experiment should be sure they know all the factors and that they follow the instructions exactly without any substitution or change. And as to changes, if you are trying to get a special result and are trying out several methods or ideas, one of the cardinal points to doing good work is to make just one change at a time.

Then you know just what the results are. If you make two changes and the result is a failure, you do not know but that one of the changes and the results is a failure, you do not know but that one of the changes may have been alright.
======

thank you borderlands
I will see if I can find the jpegs.
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Interesting Jeanna - didn't realize a ground plate was part of this
and a plate over the plants, never looked into it, just remember the
reference.

To me, there might be other things going on but, it sure looks like
a capacitor that the plants are sitting inside of.
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Aaron,
People have been growing plants like this for a long time. look at Tesla's free energy patent you will see where this came from.
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Interesting Jeanna - didn't realize a ground plate was part of this
and a plate over the plants, never looked into it, just remember the
reference.

To me, there might be other things going on but, it sure looks like
a capacitor that the plants are sitting inside of.
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healing bed

Thanks John, will check it out.

Also looks like that chicken wire grid under the bed at Rodger's
that I connected to the earth rods. It speeded healing.
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I thought I had the source, but I only have the little factoid. (I hate when I do that!)
Without ground plate, that is what Baron Karl Von Reichenbach did.

Unfortunately, the pdf is not in text, otherwise I would post many quote about it...

Researches on magnetism, electricity ... - Google Books

or other BKVR document at archive.org


I don't agree that it is a capacitor since I believe what involves is not electric nor magnetic nor orgone. I believe what involves is od force.

Since od force travel trough metal, I think our grid electricity may contain this od force. Between power plant to city electricity usually distributed using thick bare wire. I think connecting the plate above plant to one of the wall electricity leg may have the same effect as wiring plate above roof. Lethal though.

Maybe the LED also transfer energy from outside town power company HV wire "antenna". We can try to just connect the plate to an adaptor leg and see what happen. Wood, paper, plastic, silk, lead, copper or anything in an adaptor can transfer od force so I think it may transfer od force from grid too.


Another interesting effect in color mentioned previously. BKVR notice that different sun light frequency / spectrum carries different od force. He do experiment where the copper plate is exposed to only spesific color from the sun spectral color. The recipient at underground can notice the change and felt the difference. I forget where it referenced but he also mention that moon only reflect some of sun od force.


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Aaron,
People have been growing plants like this for a long time. look at Tesla's free energy patent you will see where this came from.
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The energy is the same as the energy that generate electricity? Do this means tesla antenna would also receive energy from moon too?

I think Tesla do not utilize energy from sun but utilize energy from earth potential difference. Where higher antenna location will give different potential.


To see if both are the same, following experiment is needed. 4 condition. All require a plate on top of the plant. Where group A using ground and group B do not. Group 1 using long aerial antenna and group 2 using big plate facing the sun or moon.


If 1B has equal growth as 2B then aerial antenna and sun produce the same usable energy for plant.

If A do not grow better than B than ground potential do not have any effect.

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Mr Bedini, do the spark plug spark gap charger with coaxial wire as antenna you corrected (sorry, forget the url, still try to find it) or any device capturing energy from sun just like tesla patent work only on sunny day?

edit, found the link:
Radiant Energy Aerial Capture (REAC)

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Sucahyo,
All kind of things like this have been tried, some of it works and some does not. I did that experiment with my Ham antenna and blew out two radios. Wont be doing that again and yes it does build a charge up.
I think elevating a plate in the air and bringing a wire to the cellar to grow plants works the best.
You could try Tesla's patent other people have made that work.
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edit, found the link:
Radiant Energy Aerial Capture (REAC)
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