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Aether Force Exposing Aether Force and their fraud against the work of Eric Dollard. Techzombie of Aether Force was born Rayam Azab Youssef, changed his name to Ray Savant then changed his name to Mohamed Youssef. This is to address his fraudulent allegations.

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Old 07-17-2013, 07:58 AM
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So Eric is upset that I posted that I thought he should not have to climb the poles huh.

Well I'm entitled to my opinion and I am a trained tradesman that has been
taught workplace health and safety, if he climbs poles and other people are
there it's fine, but if he does it alone was my only concern.

He needn't bother think that I am trying to undermine his efforts. I posted out
of pure logic and concern, he can take it however he likes though because it's
a free world he can do as he pleases.

I posted a fair comment after watching the interview from the conference.

It's not my fault Techzombie replied to me.

If Eric doesn't like people giving their opinion he should stay off the public
forums. Or ignore it.

I did nothing but showed concern and ask some questions. I have zero to feel bad about.

You should have had someone buy up the domain names as soon as possible.

I could make a webpage with any unused domain name if I wish. As far as I can tell.

Some of us have years of experience in structural steel erections, as trained
tradesmen.

If Eric thinks i am a keyboard Jockey he is sadly mistaken and making an invalid assumption.

Obviously all the denouncing Eric did of the (certain groups of people) meant nothing as he is now in league with them.

I think this requires clearing up of the matter.

Which of the people Eric previously denounced are now ok ?

We need to hear from Eric who he is aligned with and who he see's as ok now.

So Ray Savant is out who is still in ? Aaron,Peter,John,David, is David still ok ?

The Navy is still in Eric's good books I think.

People are donating money but do they really know what for and what Eric stands for ?

I folks are gonna donate they have a right to expect to know what will come
of it or what the intended overall outcome will be.

I'll donate money to anyone for food and shelter but I don't donate for people
to do experiments. If Eric's food and shelter needs are met he needs no
money from me. I think all of us would like a big Lab and field to work in but
most of us only want it if we can pay for it, the owner will always have the say.

If Eric is still fit and healthy he ought to be able to earn his own money.

Personally I have a serious neck problem where i have had two discs removed
from my neck four years ago and the fusion didn't take I have screws in my
neck that my body sees as foreign objects and suffer incredible pain everyday
while waiting to be fixed I've been waiting four yeas now since the problem
arose after the operation, before that I had two completely collapsed discs in
my neck for over 15 years and held down boilermaking jobs while having two
ruptured discs in my neck. Eric is fit and healthy he needs no help from me.
No one should feel sorry for me, life is tough. Many others suffer a similar fate.

He should go and earn some money and be the master of his own fate.

Good luck Eric.
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:20 AM
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Ray is the instigator here and John P has been promised something that is due to him in the future and this is why he is backing this - from what I can gather.

I have no idea what you are talking about here, but I would like to know!


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Ray and John P are LIARS and they are LYING to everyone here about who I am or what I'm doing.

What am I lying about that you keep referencing? Is that what you do when you can't refute facts? Call someone a liar to mitigate their argument? Its a pretty serious charge to call someone a liar in my book. So if your going to continue to do it you better back it up with some facts.

Because everyone here is reading it and reading your responses. And I would rather not stay on a forum where the moderator publicly accuses someone on a forum of being a liar and then refuses to state what it is they are lying about. There are a lot of key people here who would rather take their knowledge somewhere else if you're going to continue to throw insults.

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The above is John Polakowski's post.

Ok John Polakowski....

It is more than clear that:

1. Accusing me of manipulating Eric was a lie. You said it was just your opinion, yet it still was a claim by YOU, it had no basis in reality and you simply went along with what Ray Savant was saying and you didn't even bother to find out what the facts are. You slandered me wrongly and you need to take responsibility for this.

2. What I am talking about? I know for a fact that you are now fully aware of the fact, especially because of the interview I had with Eric, that the goal has been to kick Eric out of his own organization with the belief that you were to be the replacement who would do the work that Eric was supposed to do. That is why I said you have been promised something or perhaps you were not aware of it and left it at that. So, as a person of my word who told you that I will let you know what this was about, there it is!

Your response to this post will determine what kind of integrity and character you are operating with - you have one opportunity to show everyone here. I hope you do the right thing because I know what kind of opportunity that you still may have available to you.
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:25 AM
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I was trying to avoid this thread, just because I thought this was going to be another pissing contest that would eventually add up to nothing and blow over. But after listening to the latest interview with Eric, it seems that it's taken on a pretty serious tone. So I thought I would jump on here to show some support.

@Eric, I hope the best for your situation, really, this is unfortunate. I really hope there comes a ligitimate avenue of assistance that will pull you out of this. I know I speak for a silent majority when I say your addition to the Energetic Forum has been truley priceless, and I hope it, as well as your personal studies, can continue. I'm not currently able to help out financially or physically. Just finished with 6 months unemployment and a nasty divorce, leaving me stuck in Finland.. but possibly in a short time it may become possible. If there is anything else I can do to help, please don't hesitate to ask.

@Aaron, Quite a crossfire you got yourself into there, keep your head up. (or down I guess, in a crossfire?). I'm not sure of your future communications with Eric concerning this matter or other relations, but if there is anything I can do to help you, please don't hesitate to ask.

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Old 07-17-2013, 08:26 AM
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I have been contacted by multiple people that all say they have been insulted, attacked or harassed by Ray Savant - they just didn't know who he was and referred to him as "Tech Zombie". I will release details as I can - I have to have their permission first to do so and there are suggestions of a joint law-suit against Ray Savant, which I am more than happy to support. More to come...
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:33 AM
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I was trying to avoid this thread, just because I thought this was going to be another pissing contest that would eventually add up to nothing and blow over. But after listening to the latest interview with Eric, it seems that it's taken on a pretty serious tone. So I thought I would jump on here to show some support.

@Eric, I hope the best for your situation, really, this is unfortunate. I really hope there comes a ligitimate avenue of assistance that will pull you out of this. I know I speak for a silent majority when I say your addition to the Energetic Forum has been truley priceless, and I hope it, as well as your personal studies, can continue. I'm not currently able to help out financially or physically. Just finished with 6 months unemployment and a nasty divorce, leaving me stuck in Finland.. but possibly in a short time it may become possible. If there is anything else I can do to help, please don't hesitate to ask.

@Aaron, Quite a crossfire you got yourself into there, keep your head up. (or down I guess, in a crossfire?). I'm not sure of your future communications with Eric concerning this matter or other relations, but if there is anything I can do to help you, please don't hesitate to ask.

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Thank you for your support Marcel!

Eric doesn't have to evacuate or have anything taken from him - and that may be the first time this is the case. We all actually can help make that a reality for him. The organization simply needs to put the right people on the board of directors to set things straight and to eject Ray Savant out of the picture because he is nothing but a menace.

Once that is done, money can be raised to install 3-phase power into the building and they can move to the next step. When all that foundational stuff is completed, it will be able to sustain itself without donations and Eric can share the CIG and other things, but the practical end of it has to be completed first.

You can see from past posts that Ray inserts his will in a very unwelcome way that he wants to get the CIG done. Well, that is putting the horse before the cart and there is no sense in that. Eric is actually the one with the practical sense, contrary to how they want to paint him, and Eric needs the 3-phase power installed a few other things to fulfill the organization's role in the municipality that it is in.

That is what will generate the funds to sustain the lab and then Eric will be setup in a way both financially, etc... so that he can bring all the other important, fun and profound work out to the public.
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:57 AM
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Thank you for your support Marcel!

Eric doesn't have to evacuate or have anything taken from him - and that may be the first time this is the case. We all actually can help make that a reality for him. The organization simply needs to put the right people on the board of directors to set things straight and to eject Ray Savant out of the picture because he is nothing but a menace.

Once that is done, money can be raised to install 3-phase power into the building and they can move to the next step. When all that foundational stuff is completed, it will be able to sustain itself without donations and Eric can share the CIG and other things, but the practical end of it has to be completed first.

You can see from past posts that Ray inserts his will in a very unwelcome way that he wants to get the CIG done. Well, that is putting the horse before the cart and there is no sense in that. Eric is actually the one with the practical sense, contrary to how they want to paint him, and Eric needs the 3-phase power installed a few other things to fulfill the organization's role in the municipality that it is in.

That is what will generate the funds to sustain the lab and then Eric will be setup in a way both financially, etc... so that he can bring all the other important, fun and profound work out to the public.
Well, thats good to hear. Sounds like there is a decent amount of hope for the man. And yes, from the interview it sounds like this Ray is an interesting fellow. I'll leave it at that..

Thanks for the interview post, and thanks again for helping Eric out. I will keep my eyes out for when it's time for the 3-phase.

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Old 07-17-2013, 01:56 PM
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I have been contacted by multiple people that all say they have been insulted, attacked or harassed by Ray Savant - they just didn't know who he was and referred to him as "Tech Zombie". I will release details as I can - I have to have their permission first to do so and there are suggestions of a joint law-suit against Ray Savant, which I am more than happy to support. More to come...
In the real world, when people are being harassed or threatened, they can get an order of protection from the perpetrator.
In this case it sounds like there are people involved who do not agree with Eric's assessment. However, if he has a right to be at the lab(which sounds like that is in question at this time) he has a right to live and work in peace.

The interview does back up what you are saying Aaron, but Eric was mentioning that there were "rouge elements" who were aligned with TZ.
Wouldn't it have been better if he just stated who he still wanted to work with? Accentuate the POSITIVE, rather than dwell on the negative.

Also, since everything with the lab project has been so sloppily done, Eric, EPD or you are going to have to legally compel Mr Savant to stop redirecting Ericdollard.com to Aetherforce as well as to stop using his image on the site.

Why is the official EPD (EDPlaboratories.org) such a mess? Is there anyone in charge of it?
The interview with Eric left me more confused about who controls what that I was before.
Why not just spell it out? Who is in, who is out, who owns what and how Eric fits into this puzzle.

TZ did a good job of getting Eric on the internet. Why didn't his "core people" do that in the first place? If he was such a malevolent force, why wasn't TZ shown the door, rather than gaining support from some of the members?
Are they jihadists too?

Eric says he really doesn't really want public donations and would be OK with going back to the bush. If he stays on this path without being decisive, he will get his wish.

So many questions, so few answers, but at least we know for sure that he doesn't want to be associated with TZ. Thanks for letting us hear that from the "horses mouth".

If Eric has a municipal project going on, then he should be able to get funded to finish it. What is that all about?...another mystery...
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Hi everyone,

You all have wanted to hear from Eric Dollard personally so you can hear what he has to say about Ray Savant "Muhamed" Tech Zombie.

Here it is...
Eric Dollard Interview EXPOSING RAY SAVANT "Techzombie" - YouTube - if you have a youtube account, please login and LIKE the video to show your support of Eric!

After you hear this, if you still believe Ray Savant's allegations about me or anything else he says, please kindly excuse yourself from this forum.

If you support Eric Dollard and want to show your support, Boycott every single thing that Ray Savant is involved in and post your support for Eric here. That way, Eric knows that you care about him and his work and that you want to see things set right for his non-profit organization and lab.
@Aaron

Thank you for the recent video / audio recording from Eric.

It certainly makes it clear that Eric does not want Ray Savant (Techzombie) to be involved with himself or EPD Labs anymore, period. - I have much more to say on this topic and situation which is written and will be fourth coming.

I truly hope the relationship with yourself, Dave Webster & John Polakowski can be repaired and you can all move forward.

@40:38 - What does Eric mean exactly by the building being lost and no where to put equipment or is that what could potentially happen? What is the situation?

Eric Paul Dollard - He cannot be replaced by anyone. He is one of a kind, we all know this. As I have stated before, Eric has my full support.

As with the devil, Ray Savant (TechZombie) and his works are renounced.

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Old 07-17-2013, 04:08 PM
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I didn't want to comment on this until I heard from Eric, thanks for posting that video and making things clear. I hope the guys who jumped the gun on judgment upon Eric and Aaron have it within themselves to see this and admit they were wrong. I hope Eric get's it sorted out. I was pretty supportive of TechZombie when he first started posting because of the fact that he helped raised support for Eric, but the thing that always turned me off and raised a few red flags was the fact that he opened up a Facebook account under Eric's name and started posting on it, and still does, giving some people the impression that it is actually Eric posting. I'd encourage anyone who has facebook to post that video on TechZombies "Eric Dollard" page.
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Aaron, thanks for the video/audio update which clarifies Eric's position on the zombie and your relationship to Eric.

Eric, please continue to submit updates here once in awhile so we know what resources/donations you need.
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:53 PM
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Eric was mentioning that there were "rouge elements" who were aligned with TZ.
Wouldn't it have been better if he just stated who he still wanted to work with?

Who is in, who is out, who owns what and how Eric fits into this puzzle
Some people that Eric does want to work with will remain anonymous at this time.

John Polakowski has given an indication that he is on Eric Dollard's side.

For anyone else - I'm not sure yet.

David Wittekind does have an investment in the building, transmitter, etc... so all that has to be considered but Eric's wishes have to be considered as well.

Wittekind has remained eerily silent on this matter and to me, the silence implies consent to the communications by Ray, Webster and Polakowski. If he condones such behavior against me by them, then, that would make me suspicious. If Wittekind has been a victim in all of this as Eric is, then that's really unfortunate.

I would hope to see an official statement by Wittekind that he denounces Ray. Eric's desires are very clear to Wittekind about who Eric wants on the board of directors and who he doesn't. All that will be done between all of them.
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:23 PM
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I have much more to say on this topic and situation which is written and will be fourth coming.

I truly hope the relationship with yourself, Dave Webster & John Polakowski can be repaired and you can all move forward.

@40:38 - What does Eric mean exactly by the building being lost and no where to put equipment or is that what could potentially happen? What is the situation?

Eric Paul Dollard - He cannot be replaced by anyone. He is one of a kind, we all know this. As I have stated before, Eric has my full support.

As with the devil, Ray Savant (TechZombie) and his works are renounced.

Sputins.
Thank you Sputins.

Looking forward to what you have to say.

I hope certain relationships can be repaired as well. That could start with a public apology.

The building and equipment at the lab appear to be fine. Eric is just voicing his disappointment with everything going on. Depending on how things go, yes, it could be all at risk potentially if Eric is restricted from having his desires for the organization respected.
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:25 PM
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Message from Eric Dollard

Eric requested that the donations paypal account be closed so please do not donate anything else to that account.

You can mail donations to Eric in Lone Pine. At some point there will be a new paypal account and that will be announced.

Eric apologizes for not responding to his letters because he is busy finishing his book and dealing with the recent distress. He will get to them as soon as he can. Thank you for your patience.

He expresses much appreciation for the donations he gets by mail.
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While Myself and dR Green were collaborating in the thread I made, I was told
by one of Eric's "then" associates that he didn't really think I was doing
anything wrong himself, however he claimed Eric was pressuring him to
denounce me as a disinfo agent and so forth. I think I can find the PM's, I
usually keep the good ones.

Then I was told by another of his "then" associates that he didn't agree with
Eric's abuses of me, but kind of implied it would be good to just ignore the
abuse so "we can get as much as we can out of him" was close to the rhetoric.

I'm withholding names for now, If Eric was behind it he will know their names,
if he wasn't he should be able to deduce who it was. The two are in the
debacle now. Mr TechZombie was not one of them as far as I can tell, unless
he used a different handle starting with J or D.

If Eric was actually behind my abuses or not I can't say but I feel he was
pressuring and manipulating others to persecute me for some silly reason.
I just wanted to experiment and Eric ruined my thread because he thinks he
knows all and no one else can learn anything their way, he thinks everyone
must follow his work and idea's. I study Tesla Not Dollard. I admit I have read
some of his work but I don't understand much.

Didn't stop me from building a nice coil though and a decent supply circuit.

I used his crystal radio circuit and it works very well, but I can change it and
it still works. It even works without being connected to ground, just a small
dodgy Tesla coil on the bench connected to the detector circuit, to get the
signal without the ground requires different tuning but that I think is because
the ground connection actually changes the resonating frequency of the
oscillator.

If people wrong others knowingly their own internal karma will get them in the
end, unless a psychopath that is, karma has no effect on psychopaths.

No one likes to be abused or treated unfairly, some people are above
apologies, to their own detriment.

I feel as though once again I am being misrepresented or misunderstood. Not
to worry, it's common and I can get past it and do my own thing.

Cheers

P.S. Just one thing I would like to know is who first contacted Eric so that he found out about my thread and came to abuse me about it ?

Just tell me that Eric. Did you discover it all by yourself or were you informed of it.

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@Everyone - thank you for your support and encouragement in all of this. It has been very trying for many of us, but it has not been in vain. I talked to Eric a little bit ago and he also thanks everyone for their support in this. There have been some discussions with a few individuals that are key to the operation and things will be moving forward as intended. It's unfortunate this interview was necessary, but it worked and the mission has been refocused and will move forward! Thank you all!

There will be a few bumpy roads to navigate from here, but nevertheless, Eric is very encouraged by all of this and without the influence of the nefarious element in question, many of them are breathing a sign of relief!
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Thank you Sputins.

Looking forward to what you have to say.
I wrote a fair deal of stuff on this topic, titled ‘Nemesis waves’. Much of it was just my feelings on all that has transpired recently. However with the recent audio recording from Eric which explains a lot and given that I don’t really know or am privy to what else is happening or said behind the scenes. - It’s not my direct business - plus I think it’s better to not add further fuel to the fire.

So my hope is that EPD Laboratories sorts out who is on the executive committee, who’s not and what their plans and projects are for the future. Of course there are Eric’s business deals with the EGF and EPD Labs promotions and business deals if they wish to pursue that too. Eric, EPD Labs & EGF could all work together similar to how Bedini's Lab operates.

This whole deal has had its causalities, Techzombie of course being one of them. If he had handled himself better / differently he still may have had a fairly decent “auxiliary” outlet for Eric’s material. But it seems he wanted the ‘exclusive rights’ to it and now that bridge is burnt to ash. Too bad for him & I hope he has the decency not to cause further trouble.

There are other casualties too, Tom Brown – While I know Eric still has certain issues with him. In general (except for that so called posting where he calls for T-rex to be banned) Tom has been rather helpful to the overall cause since the re-emergence of Eric on the forum. (Maybe he is attempting to make amends for past transgressions caused to Eric)? - Now he has a caused an issue with Aaron and took sides with the zombie. - Anyway the situation is unfortunate and sad, at least from my point of view.

Further casualties are a few long time and important contributors to this forum (Garret & Raui for example). Once this is all resolved, I would plead for them to return! As they are first class contributors and we need them here alongside Eric.

As for the current situation concerning Dave Webster and John Polakowski - this is still unknown to the readers of the forum, but it my hope that any negativity has been neutralised and forward progress can now happen. (Perhaps we could hear from them)?

As for the projects concerning EPD Labs, there is the CIG which is one project we know of (I am working away at this too, with my 100 Watt CW Tube transmitter, nearly finished).

The other Project Eric is talking about with the climbing of poles, while it isn’t said directly as yet my guess would be that it is some kind of Alexanderson Antenna arrangement. Anyone who has followed Eric’s thread would guess that.

Enough for now.
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"Ray took control of the book and started to sell it and is giving the money to someone he hired to film Eric - ALL WITHOUT ERIC'S PERMISSION. "

WRONG!! I was there at the lab when the filming took place. Techz, whom I am neither attacking nor defending, asked my son in law to do some filming of the lab being refurbished. I knew that there would not be payment so I gave my son in law $250 just so that there would be no expenses out of his own pocket. I met the principles, everyone involved. Everyone was nice to me, a complete outsider. At no time did my son in law receive any money for this filming from Techz, which was professionally done. He also helped out with various tasks in the construction and painting of the lab, all free.

Nobody struck me as being crazy. Yes, there are some interesting personalities, as there are everywhere in life. I met Eric and spent almost two days with him. He was very generous with his time and I found his viewpoint very interesting. All the while, filming was going on and everyone was aware of this. At no time when I was there did Eric ever claim anything about overunity. I have been an EE for over 30 years and asked him a lot of questions.

By the way, if there is really any overunity device out there I would like to see it. On the energetic forum I see a lot of posts by people that don't know the difference between an overunity device and a switching voltage regulator. People are making money, in my view, just on the talk of free energy, but I don't believe that anyone is really doing it. Look behind the talk.

In general I have been upset by the tone of this discussion. Somebody, somewhere, is trying to manipulate somebody. Otherwise, the tone would be different. People are talking about lawsuits etc. Only manipulators do things like that. There are lots of threats and name calling. It pretty much is making me ill. Childish behavior.

Hopefully, things will calm down, and Eric will be able to get back to his work, even if it is not in his lab.
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"Ray took control of the book and started to sell it and is giving the money to someone he hired to film Eric - ALL WITHOUT ERIC'S PERMISSION. "

WRONG!! I was there at the lab when the filming took place. Techz, whom I am neither attacking nor defending, asked my son in law to do some filming of the lab being refurbished. I knew that there would not be payment so I gave my son in law $250 just so that there would be no expenses out of his own pocket. I met the principles, everyone involved. Everyone was nice to me, a complete outsider. At no time did my son in law receive any money for this filming from Techz, which was professionally done. He also helped out with various tasks in the construction and painting of the lab, all free.

Nobody struck me as being crazy. Yes, there are some interesting personalities, as there are everywhere in life. I met Eric and spent almost two days with him. He was very generous with his time and I found his viewpoint very interesting. All the while, filming was going on and everyone was aware of this. At no time when I was there did Eric ever claim anything about overunity. I have been an EE for over 30 years and asked him a lot of questions.

By the way, if there is really any overunity device out there I would like to see it. On the energetic forum I see a lot of posts by people that don't know the difference between an overunity device and a switching voltage regulator. People are making money, in my view, just on the talk of free energy, but I don't believe that anyone is really doing it. Look behind the talk.

In general I have been upset by the tone of this discussion. Somebody, somewhere, is trying to manipulate somebody. Otherwise, the tone would be different. People are talking about lawsuits etc. Only manipulators do things like that. There are lots of threats and name calling. It pretty much is making me ill. Childish behavior.

Hopefully, things will calm down, and Eric will be able to get back to his work, even if it is not in his lab.
As an outside observer with nothing to win or lose, I tend to agree with you.
However I have no way of knowing the good guys from the bad. It all probably boils down to poor communications among the "saviors". There does not seem be a coherent plan in place anywhere.

Instead of all sitting down at a table and having a rational discussion about who is doing what and why, they decide to have a public mud slinging contest! Not good...

I like your comment about the "OU" voltage regulator. If these folks knew how to take a proper measurement or how to interpret it, the truth would be clear.
Oh what the heck, a whole flock of people are having fun in their garages amazing themselves and Aaron is making a living selling them books. Everybody is happy.
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"Ray took control of the book and started to sell it and is giving the money to someone he hired to film Eric - ALL WITHOUT ERIC'S PERMISSION. "

WRONG!! I was there at the lab when the filming took place. Techz, whom I am neither attacking nor defending, asked my son in law to do some filming of the lab being refurbished. I knew that there would not be payment so I gave my son in law $250 just so that there would be no expenses out of his own pocket. I met the principles, everyone involved. Everyone was nice to me, a complete outsider. At no time did my son in law receive any money for this filming from Techz, which was professionally done. He also helped out with various tasks in the construction and painting of the lab, all free.

Nobody struck me as being crazy. Yes, there are some interesting personalities, as there are everywhere in life. I met Eric and spent almost two days with him. He was very generous with his time and I found his viewpoint very interesting. All the while, filming was going on and everyone was aware of this. At no time when I was there did Eric ever claim anything about overunity. I have been an EE for over 30 years and asked him a lot of questions.

By the way, if there is really any overunity device out there I would like to see it. On the energetic forum I see a lot of posts by people that don't know the difference between an overunity device and a switching voltage regulator. People are making money, in my view, just on the talk of free energy, but I don't believe that anyone is really doing it. Look behind the talk.

In general I have been upset by the tone of this discussion. Somebody, somewhere, is trying to manipulate somebody. Otherwise, the tone would be different. People are talking about lawsuits etc. Only manipulators do things like that. There are lots of threats and name calling. It pretty much is making me ill. Childish behavior.

Hopefully, things will calm down, and Eric will be able to get back to his work, even if it is not in his lab.
Miner Tom,

Your statement is distorting the facts and taking what I said out of context to make it look like I'm not being truthful. I'll inform you since you obviously do not know the facts...

Look at this statement: "Ray took control of the book and started to sell it and is giving the money to someone he hired to film Eric - ALL WITHOUT ERIC'S PERMISSION. "

I was interested in the distribution of the Lone Pine Writings book and asked Eric if that money was going to him or the lab. He actually didn't know. He asked Webster and to Eric's surprise, David Webster told Eric that Ray has the book, is selling it, and David Webster told Eric that Ray is using the money from that book to pay the cameraman.

So don't come in here acting like I'm misinforming anyone because you are taking it out of context.

Again, so there is no mistake -

1. Eric asked Webster where the book money is because Eric wanted it to go to Webster since he helped compile it.

2. Webster told Eric that Ray has the book and is selling it - and that money is being used to pay the camera man.

3. Eric did not approve of that and was never notified that Ray was selling the book.

4. It seems that Ray Savant is lying to Webster about what the book money is going to.

Ray has been claiming that the money from the Lone Pine book is being used to pay the camera man. So if you're saying your son, C or K (however he spells his name), has never received a dime, then either you or Ray are being dishonest about this.

My bet is that it isn't you who is being dishonest about this and it reveals even more about Ray.
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Oh what the heck, a whole flock of people are having fun in their garages amazing themselves and Aaron is making a living selling them books. Everybody is happy.
Your condescending statements sloppily veiled as some objective opinions are becoming boring and unwelcome.

You are obviously not qualified to comprehend the fact that if you add the mechanical work of the wheel in a Bedini SG, it is "overunity". The COP is above 1, period, end of story and anyone who refutes that does not prove what they know, they prove their own skepticism isn't even qualified. Give it up. It is a simple intelligence test and you failed because if you also have not seen "overunity", which is an oxymoron anyway, then you are the one that doesn't know how to properly measure work done.

The Veljko machine is over 3.0 COP easily verifiable. force x distance is REAL WORK and if you add it up, it is many times over the required input.

If you don't believe there is anything in this forum that qualifies as overunity, you're wasting your time and should go join the James Randi forum.

There is nothing magical about any of this and if you or anyone else has years of EE experience and are unable to properly measure it, then that means you're not qualified. An EE is not automatically qualified to understand the nature of open dissipative systems - your training is for conventional system - so don't pretend that you are able to understand Chinese when all you have learned is Spanish.

Furthermore, this discussion thread is about exposing Ray Savant and his lies and all other topics are UNWELCOME in this thread, period.
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Your condescending statements sloppily veiled as some objective opinions are becoming boring and unwelcome.

You are obviously not qualified to comprehend the fact that if you add the mechanical work of the wheel in a Bedini SG, it is "overunity". The COP is above 1, period, end of story and anyone who refutes that does not prove what they know, they prove their own skepticism isn't even qualified. Give it up. It is a simple intelligence test and you failed because if you also have not seen "overunity", which is an oxymoron anyway, then you are the one that doesn't know how to properly measure work done.

The Veljko machine is over 3.0 COP easily verifiable. force x distance is REAL WORK and if you add it up, it is many times over the required input.

If you don't believe there is anything in this forum that qualifies as overunity, you're wasting your time and should go join the James Randi forum.

There is nothing magical about any of this and if you or anyone else has years of EE experience and are unable to properly measure it, then that means you're not qualified. An EE is not automatically qualified to understand the nature of open dissipative systems - your training is for conventional system - so don't pretend that you are able to understand Chinese when all you have learned is Spanish.

Furthermore, this discussion thread is about exposing Ray Savant and his lies and all other topics are UNWELCOME in this thread, period.
OK, you put up this thread for the express purpose of trashing Techzombie.
Doesn't that seem a bit childish? Again, I don't know him, but let me throw out some observations that I have distilled from this mess.

1) TZ was the only person who knew beans about promotion in that whole outfit and he is also selling the Lone Pines book.

2) Nobody seems to know where the book money is going since there is no accounting of anything, so the accusations start to fly.

3) Promotion and book selling is Aaron's business.

4) Aaron wants to be the exclusive seller of the Lone pines book so he tells Eric about the controversy. Eric is incensed.

Eric should take control of his own finances, promotions and book deals. If he he unwilling or unable to do so, there should be a person who is solely responsible for coordinating all of it.
With TechZombie out of the way and the lab in disarray, I surmise that Aaron was able to convince Eric to make him the afore mentioned "go to" guy.

It's all a bit seedy and Machiavellian, but perhaps, in the end it's the for the best if there is an formal and honest accounting practice going forward. Even so, Eric should seek the council of a third party account.
That way the drama can be kept to a minimum.

Now about the measurements. As an EE, I use the same measurement system as the OU guys. So it's not Greek or Chinese to me. ( maybe to them!)

Alright, I have a secret. I have produced a 10X input OU device:
I take 1 joule/sec = 1 watt, I charge a cap with one joule of energy.
I discharge it into a 10 watt load. The instantaneous E*I = 10 watts!!
I'm a f**k'n genius!
Oh wait...it only lasted less than 100 ms... dang...oh never mind...
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My name is Tom and would like to communicate with you via email/FB, away from all of the recent unpleasantness on this forum. Are you on FB?

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OK, you put up this thread for the express purpose of trashing Techzombie.
Doesn't that seem a bit childish? Again, I don't know him, but let me throw out some observations that I have distilled from this mess.

1) TZ was the only person who knew beans about promotion in that whole outfit and he is also selling the Lone Pines book.

2) Nobody seems to know where the book money is going since there is no accounting of anything, so the accusations start to fly.

3) Promotion and book selling is Aaron's business.

4) Aaron wants to be the exclusive seller of the Lone pines book so he tells Eric about the controversy. Eric is incensed.

Eric should take control of his own finances, promotions and book deals. If he he unwilling or unable to do so, there should be a person who is solely responsible for coordinating all of it.
With TechZombie out of the way and the lab in disarray, I surmise that Aaron was able to convince Eric to make him the afore mentioned "go to" guy.

It's all a bit seedy and Machiavellian, but perhaps, in the end it's the for the best if there is an formal and honest accounting practice going forward. Even so, Eric should seek the council of a third party account.
That way the drama can be kept to a minimum.

Now about the measurements. As an EE, I use the same measurement system as the OU guys. So it's not Greek or Chinese to me. ( maybe to them!)

Alright, I have a secret. I have produced a 10X input OU device:
I take 1 joule/sec = 1 watt, I charge a cap with one joule of energy.
I discharge it into a 10 watt load. The instantaneous E*I = 10 watts!!
I'm a f**k'n genius!
Oh wait...it only lasted less than 100 ms... dang...oh never mind...
You're welcome to leave, you are a trouble maker.

This thread is to EXPOSE A FRAUD and to make it look like I'm just trying to "trash" someone reveals who you are. Your statements have just revealed that you are incapable of comprehending what you are observing.

1 - you are misinformed, the only thing Ray Savant did was to piggy back on the traffic from this forum and a few other networks. That is what a leech does, while taking credit for everything that happened. The traffic in Eric's threads has built up over the years from Eric posting here. All these people who appreciate and respect Eric's work and are contributing to the discussions and sharing their work are primarily who Tech Zombie was promoting to. Most of them stay silent but they are watching. He has no effective network of his own and uses everyone else's - just like he did with Adam Bull and others. You are a misinformation agent. And, he is selling the Lone Pine Writings book without Eric's approval, yet you defend this.

2. If you have any common sense - Ray claimed he is using the book money to pay the cameraman. Eric never received a dime from it and neither did David Webster (who was supposed to be getting the money). Seeing that Ray is 1) Selling the book without Eric's permission and 2) is not paying the cameraman even though he said that is what he needed the money for - it takes but about 2 braincells to rub together to deduce that Ray is NOT honoring Eric's request and Ray is NOT putting the money where it was supposed to go and you try to mitigate Ray's actions in this.

3. What a revelation, I sell and promote books.

4. I had no intention of selling the Lone Pine Book. I saw it for sale and wanted to buy a copy for myself. When I asked Eric about that book, he found out that Ray was selling it without his permission and was using the money to pay the cameraman (Ray's claim). I tell Eric about the controversy? Eric is the one that told me. You are obviously here to distort the facts and misinform everyone as to what is going on.

Because of Eric finding out what Ray has done to the book - I offered to make it available with Eric's permission. And, the money will actually go to where Eric wants it to go. Ray violates his word and I honor mine, and yet, you paint me as the bad one. You are obviously operating from a very low sense of integrity - your statements reveal your amoral nature and you're not even very good at hiding it.

With Ray out of the picture, the lab is not in disarray. For the first time, things are being put on track to be in alignment with what Eric's wishes are and what Eric was told from the beginning. I have no intention of being a replacement for what Webster has done for Eric and I'm certainly not going to misrepresent Eric the way Ray has done.

I will publish some of Eric's work and will help support the lab's fund raising efforts. I never had an intention to be an official part of the organization because I don't have time to commit to that and I have my own projects. All I have done is support Eric and his lab's fund raising efforts as an outside supporter and with Ray fabricating lies that I'm trying to sabotage Eric's lab/organization, well, you can continue to be the wiling recipient of the fairy dust being sprinkled in your eyes. And to post here any kind of defense for Ray is void of any integrity, is shameful and is reprehensible.

Everyone has already heard what Eric has to say about it and all you are doing is slapping Eric in the face. Do not post here anymore. You are only making a mockery out of Eric's situation and you should keep your advice of what Eric needs to do to yourself. What Eric needs is for people to stop telling him what he needs. He is a grown man that can decide for himself what he wants to do thank you very much.
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What can I say?

This mess is exactly why it is important to get financial dealings in writing and an independent professional to verify that they are being carried out as intended.
Eric, are you reading this?

I'm not trying to make trouble. I don't want to see this history keep repeating itself over and over.
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Eric, are you reading this?

I'm not trying to make trouble. I don't want to see this history keep repeating itself over and over.
You're posts contribute nothing useful to this and are only taking the focus off of the facts.

You need to plant it firmly in your mind that this entire issue did revolve around FINANCES!

Ray is a fraud, is acting on his own accord while disrespecting Eric's wishes, is taking credit for things he didn't actually do, and he attacked me labeling as a liar and someone who is manipulating Eric against him - when the truth is ALREADY known by Eric's own testimonial that this was going on BEFORE I ever met Eric. Why you continue to point to something else that takes the focus off of these ESTABLISHED FACTS (not rhetoric) is amazing.

I posted what I posted about "nefarious elements" was to publicly call out and expose the fraud of Ray Savant. If it was not public, people would continue supporting Ray and his websites and would still be under the illusion that Ray is actually helping Eric. To keep it private behind the scenes and to expect that Ray would have voluntarily left Eric alone had no chance of happening! Everyone can see from Ray's posts how tightly he has latched himself on to this all and there was no way in hell he was going to let go that easy.

Any further claims that money is the issue, etc... is disinformation. For your information, this forum has been a vehicle that has helped Eric financially and Ray didn't contribute to that. Eric stated what this forum has done for him in the interview - every single fact conveniently has escaped your observations.

If you post in this thread again, you will be banned.
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Sterling posted this at Peswiki:
Own Worst Enemy syndrome epitomized in recent Eric Dollard clash

Here is my response to him last night when he told me he was going to release that:

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Sterling,

Do not use me or my name as a tool to further your own agenda about what is hindering free energy developments. Especially, when you are distorting what the situation is.

You are painting this in a way that is simply not correct. You have many false statements, which you need to address.

Ray didn't raise the $30+k... and he shouldn't get credit for it. What he did was open the indegogo campaign and raised a bit himself. He messaged me at Energetic Forum asking for help and I was glad to promote it to my network. In just a few days, my promotion to my subscribers, etc... raised over $8000 for the campaign. Ray posted on the Indegogo campaign sight that the campaign had gone "viral" - he was taking credit for my contribution to the explosive growth of traffic. I didn't do it for recognition, but when I saw him wrongfully giving credit to it going viral when it was my promotion that accelerated the traffic, I confronted him. Later, someone I believe to be David Webster must have said something to him because Ray eventually gave a thank you to me, but he left the post about it going viral, which is misrepresenting the facts.

Adam Bull is someone else that helped to raise quite a bit and Ray has covered up the history of that by deleting Adam's posts. Adam posted proof of this in Energetic Forum in the Ray Savant thread. Adam is someone else that was harassed and threatened by Ray Savant.

I have since been contacted by others who have also been harassed and/or threatened by Ray Savant over the months.

What does this tell you Sterling? You have an organization that had it's own "in fighting" ALREADY going on, which had nothing to do with me. And Ray Savant who isn't even a board member has been attacking multiple outsiders who have been trying to donate money, support Eric in other ways, etc... What that looks like is someone is deterring various people who have resources to help Eric and Ray has pushed them all away. That is the real story here - do NOT put me on level ground with Ray and make it look like Eric is in the middle of Ray and I because that is a false slanderous allegation against me. Your agenda here to distort the facts in order to fit it into your pie chart is making a mockery out of the actual situation.

You also have to understand that I am NOT a part of this so-called "in fighting" that is going on. You are misrepresenting my part in this. The infighting that was going on was between Eric and some of his close associates (on Eric's side) and they were having conflicts with Ray Savant and some board members of Eric's Lab. Ray Savant was never on the board of directors by the way. These issues between THEM were going on for quite a while now - months BEFORE Eric and I ever personally met. Obviously you can hear Eric verify this in the interview. So, the infighting meaning conflicts within a certain organization were between them and had nothing to do with me.

After the conference, I was attacked by a board member. Eric completely disapproved of that. I replied to the attack and the instantly Ray Savant attacked me accusing me of being a liar, manipulating Eric, etc... which you can hear from Eric himself that Ray has completely concocted all of those allegations out of thin air. Labeling me as someone involved in "infighting" that is limiting progress is slanderous.

I am an OUTSIDE person to Eric's organization who simply invited Eric to the conference to give a talk and I am going to publish his talk and book and possibly other material. As an OUTSIDER to the organization, I was attacked, just like Ray attacked Adam Bull and others who were also OUTSIDERS to their organization - OUTSIDERS who simply have a desire to support Eric and his work.

This is NOT Eric being caught in between Ray and I. What this is - is Eric disapproving of Ray's involvement and it is myself disapproving of Ray's false allegations and attacks against me. So what you have is Eric and I BOTH standing next to each other defending our positions against Ray Savant. THAT is what the truth is.

You are slandering me here: "
if we don't seek personal improvement and to overcome our junk."

Sorry, I don't need self improvement in any area pertaining to this issue. Nor do I need to overcome any "junk". I am exposing a fraud and liar, period. If you can't see that, you really are willing to distort the facts for your own benefit of making it look like you have all this kind of situation figured out that fits into your model of why free energy isn't happening.

And how is Ray Savant a "giant" human being? He is deceiving people, posting testimonials on his own digital download site making it look like it is someone else's site. I have proof he is already changing records behind the scenes to cover this up - I have it all recorded. He made false allegations about me manipulating Eric when it is more than obvious that Eric has been against Ray since day 1 - WAY BEFORE I ever met Eric. Ray has a whole collection of Jew-bashing documents on the website that intermingles Eric's work with that - is that what a "Giant" of a human being does?

I believe in doing the right thing Sterling and exposing someone who is a fraud and liar who is deceiving people is exactly the right thing to do. What part of Eric's testimonial do you not understand in regards to what he is saying about Ray? It is completely obvious that Eric is not in the middle of this issue with Ray and I. Eric and I are on one side of the fence in regards to Ray and Ray is on the other. There is no such thing as Eric being caught in the middle of anything.

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Now the entire operation is in jeopardy because of the in-fighting."

That is NOT true, the operation was ALREADY in jeopardy before Eric and I ever met! You need to research the facts before trying to post some story that you haven't even verified.

Because of my exposure of Ray, Ray has agreed to leave the organization alone and Wittekind will move forward with the non-profit so what this means is now that Ray has been exposed and outed, the organization is now closer to being functional than it has been for a long time! That is 180 degrees opposite from how you are skewing the facts.

You have completely twisted and slandered me in a way that you obviously are not seeing. All of your facts are skewed.

"
I've not probed deeply into the situation," - obviously, you haven't looked into it much at all yet you're willing to slander me and distort all the facts to suit your own agenda of pushing your pie chart.

"the whole thing started about a month ago when Techzombie and a friend went to Eric's lab to help him." - you haven't comprehended anything in the interview. It all started THE FIRST DAY THAT RAY CAME TO THE LAB. That was many months ago and is what Eric said. Eric has had a problem with Ray since the first day that Ray registered ericdollard.com without Eric's permission.

And then you end it blaming Eric for this issue. Eric wants to do his work and be left alone. Ray Savant is the one who has invited himself into Eric's life and work and has never been welcome.

I ask you for help to expose someone who has been working against Eric posing as someone that is helping him and in return, your contribution is to blame Eric at the end of your article and paint me as having some equal fault as Ray Savant when I am exposing a fraud. That is completely shameful. You need to learn how to check your facts before publishing a story - to not do that shows you have a careless disregard for the truth just so you can have some controversial story that will generate more traffic. You are being completely careless with this whole issue.

Aaron


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To Sterling's credit, he did respond with some edits to the original article. However, most of what I said above still applies. I don't need to post Sterling's email to me but obviously he thinks he is doing the right thing and I don't think he is intentionally trying to skew anything. However, it remains true that some of the things in that article are not true representations of the facts. Sterling did say I'm welcome to comment. I commented on that website with what my response to Sterling was and it has been deleted. Doesn't seem my comments were very welcome after all.

I also want to state that just because Ray parted ways with the organization, I'm not trying to make it look like Wikkekind has the same opinion of Ray as I do. For all I know, they're buddies and Wittekind may respect him. That's they're deal but in any case, I just don't want words put into my mouth that I'm saying Wittekind shares my opinion and I don't want it to look like that is what I'm implying.
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Well, Sterling's response to me about my concerns about this post is:

"p.s. The story isn't about factually portraying who did what and who said what and who is in the right and who is in the wrong. That is why I purposely give minimal info on the details; just enough to get people oriented."

It misrepresents what happens and he is fine with that. Oh well...
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Ray Savant - Tech Zombie fraud

Ray has posted a video claiming that I got Eric hooked on meth in order to manipulate him. I have never heard something so stupid in all my life. If this is the level that Ray will go in order to lie to make himself look like some good guy, then he has revealed himself to be nothing but pure gutter trash.

I do have a response to this and will post it for all to see.

We will see what a good man Ray is. If I truly manipulated Eric and Ray believes this, why would Ray make such a pathetic video, which would damage Eric's reputation. That, all by itself, shows you exactly what is ticking in Ray's little peanut savage brain.

And keep in mind that 100% of everything Ray is claiming about me is made up with zero evidence. Everything I am showing about Ray is coming from Eric's testimonial, emails and other evidence of Ray covering up his trail. I will post more on that. And Edward Mitchel's testimonial at the end? Many of us know what he did here before. He threatened my life and I posted a satellite photo of his work in Arlington, Texas for my own safety. I never posted his address as he claims. After he backed down and made some effort to call it a truce, I removed the picture (from google earth with all coordinates removed). Edward Mitchel is a liar just like Ray.

What Ray has just done is his very best to destroy Eric Dollard. When Eric sees that video, my guess is that he will disappear and nobody will ever hear from him again. Ray has not hurt me by this video, because I can refute with PROOF that he is a liar, but he has hurt Eric.

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After seeing this play out a bit more, it's clear to me that what I said denouncing much of you guys and the site is clearly wrong. I had visions of pretty terrible stuff going down here because of this, which I have noticed is a self perpetuation curse in many of these forums, sites, and organizations dedicated to alt research. I'm very sorry if I said anything which you (Aaron) or Eric or any of you would have been hurt or discouraged by.

I am personally very discouraged by the recent events with Eric's lab. It makes me hope for his sake, that he disappears in the lucrative world of government research. Because no matter what Eric produces, It's Eric's personal inspiration and encouragement which has been more important to me than any of his papers, books, or lectures(as incredibly stimulating as they have been). So to me it's Eric's life which should take precedent over any free to the public information, invention, or experiment he does.

One thing which he said which really helped to focus my own personal research intents was that, if you just go read Tesla's lectures and patents, then seek to understand the way he did, that you'd produce great results. Well, He's right. My research is bearing fruit because of Erics encouragement to not judge what all these electrical giants did and read them on their own terms.

Once again, i'm sorry for my outburst here as it was uncalled for and unhelpful. It makes me very angry to see another man's dream ruined! I hope you guys can work this all out so that Eric and company can get some work done. Thanks for posting those interviews as well. Truly saddening stuff.
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