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Aether Force Exposing Aether Force and their fraud against the work of Eric Dollard. Techzombie of Aether Force was born Rayam Azab Youssef, changed his name to Ray Savant then changed his name to Mohamed Youssef. This is to address his fraudulent allegations.

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Old 07-09-2013, 01:44 PM
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You can't be that stupid John. Your first communication in response to anything I posted was to give your grand ol opinion that I am manipulating Eric and putting him against you guys. And you have the audacity to have a problem with me calling someone a liar? Why don't you back up your ill informed "opinion" with facts. You have a double standard and are being a hypocrite.
This simply disgusting.

Non stop insults, ceaseless intimidation and a tone of utter contempt for everyone. We need to see this for what it is, a mental illness. We don't need to hate Aaron, simply to pity him for he is infected by some kind of supremacist virus.

Supremacism is exactly what this virus is. Aaron, you were not chosen by God. Enough of this insanity. You are speaking to human beings here and we will all stand up for ourselves and each other. You think you can just keep hammering out your lies and we will just give up and stop and you can declare another victory for your sick little world? Not gonna happen this time, not now, not ever.

We have all given up a good chunk of our lives for this mission and we are not going to roll over and let you piss all over it for a few shekels. You are like a screaming hysterical child running up to a building tsunami and whacking at it wildly with your little sword. Pathetic and doomed to complete and utter failure. This time mommy will NOT be there to pick up the pieces... or will she?

I'm from New York and I know how those who are infected by this supremacist virus act. This will all end with Aaron crying all over himself, rolling over and cursing all mankind for his own self destruction. Yes I would bet that urine shall also come into play when his whole fantasy world comes crumbling around him. Keep going Aaron I love watching mentally ill supremacists destroy themselves.

Allow me to translate for everyone exactly what is happening here. Sigmund Freud called this Transference. Transference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Basically the mentally transfer all their actions, paranoia and lies unto another person. They blame others for exactly what they themselves do to them. It is 100% twisted and has proven remarkable effective when coupled with extreme tenacity. Good natured people cannot believe that someone would tell such huge lies all the time because it is something they would never even think of doing, thus they begin to doubt themselves. Then the parasite goes for blood and at worst declares victory and at the very least saves face.

There will be no saving face here Aaron. You have already lost and lost everything. Please by all means continue to humiliate yourself and "dig your hole deeper" as you said to me. Aaron's emails show even more what a vile and insane creature he is.

Here is the email train everyone. Judge for yourselves if this creature can be redeemed.
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David Webster: (David's strongest words in bold, decide for yourself if these words deem the response from Aaron)
Hello Aaron,

I want to express my disappointment in the statement that you made after Eric's presentation where I made the announcement that I was taking donations for EPD Laboratories. EPD Labs is a nonprofit organization that has monthly operating expenses, equipment purchases yet to be made, payroll for hired labor, etc. That was very uncool of you to come behind me and tell the crowd that you could just give cash to Eric rather than donating to EPD Labs. While I understand that Eric is the star of the show, there is a great need for EPD Labs to have any influx of funds at this point in time. When the money dries up, it seems that it will fall in David's lap to continue to pay rent on the building. This is not fair considering the huge debt that he has accumulated already from acquiring the lab in the first place.

There was an original stated goal within EPD Labs which needs operating capitol to achieve. Reaching that goal will take the financial burden off of David Wittekind and allow this operation to really get the traction that it needs to move forward. Eric has his own idea of what is a priority, and it doesn't take into account the bank account of our prime benefactor, Mr. Wittekind. In all fairness to David, we need to consider the financial situation of the organization. With that being said, I hope you will respect the operating decisions being made by organizations that you do not belong to and keep your suggestions to yourself should the situation ever arise again.

Thanks,

Dave
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TechZombie: (my response to all)
David Webster brings up an important point.

I do not make executive decisions in regards to financial matters as I am not on the board of EPD Labs thus it not my business. I simply do what the board agrees. This conference was a public forum to bring light to EPD labs efforts, this is why Eric thought it was wise to accept your kind invitation. We should all respect motivations and leadership that has brought this organization so far. We are all prospering from that effort.

I have a great deal of respect for the chain of command here and the sacrifices and leadership of David Wittekind and David Webster and I hope that you will share this same respect Aaron. It is good for all of us to work in harmony and means more exposure for all and profit for yourself. Let's keep that in mind.

Are you with us Aaron ?

-TechZ
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Aaron: (insane hysterical response. I count over 22 100% lies)

If you want to know how he replied just imagine everything he has posted here but twice as nasty. Pure and utter thug lunacy.
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We are dealing with a deranged character here and we will tolerate whatever drama is necessary to rid us of this insanity. Garret stood up like a MAN and said what needed to be said. Now we are dealing with a hysterical child, a high chair tyrant that needs to be spanked and left in the dark. Aaron, if I was your layer I'd tell you to shut your mouth right now but we all know you will just continue to dig your hole deeper. You will probably threaten me with a lawsuit now for posting those emails.... oh wait you already threatened us with a lawsuit.

Just take everything Aaron accuses us of and reverse it onto himself. Or better yet don't even read his lies. It is like the scene from the Exorcist, where the older priest tells the younger one not to listen to the demon, for the demons only power is in it's lies.

We may pity Aaron but we will not tolerate your insults, lies and complete and utter lack of respect. Your petty greed and sabotage of our mission doesn't win you any points either. (hands Aaron a bigger shovel) Keep on diggin' kid. ( sits back with popcorn )
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Old 07-09-2013, 02:54 PM
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Incorrigible, Belligerent & Utterly with out Tact

Aaron Murkywater,

I honestly thought that you could set your ego down for 5 seconds. Well, WAS I WRONG! You have proven yourself to be exactly as how I imagined, a complete and utter wreck of a human being.

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Garrett - you will be apologizing to me later because of your premature slanderous and libelous accusations and insinuations about me.
Funny that you say that, as I don't think "apologies" are in order if I was telling the truth. Which it seems I was. "The truth hurts", doesn't it? However, I'll leave it up to the poor souls who read these petty comments to decide who's the insidious, libelous individual.

Maybe you can grow a little from this Dr. Phil session, but probably not. As I've come to the conclusion that you are too dense to grow up and do what it takes to be a man and admit when your at fault.

Dave and Techzombie were able to admit to faults they caused... but not you Aaron. You seem to have some serious "Mental Gymnastics" going on that prevent you from ever seeing how you've done wrong or are acting out of control.

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I have no big issue with you YET and think you have simply been deceived and misled by their BS
Well, I have a BIG issue with the way you've handled this situation. A simple apology could have been given, with you receiving one as well, then both sides could have dropped the issue and moved on. However, that would require you to act like an adult. But, it would appear you can't reason with a crazy man.

May you learn to act like an adult, and set your ego aside. And finally may you learn to have tact and respect others opinions, which your are in sore need of.

This will be my last response on this ridiculous "dog and pony show" of a sudo-science forum.

Respectfully,
Garrett M

P.S. Aaron, if you were wondering, the subject line of this message was directed at you. I felt I should point this out since your mental gymnastics may prevent you from realizing this rather obvious detail.

P.P.S. Oh and before you leave a snarky reply, to the tune of me being banned from the forum, I left of my own free will--not because you said I had to.


To everyone else,

I still stand by my words:

BOYCOTT THE ENERGETIC FORUM

Don't stand idly by and patronize Aaron and his petty antics!

Let's start FRESH! And find a new venue to continue REAL discussions! This could be an awesome and exciting event, so lets make it happen!

UPDATE:

Come join the new forum over at GarageHacker.com
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Old 07-09-2013, 03:03 PM
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On the ouside looking in.

WOW!
As an observer, I see two warring factions fighting over a man like he's an inanimate object!

Where is Eric D. in all of this controversy, perhaps playing both sides against the middle with his silence? Waiting for a sweeter deal? Laughing all the way to the bank?

Seems to me that it's about who is going to be the high priest and donation collector for the online cult business.

I was also kind of surprised that Eric would rather put the cash in his pocket than pay the lab expenses, after all of moaning and groaning he did about not having one! ( no good deed goes unpunished!)

If that's the case, sell the lab and the equipment to recoup as much as your money as you can and move on.

Nobody is innocent here.

Does anybody have a contract with Mr. Dollard?
Also, there are allusions to the "dream". Just what exactly is the dream?
Does anybody know, or is all of that a subjective thought held by each "player".
All of these loosey goosey arrangements boggle the mind!
just sayin'

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Ray Savant - Muhamad

Eric wanted this all revealed all out in the open so I supported him in that by laying out the facts.

I addressed each and every point that Webster or John P have posted in full detail. I have not responded to Ray because that will be for later.

Ray, who actually goes by Muhamad (that is what he said I should call him), has not admitted to anything (@Garrett). Webster was wrong in his email so I responded to Webster to let him know what I thought of his email. Muhamad then responds by accusing me of being a liar, etc... Anyone with common sense can see the sequence of events and will see that obviously Webster was out of line and Muhamad was even more out of line by retaliating with slanders accusations that I am lying, when he didn't even know what the facts are.

Everything I have posted is the absolute truth about all of these occurences and what Muhamad is doing is trying to fuel the flames with his contrived accusations and warrior battle cries. Ray is NOT welcome to have any involvement with Eric, period, and this is just the way it will have to be and if anyone cares what Eric wants, they should accept it - and it is NOT NEGOTIABLE.

@Garrett - go ahead and boycott this forum, I could care less. It is your loss, not mine. You popped off at the mouth with accusations about me without knowing the facts, so goodbye.

Here is another fact for everyone. Ray "Muhamad" Savant does NOT have permission to use ericdollard.com and he registered that website without ever asking permission ahead of time. He took it upon himself to do that and he even posted here when he did so and Eric doesn't not have any recourse that he can take that he knows of. It now forwards to aetherforce.com and he still does not approve of how Ray is using the website to portray Eric's work.

Later, Eric was met with DEMANDS by a nefarious element that surrounds him that he needs to immediately stop posting in Energetic Forum and Eric refused. What is happening here for anyone that actually cares to know is that Ray is part of a scheme to hijack Eric's work and to take exclusive control over it so they can use it to generate money to fuel their own agenda instead of supporting Eric in what he wants to do and this has been completely unacceptable to Eric. It should be no surprise that all of these facts have been left out of all of Muhamad "Tech Zombie's" online posts, videos, etc... they have been carefully crafted to portray Eric in a way that makes everyone believe that Eric is in full support of what Muhamad is doing! Nothing could be further from the truth.

Here is why Eric wants to continue to post in Energetic Forum - basically, it is not body's business and nobody needs to know a reason. It is his preference and anyone involved in trying to get him to stop what he wants to do needs to cut it out, leave him alone and let him do what he wants to do.

And keep in mind everyone that this was WAY BEFORE Eric ever came up here to meet with me and give his presentation at the conference. So you can see that Ray is nothing more than a low life liar doing his best to manipulate you all into believing I am the one who is putting Eric against Ray.

Another thing some people here obviously are swallowing up is Ray's lying and fraudulent nature to make you think he is some level and balanced person who is only here to help... Always remember that he and unfortunately John P. have open made false accusations about me "brainwashing" Eric to put him against Ray, etc... when these desires of Eric to NOT want anything to do with Ray existed WAY BEFORE I ever met Eric!

John is stating I did that as his opinion because he is easily swayed by Ray and the emotion in the moment. That is my opinion. I just think John P doesn't know any better. Muhamad is a different story.

Ray is lying about me because he sees this as an opportunity to make it look like I a the one causing trouble to get people to leave this forum so that he can capture the traffic - but there is one flaw there - Eric does NOT want to have anything to do with Ray, will not post his work on Ray's websites and will not have anything to do with Ray no matter what, period. So anyone that is buying into what Ray is claiming and is doing anything to add to the momentum of that is stabbing Eric in the back.

There is an ENTIRE HISTORY of events that are documented very well that validates that entire claim.

I will be sure to let Eric know that Garrett, Geometric Algebra, and Raui have obviously sided with Ray and their posts are working in concert with Ray's agenda. Eric will be thrilled to learn that about you guys.

Ray, you are a pathetic piece of work. Immediately after I emailed David Webster, you started to go on a rant about me being a liar, etc... calling me names and accusing me of things that were not true. You are a hypocrite and a liar. Don't preach to me about God. You changed your name to Muhamad and are dedicated to some personal holy war and Eric is nothing but a dispensable tool in your battle as is everyone else. And it IS a part of your plan to dispense of Eric at some point. There are more things documented than you can possibly imagine and this was all before I ever personally connected with Eric.

Again everyone, you can criticize me all you want. I don't care, but don't be willfully ignorant to the fact that 100% of every accusation they have made about me manipulating Eric to not trust Ray is 100% FALSE and Muhamad is playing any of you that believe that like a fool.

David Wittekind is the one member of the organization who has not contributed to the lies and slander. I will give him credit for that one. I received a message from him today and I told him I would call him. I will try to make that happen tomorrow and I will ask him if the organization approves of these communications by Muhamad. Muhamad already admitted by email that he does whatever the organization wants - so although he is not an official part of the organization, it is obvious that he has carte blanche to speak for the organization. Therefore, the entire organization is to be held responsible for defamation of character claiming that I am brainwashing Eric to go against Ray.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:41 AM
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Ray Savant

Ray is a forked-tongue lying snake.
Let's put a face to the name...

Here is Ray Savant
aka Tech Zombie or Muhamad

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/0bdOe5YPL6A/hqdefault.jpg

And some of the gullible members buying into Ray's crap have the audacity to say I'm the one with the ego???

The other pictures are too pornographic to post on this forum, but you can see them in the links.

He claims that his past life is in the past, but for everyone's information, Ray personally THREATENED Eric Dollard to his face during one of his visits. And Ray is concocting a story that I actually have something to do with trying to get Eric upset and Ray? Really???!!

You all have no idea what has been going on behind the scenes. Ray will lie to you and will make you think that his past is in the past and that somehow he is a changed man now, found God, changed his name to Muhamad....and AFTER this "change" he still threatened Eric to his face. So, what does that speak of his "change"???

He already trying to plant this in you mind with the offering of the pics with the gogo girls. Apparently, there are a few people who will eat up his garbage like candy but I'm just hoping there are MORE of you reading who will completely reserve any judgment until you see all the facts come out by all parties.

How do you all think Eric feels about this? Being threatened by a large intimidating person with a violent past with fighting experience. Any of you have the slightest feeling about what position that puts Eric in all of this? You can all side with Ray if you want and add to the slanderous lies against me - go ahead.

I will continue to stand my ground, state the truth and I will stand on Eric's side no matter what. And that is what I intend to do no matter how many of you will blow around like a leaf in the wind and side with Ray's lies and accusations.

What I learned while Eric was here was absolutely disgusting, enough to make someone puke. So put that in your pipe and smoke it while digesting the reason that I called out the snake. The #1 nefarious element surrounding Eric that has been fooling all of you from the beginning. I admit that I bought into his self aggrandizing self edification BS like some others and that he is there to simply help, but after spending a month with Eric, I've heard enough - and enough is enough.

If you want to have a look into the real Ray "Muhamad", check out these links and READ THEM very carefully WORD FOR WORD. Don't buy into his lies that it was only a past part of who he used to be - remember, he THREATENED Eric and that was AFTER the supposed "change". Who he is now is exactly who he used to be - he just changed his clothes - nothing more and nothing less. So, you all can side with Ray or you can side with Eric...there is no middle ground. For anyone that wants to say that they haven't heard from Eric's side of the story - well, YOU ALREADY HAVE! It was a martian reference anyone naive and gullible enough to believe that I had anything to do with that post doesn't have enough intelligence to follow Eric's work anyway and should just tune out.

If you search his name and the keyword MMA, you will see discussions from people that apparently know Ray that he is all screwed up from steroid use and that would explain his RAGE against Eric in one incident and the lies that you are seeing right now.

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Start with this link - you can click on the links on that page to bring up the other pictures and look at other people's comments and what other people have titled the posts - there are GRAPHIC descriptions that are XXX so if you don't want to read any of that, don't click the link.

Here is Ray Savant's own personal description of his motorcycle, in his own words, trying to be anonymous. "Muhamad" is pornographic in his explanation about his motorcycle so keep that in mind before you read it.
Motorcycle Info Pages - Featured R1200GS's > Crazy Pink R1200GSA

And then of course is the epitome of how Ray Savant sees himself is in the pictures of what is on his windshield.

Again, don't buy the BS that he is a changed man and this is his past. You all know that Eric will speak his mind and if he doesn't like something, he will say it. Instead of Ray showing any compassion for Eric when Eric spoke his mind about an issue that he didn't appreciate, Muhamad threatened him!!!

You all have been duped by "Tech Zombie". He is LYING about me manipulating Eric and anyone that popped off at the mouth against me in support of Ray's BS should be ashamed of themselves. There is a reason for every single post that I have made and each post was made to illicit a certain response from a certain individual and it has been a success beyond what was imagined.

And to finish off this post, remember, BEFORE I ever posted anything in detail, Eric posted the "Martian" post on his own without me being present so Eric has ALREADY told you his feelings. Ray instantly started to defend himself in a way that was disguised as a post that was to scold me for manipulating Eric.

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES THIS???

more, WAY MORE to come...
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WOW!
As an observer, I see two warring factions fighting over a man like he's an inanimate object!
Jimm,

I think you need to choose your words more wisely.

I am NOT fighting over Eric. He has been a guest in my home and a guest in my friend's home for a month and what I am doing is STICKING UP FOR THE HIM! Eric knows that he finally has someone that is on his side. There are a few others who stay anonymous, but I'm public with it and understand why the others need to stay anonymous.

You can manipulate the context in which this is happening all you want, but you cannot make one simple rational argument based on the facts of what I have posted that I am fighting "over him" when the facts that speak for themselves is that I HAVE HIS BACK!!!
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I was also kind of surprised that Eric would rather put the cash in his pocket than pay the lab expenses, after all of moaning and groaning he did about not having one! ( no good deed goes unpunished!)
You must be completely blind. How many times does it need to be said that Eric has his own private life, which is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. He has issues with his car that needs to be fixed and that costs money, etc... again, you are speaking out of ignorance of what the facts are or what Eric's situation is. You are essentially saying out of ignorance that Eric shouldn't have any money of his own! You should be completely and totally ashamed of yourself for what you have insinuated with your post!!!
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swore I'd never post here again but...

after being banned 3 times by aaron I swore I'd never post here every again but... after someone sent me this thread I must


Aaron is alot worse than you guys know. He screwed me big time on two deals and then went out of his way to destroy my reputation. Each one of the people I was working with got an email from him about me with a torrent of lies. Even a few of my friends on Facebook got msg's from him.

This is the part that really gets me...

HE EVEN MESSAGED MY GIRLFRIEND ON FACEBOOK badmouthing me. We were breaking up at the time but she was still mortified by the creep.

Aaron is just slime. He never tells the truth and will turn on anyone he can whenever possible. I lost alot of time, money and moral dealing with this guy but I bounced back and went alot further than I ever could of being around him and this place.

a Boycott is a good idea. Hereticalforum was started just to get away from him. Not sure if it is just greed or he is an mib.

He'll prob delete this and ban me again. go ahead Aaron, you loser.
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You must be completely blind. How many times does it need to be said that Eric has his own private life, which is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. He has issues with his car that needs to be fixed and that costs money, etc... again, you are speaking out of ignorance of what the facts are or what Eric's situation is. You are essentially saying out of ignorance that Eric shouldn't have any money of his own! You should be completely and totally ashamed of yourself for what you have insinuated with your post!!!
Aaron,

I don't know any of you, that's correct, and your private lives are none of my business. However you all chose to do a public brawl, so now we get the picture of what a mess all of this has become.

Eric was living in his car or couch surfing until those guys came along and offered to help him in a big way by acquiring a lab for him.

I didn't say that Eric didn't deserve any money of his own, those are your words. All i am saying is that when the chips are down and the finances are getting tight, he should also sacrifice as many there apparently have done way beyond what most people would do on his behalf.
It seemed as if he didn't appreciate the lab he was given.

If he is indeed being intimidated, then he should leave. the lab and equipment sold,money returned, and everyone goes back to where they were in life.

Again, not a peep from Eric, but you continue to write one diatribe after another, claiming to Be Eric's champion.
Maybe you are, maybe you're not, I don't know you. I do know that you guys definitely have issues with each other.

Eric has not come out for either side, ironically, which makes me wonder if he isn't the "puppet master" pitting one side against the other for reasons lnown only to him, which he did according to you.

No one has said that they have a contract with Mr. Dollard to do ANYTHING,
so he is free to go back to the bush and all of you can just lick your wounds and move on.

Mr. Dollard, then, has full legal recourse at his disposal to have anything that he does not want done in his name taken down.
I'm just going to watch how this all shakes out.

Aaron, you seem to be the businessman of the group, but I guess not even you could get Eric to sign on the dotted line, eh?

Eric Dollard seems to be an interesting mercurial character, the more I glean about him from the net. Of coarse, people can be made to look like something they are not (good or bad)with enough PR.

What I really like about the guy is that he marches to a different drummer!
Go Eric! wherever you are...
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Hey techzombie dude,

Is this you 3:57 secs in Brian Ramages' short vid Severed?


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Aaron,

I apologize for the brothel reference, but you should consider researching the deceptive language and terminology of sustainable development. In my opinion, sustainability propaganda is saturating all mediums at the moment which would make it easy to be caught in the web (not unlike the little info web I'm obviously caught in here).

This situation is starting to look scary and I'm having a difficult time countering it with smart-ass comments and creative play.

All the best to Eric.
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I am very new to this forum but over that past few months I have learned a lot from people on this thread, not much of it was technical mind you. I have learned that the greatest enemies to this type of technology are the very people who supposedly champion it.

I have learned that if one has any pearls of wisdom, science, technology, etc. Don't give it to the pigs in the alt sci/tech community. Sheesh, you guys are insane; filled with conspiracies of oppression of your device/discovery/belief, while you yourself are oppressing others in your own community.

The reason Alt Science never escapes it's cult like origin's are because of the people who supposedly champion it. The Correa's of Aetherometry fame are absolutely correct in their assertion that neither the alternative science and technology community NOR officialdom is correct. Both are a trap. You guys have proven that beyond a doubt.

Eric offers some very real technical achievements, and the opportunity to engineer with them. It is just unfortunate no matter what part of science and technology you look at, it's all the same. Politics, lawyers(i bet this will end in a lawsuit), money, money, money, greed, ego, Me first-no ME first attitudes.

Most of what i've found here, and especially in the alternative technology community is hearsay, superstition, and religious dogma. When someone actually HAS found a better way to use technology you all exploit them for your own benefit. None of you here is any better than the JP morgans of the world. You just don't have to money, power, and influence to destroy people yet.

There are people here genuinely interested in new and better science and technology. I have learned much from Eric Dollard, his work, and experiential views on the world. It's unfortunate that in this day and age, greed is the order of the day, ego and selfishness the status quo.

This whole fiasco and others like it, on this forum and others confirms for me that you people have absolutely nothing to offer to the world of technology and science.

There are genuine geniuses in this world... they get the work, they shape the world. EPD, from what i've read has had many opportunities in the "real" world to engineer and optimize the systems he's been brought on board to work with.

This forum and others like it, in contrast, are filled with nerds and geeks with serious chips on their shoulders that THEY didn't discover what he and others like him have discovered. People on these and similar forums continually talk about NWO nonsense, and pseudo christian fundamentalism mixed with new age eastern mysticism. As long as you arein to that stuff you'll never have the brain power to actually look and and perceive the world yourself, and thus perhaps discover something new.

Those of you on both sides of this argument show your true colors. Notice, Trex(EPD) has yet to publish a response to this(good for him to stay out of this crap.), hopefully he will find a willing utility, or heck maybe even the O.N.R or similar organization to fund him.

This has got to end. No wonder alternative science and technology are seen as an absolute joke by those who are actually employed as scientists and engineers.

Here's to stepping away from the cult(and trap) of alternative sci/tech... and discovering for ourselves, through hard work, observation, experimentation, and revision, what is and isn't reality in this world.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:50 AM
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Eric P Dollard is a good man, but who is a friend to him?

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Eric Dollard Campaign PART 1


I believe many people here may have wasted their time fighting when they could have been working together achieving the goal of a sound base to work on.

Many may know that I was a "key person" of the team for the eric dollard indiegogo fundraiser, I certainly do, as Techzombie says so on the ericdollard.com website, which is now called Aetherforce.com.

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Adam Bull: Adam wrote a Book featuring the work of Eric and has been a key person on the web team, referring many people and much money to the fundraiser.
http://www.aetherforce.com/eric-doll...leased/‎

I am thanked here second to David Whit and David Web. Thanks for the thanks. Somewhat less thanks for what I am about to set out.

I referred to Eric's campaign about 100,000 people or so in my networks, possibly quite a many more. I had hundreds of friends help. I did this gladly! The reason why I was thanked is because I had a large part in turning the $36,000 Eric got in the first place. I managed to convince my family and partner to donate Eric $1000. For one, which made a large difference to the campaign.

I had compiled a small network over the years. Having had an interest in scientific, electrical theory and natural philosophy from a young age, and having experienced the academic and non academic realms of thought somewhat intensively (that is intensively infuriating), when I found Eric, it very much saved me from the torment of academic as well as the dire alternative scientific life. Finally I thought - a clear road. Explanation and reference with historic context. And from an EX R.C.A employee. I thought to myself. I am not going to miss this and I am going to document it so that nobody else has to go thru the long process of discovery.

I thought to myself, about 4 years ago upon discovering Eric This guy is a darn genius and I cannot believe that nobody is listening to him and his excellent theories and treatises on electric and radio theory. His knowledge of electrical history has allowed me to "win" many audacious conversations with significantly educated men. The magneto dielectric is indeed forgotten. Indeed Dollard, was very different to the alternative science fraudsters. I just couldn't understand why nobody else had picked him up. Why was it only a small organization in the nevada desert Borderland Sciences Foundation that had recognised him? Unbelievable! This was what I thought 4 years ago, and it has been a very uphill struggle to refine myself to the level Eric works. Why had this man become so alienated from people? I do not have many friends, most of all since taking up eric's work, because I was interested in pursuing truth, and I recognised that maybe Eric was the same - truth doesn't make friends - unless friends are looking for it. The same stubborn streak, the irrepresible "its not an electron", "where is the electron", "show it to me" streak. The same streak that keeps those vacuum tubes of David and Eric's humming. That streak, was in them, and I had it too. The explanation is never good enough streak. The "you are ignoring the exceptions". The Faradays law only holds whilst Kircchoff and ohm breaks down. The holy grail of all scientific research is what Eric represents. The parametric transformer, one of many avenues of research Eric has involved himself, many times describing things beforehand that are capable of "impossible" things, that is to say unequal energy generation and a non conservative field.

Eric Dollard was the man that gave me the confidence I needed to think for myself, and read more about Tesla. I did. It led me to the Tesla non electromagnetic transmission system, the electric mechanical oscillator, and the faster than light waves or rays described in Tesla's work. I actually thought I cannot believe that I was not taught this stuff at school. I wanted to write about my experience, so that others, and there are many less fortunate others than myself - who are not aware electrons could be non existing things.

Eric - he led me to Tesla's groundbreaking understandings on radioactivity, matter, anti-matter, and the faster than light massless aetheric corpuscles of some kind that which they are formed. Eric's work helped me form a general book on Tesla's alternative artistic and natural philosophy of tesla's magnifying transmitter. The plan was to donate the money to Eric. Being a musician of some 20 years standing I was in a unique position to understand some of eric's and tesla's work on the accelerating t.m.t capacitor discharge and the virtue of mutual inductance as described in dollard's books published by the BSF. It is no different than being able to strike a note on a piano, and then increase the density of notes per second or PPQ (parts per quarter) in the bar. This increases amplitude. Condenses energy in the dimension of time. Simple mechanical stuff. I find it easy, many do not. Many of you may recall Eric Dollard "man of the desert" and eric dollard "Nikola Tesla & Edward Leedskalnin & Eric Dollard. An Interpretation of Vortex Science" video that I did about Eric and were included on ericdollard.com. I am an artist as well as a musician and scientist, composer and writer. Also many may remember Tesla, Poverty and Tyranny another musical composition that I did for these gentleman, that was also used on the ericdollard.com website. As you can see I have dedicated much of my time and effort to helping you all.

eric dollard man of the desert
Dollard - Man of the Desert - YouTube

eric dollard interpretation of vortex science
Nikola Tesla & Edward Leedskalnin & Eric Dollard. An Interpretation of Vortex Science - YouTube

Tesla, Poverty, Tyranny
Tesla, Poverty & Tyranny. - YouTube

As It can be seen I have done quite a bit for Eric in getting his word out there. And my work has been used throughout the campaign.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:51 AM
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Eric Dollard Campaign PART 2

I have been in contact with David Dawson, and many others here in regard to my projects and work and have posted freely my ideas here about alternating current and magnetic current, and how I conclude that the motion is at the base of electricity, as is the motion of the planets at the base of the universe, and life, and all things. I have only ever built 1 transformer. When I started working with electricity and build my first transformer about 2 years ago I knew almost nothing about electricity, just like Edward Leedskalnin, but I read Dollards and Leedskalnins work and I thought they are right, if they can do it, so can I.

I have been engaged in discussing electrical transmission line theory as described by Edward Leedskalnin in Magnetic Current and Nikola Tesla in Alternate Currents of High Frequency and in a myriad of newspaper articles that I have collected and included in the book that describe impossible transverse radio signalling between two mountain tops. All of this, all thanks to Eric. I hope he knows.

I have compiled and distributed Eric's written work as best I can for a total of 4 years. On conspiracy.co and thru a publisher solomon-books.com which was setup with the express intent of sending Eric Dollard money. I hope he knows.

Eric is a great man, and I have him to thank for what he has done for me. I am a better person by leaps and bounds.

I have been researching Eric's work particularly concerning R.C.A for a very long time now and I sacrificed a career working in defense and as a penetration tester to do this (I can provide credentials if you do not believe me) and I have tried desperately for years to try and popularize his and tesla's work and that of others like Leedskalnin, Wheatstone, Walter Lewin at MIT et al. Babaev, non conservative fields, and the faraday equation holding over the Kirchhoff and Ohmic expectations. As well as: The non electromagnetic wave, the faster than light rays of tesla determined to be coming from Antares, that the 20,000,000 or so watts produced in the Niagara falls is created by external things, and not by the river or the turbine. That is to say something is motivating the river, the missing piece of information is the same missing piece of information that exists in the "Free energy" community debates that have occurred here. Even the creation of the universe. Particularly I have been keenly interested in documenting the historic cases with Bolinas and KPH, Yankee Radio as well as the Alexanderson Patent modifications, Eric's writing on Commonweal, Point Reyes and the real nefarious agencies that work against him. I believe that it is not agencies or nefarious organisations that is mans enemy but it is the flaws of people, and for us all that is tissue deep. They and we, just cannot help it, they want to, but they cannot, they are armored. Too - stubborn. "Why must he do this?", "why must he make trouble". "Why can't he just sit down and take it easy?" This "I hate it , I loathe it", "I kill it". That is what man is against, and it comes not from without, but from within. This is a hard lesson many do not go thru life fully learning.

I am not a nefarious agency. I am a supporter of Eric's work.

I have spoke here at some lengths about the electron being a non existent thing, and that you can only create the electrons with a north and south pole bar magnet. I have largely been ignored, by many of the people here that are accusing many others of "inflated ego's".

Might I suggest a concerted and deep breath before this period of activity here is allowed to continue any further. For the good of men. Might the respect and dignity of men be re-obtained, and underwhelming sanity return to the chairs around the table.

You should know, I myself donated $100 to the Eric Dollard campaign, and encouraged my partner to donate $1000, hoping very much to get at least the personal letter from Eric. Having already helped the campaign to the great extent that I was thanked, and having sent (without charge) Eric my book accompanied with a single handwritten letter early this year, I thought I would receive at least a letter of thanks for them, especially given everything that has been done by myself as previously set out, oh and there was the fact that I had paid for it. No it just seems that others want to take credit, and for some reason that ERic thinks that I am a witch. I would suggest this to be incorrect. I run 2 indiegogo campaigns myself and I thought that fundraisers were obliged to fulfill their perks. No matter.
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Eric Dollard Campaign Part 3

I do not why things must get personal - Truly. I encourage anyone who wishes to express their feelings about me to do so. I do not have anything to hide. In the past here, and in society in general - people never seem to have any difficulty expressing their feelings, though more frequently than not they have a great deal of hardship in conveying their own capacities of intelligence. An unused capacity is not something we should be necessarily angry with but one that should bring sadness to us all as a group. The earth is like a gigantic boat, and Eric is in the brig.

This is something to be considered, when grown men begin to act like apes, forget favors, and take personal discourse, it can very easily lose sight of the objective goals. Since a campaigner expressed to me by techzombie "This is not fatal attraction". Might I suggest that anyone who thinks this behavior such as that which has been directed at me and others is respectable, they are wrong. And they are wrong every time.

In that same spirit I would like to state "This is not space oddysey 2001." Don't let the thing get out of control. This is a very serious matter, and ultimately the people here supporting the campaign, as well as the campaign runners are determining the life and course of Eric Dollard and an ancient technology, That is to say I recommend against unnecessary risks that might prevent the Eric Dollard campaign from continuing. A technology that very few understand properly, including myself.

That is to say we are talking about the "inertial neutrailzer" that I am more than quite possibly "banned" from discussing.

As Eric says that takes about "20 years or so". Maybe I am not allowed, or just not welcome!

I think that I have never hidden, among the thousands of people I have come to know as a writer, to my supporters to Eric's , I can say that I am honest in my activities and straightforward in my opinions. Specifically in such a way when asked about my work I would always direct people to Eric, and not my wallet, that Eric was the man to goto about this stuff. Ultimately that means I do work like what I do for Eric. In the case that a misconception has arised I am giving opportunity, and the dignified respect of informing you of these things. Which is why I helped Eric raise the monies from the begin, well, my Congratulations Eric. I am sorry that I never got your letter but I am sure that you are busy with more important things now you got something at least.

I am sorry that my $1100 contributions were unwelcome. I am still waiting for the reason why they were not welcome. If you would like to discuss that is up to you. I have after all already been threatened by your friendly fundraisers when asking about the letter I should have got off you. My partner was understandably furious she was refunded the $1000 , the money me and family had put by was a lot to us. I would have given more if I could have. I still would now.

I am sorry that when I asked about the letter on your indiegogo campaign fundraiser, it was suggested by the fundraiser organizer that I had posted "12 harassing comments" there. Indeed, if by "harassing comments" it was meant my consistent re-putting of my question on the website, after it vanishing no less than 11 times, then, yes that is the "harassment" and "psychotic messages" that I am indeed guilty of.

You suggested in contrast that my "insane comments" "were deleted.", and that you could see why Eric Dollard referred to me as "a psycho", you mentioned that you had no intention of "ruining" my reputuation whilst you did so mention this publicly on the indiegogo campaign. I do not believe I have anything to hide. On the other hand I believe certain "ego driven" people here may have? Considering what I have and am setting out here.

I can only post on the indiegogo campaign because I supported the campaign with money. I was at a time interested as to why the fundraiser thought that my questions about my letter were amounting to "harassment". Since no real answer is forthcoming I will assume that no obligation to answer my questions are felt. Remembered, this will be.

Indeed, not only is my money no good, but my partners $1000 was no good and she had that refunded. David Webster messages me on the death book (face book) that techzombie has decided that I am "not co-operating" with the campaign. Indeed if by not co-operating he means discussing the chris carson rotary electrostatic transformer, and the "secret" of vibration, and the inertial neutralizer, then yes I am fatally guilty of this charge. talking about the suppressed technology that only the high ranking eric dollard people get to talk about between themselves in case the men in black come to steal it away from them. (some sarcasm added for dramatic effect and embellishment exists within the wording of this sentence).
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:53 AM
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Eric Dollard Campaign Part 4

Having worked to some effort to attempt to guide this campaign in a direction that I felt was sensible, constructive and meaningful. I have only come to have our families $1100 rejected. As well as my letter, when I am supposed to be a "key person". Obviously not key enough as, after all my help, I am not allowed to speak freely, or receive what I paid. No explanation except that I'm a "psycho" and harassing you asking about it. If you think about it if you asked someone where something you paid for was , that was easy to do , and it was suggested by the company that sold it that they did not want to "ruin" your "reputation" and that your book was **** according to the man, I wonder how well another would take it. Especially after doing everything I have said, that is to say if I am not lying.

Thanks for this Eric and techzombie.

I am writing to suggest that after I help you raise $36,000 as what you described as a "key person", that I expected the letter from Eric instead of the unhappy threats of libel and slander and insulting remarks about my book.

My book very well might not be brilliant enough for Eric, but in all the "little people" that eric is so-called trying to help, the "little people" that helped him, I have actually taken action and made a great sacrifice so that others can at least access his information in a way that is not completely incomprehensible. Many people are not academics, and I feel that it is dangerous to bite the hands that feeds.

I suggest that it is considered carefully by all parties considered before going forward, as it is and would be incredibly unfortunate to see this campaign marred by problems that needn't be necessary and are in fact completely avoidable, that is to say, if some gentleman cannot keep their privates in their pants then maybe they should say nothing rash, or they could do inestimable damage to the reputations of other people they work, again completely unnecessary and wholely avoidable. The question you really need to ask folks is why?

ultimately, this ousting is something that I can live with. I wonder if that is something that everybody else can live with.

That means, Eric Dollard, the campaigners, and the supporters.

I suggest that someone somewhere think real long and hard about this.

Some people supporting Eric, have been alienated and the "all are welcome" message being touted is misleading. Any idiot and fool that gives us money welcome, but anyone who actually tries to make a difference and gets the campaign off the ground from 0 doesnt even deserve something he has supposed to have paid for. Not how I would conduct my business. But would it really be surprising if other human beings were perhaps less patient and respectful than I might have been in this case. And would intentionally and specifically smear the man in spite.

I want to be clear that is NOT something I am trying to do.

The only problem with politics is that if you do not participate you will become governed by your inferiors. I will not be governed by my inferiors, or by low people. Eric Dollard, will you? who governs you.

If you think that people deserve this sort of labeled treatment as aformentioned, or you support this sort of treatment then you are less of a father and a man than you are a scientist and that is something that cannot be taught in an engineering lab, I will be happy to leave you all alone forever, and it will be with regret. It is a shame as you Eric are one of the most intelligent persons I have ever come to know of I cannot think why you have surrounded yourself with such destructive and dishonest people, and I cannot think why you act so destructively and so unnecessarily nastily to people that already have helped you most significantly and could be mostly responsible for yoru recent successes.

Please be careful and look after yourself. I mean that Eric. I still want you to succeed. That is what friends, real friends are for.
We all do, all of us who truly understand what the wheelwork of nature technology means.
I suppose what I am saying is that I don't mind taking one for the team. I hope you are surrounded by people who can do that.

That is what worries me most of all. Most of all.
I mean it, be well.



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Old 07-11-2013, 01:25 AM
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A Conclusion

I am going to make a simple plea to all of you who are arguing to cease now and take your differences of opinion offline.
This is meant to be a research Forum where we are interested in all that Eric P Dollard has to offer.

I am most disappointed that you all have allowed this to get totally out of hand - enough!
Not going to side with either party but appreciate and respect the views of both sides but not here in the public space - thankyou!

Went to the 'AetherForce' Forum and was also most disappointed in that I saw the magic 'turn-off' word which I relate to the LOS (lack of substance) material of Facebook and Twitter and others.

I have a part in a Yahoo Forum of my own and would like all those interested in 'Energy Synthesis' (ES) to join where we can carry on the work of not only Eric P Dollard but others as we talk of all associated with ES.
You will have to be signed in when you join with your short reason for joining as we do have a doorway and just not anybody can get in and we also have moderators and I am one of those as well and at 71, can also get cranky:

dltorsiondevices : DL Torsion Devices

All of those interested in carrying on including Aaron and David Webster who appear to have the disagreement are most welcome to join and all the others here dedicated to ES but the subject matter will always be ES and nothing else.
A simple site no pretty borders just a place to gather information together amongst like-minded individuals.

This does not mean to say I am finished here but will be if the disagreement continues - this is NOT what we are here for.
We are here for research in the name of Eric P Dollard and he needs to be respected in all of this and I see very little of that.

I am most fortunate that some of you have already joined me at the above Yahoo Group and have others interested.

Sincerely and respectfully.

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Zero Fossil Fuel's Interview

Zero Fossil Fuel - did an interview with Eric at the conference which was interesting to watch:

#338 Eric Dollard interview at Bedini-Lindemann 2013 - YouTube

When I watched it did wonder what the heck Eric really meant during one part of the interview.

At 9:18 Eric says, "The co-operation was kinda not right with the people taking the pictures so nothing worked out like the way I wanted it".

So while Eric doesn’t say too much here, it does give some supporting evidence as to what has been said.

There is the website address on the bottom corner of the video. The website also has an interesting write-up on the recent conference.
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:47 AM
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You just can't make this stuff up!

Yet another round of disturbing input!

"The people's project"? REALLY? How are the "people" involved? Mr 7redorbs is not happy for sure.

As Farmhand asked previously, " has this been thought out"?
Who knows? The "lab" is all hush hush under a cloak of secrecy while taking public donations as a non profit. Hmmmm...

Now there are accusations of improprieties.

Most people who have ground breaking ideas, find like minded talent who can contribute to various aspects of running a business, form a corporation with a mission statement, and set out for funding. Perhaps selling stock along the way.
This is more of a "study group", so there is no "proof of concept model", no product, no consumer, military, or industrial problem solved by what they are doing. Research can be profitable, like cern...for the people who work there...

Like all alternate energy outfits, it;s really hard to figure out who is running the show.
Why isn't there a EPD labs website with contact people, board of directors, etc , listed? Instead, there is nothing but but a Hodgepodge of forums, YouTube, and sites with almost anonymous owners!
If you can't even put up a website, how do expect me to believe that you can be organized enough to do advanced research?

I had to dig a bit to find Mr. webster, so I could tell him the Eric's radio license had expired. It's all very murky and mysterious.
BTW, I originally looked his license up to confirm that he was still alive because none of the stuff on the internet was posted by him, nor did any of the content have an official Eric Dollard source.

Meanwhile, at least Aaron has a business plan of putting books in the eager hands of the "true believers". He does have product of sorts. ( but not many fans ). I Don't know what went on between the factions, don't really care. It would be in your mutual best interests to work together, but that doesn't seem possible at this point.

On the other hand, I am not sure what EPD labs does or who is involved.
Until you guys step out of the shadows and be more forthcoming about your mission, people and status, I think any potential donors should hold onto their money.
At very least, Mr Dollard should get a regular treasury report and his name should be on the signing card since the funds were ultimately meant for him.

I'm talking out of my backside here, since nobody really knows what the hell the EPD Labs structure is, if any, but something to consider.
You would probably do better if you seemed more legitimate.

After all of this, everyone involved looks like nothing more than modern day Medicine show men. Sorry guys, you all need to clean up your respective acts.
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He screwed me big time on two deals and then went out of his way to destroy my reputation.

HE EVEN MESSAGED MY GIRLFRIEND ON FACEBOOK badmouthing me. We were breaking up at the time but she was still mortified by the creep.
This is coming from someone that is completely anonymous who is simply making up stories. I have every message that I have ever sent through PM in Facebook going all the way to when I first joined. Put up or shut up.
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your private lives are none of my business. However you all chose to do a public brawl, so now we get the picture of what a mess all of this has become.

What I really like about the guy is that he marches to a different drummer!
Go Eric! wherever you are...
What I brought up was about certain individual(s) around Eric who are pretending to help him - relating to the organization. That doesn't address Eric's private life, which is again - nobody's business. They are publicly raising money for that. Or at least supposed to be doing that. And if they are doing that, why do they need to come to the conference to take half of the money away from Eric, which was supposed to be his? He has his own personal needs, which are separate from the organization and if they can't even pay their own rent without having to leech off of the conference, which they have no business doing, then something is seriously wrong with the whole deal. I can't be the only one that sees this.

Webster already publicly said the donations account had more money than the organization's account. Eric was promised from the beginning that all the organization's funds would be taken care of (remember, there is an angel funder right???) - so why take money from Eric? Either they have a plan or they do not - and if they did, they would have had the rent taken care of without dipping into Eric's personal pockets. This is a very simple concept.

Here is a sample of the mentality we're dealing with here... Webster has to pay taxes on all that money in the donations account??? Are you kidding me? xx% should just be set aside as a matter of policy and not touched and used to pay taxes at the end of the year...whatever isn't spent on taxes can be dispersed from that amount. Are these organizational "experts" surrounding Eric giving Webster advice or are they sitting back watching all the money get paid out without any cause or concern for David's personal liability? I get that David is an engineer and not a business person, but they obviously know his situation because they used it as an example of how selfless David is (and I would agree with that belief), but that haven't had one spec of decency to mention to David what to do so he doesn't carry the burden on his own... What kind of person(s) would sit by and watch that happen without saying anything. Instead, they brag about what a great job Webster is doing to his own detriment. Wow - nobody had enough decency to tell David how to avoid being personally responsible. WOW. WOW. WOW.

Sign on the bottom line? Eric and I have an agreement and it has NOTHING to do with the non-profit organization and any details on the agreement are nobody's business. I have repeatedly stated that my work with Eric is Eric's personal deal and not the organization's. Some of them feel threatened by me and my relationship with Eric and it is all completely unfounded. They see me as competition to them. What I see or at least what I saw was that there could have been a mighty powerful alliance, which could have been mutually beneficial to all parties involved. They paint me as the greedy one, but you don't have the slightest idea how nefarious the elements are that I referred to. I was looking forward to a synergistic relationship. And what about Ray for example? Wants to destroy me and take this forums traffic so they can dominate and have exclusive control not only over Eric's work but his relationships. This is absolutely true and is why demands were made of Eric to stop posting here. Again, I can't be the only one that sees this.

I'm sure there are plenty of people that received my emails promoting Eric's indegogo campaign - and my recommendation helped to generate about 1/3 of their entire funding - and I told everyone on my mailing lists, etc... over 50,000 people at minimum and that doesn't include forum membership, etc... Now, they knew that Eric was coming to the conference - how much did they use all their magical promotional abilities to help promote the conference to let everyone know that Eric will be there? A few little-known references to the conference and my assistance in the campaign - and they only did that later, with much hesitation - that was it.

That is along the lines of a non-cooperative diode in a matter of speaking... they want things coming in their direction, but they do not want to reciprocate in the same way... as I said, I'm not the greedy one - there is a reason I've been in business for so long and my closest associates have been near me for many years. That is not possible if I was even the slightest bit the way Ray paints me as. Am I hard to deal with sometimes? Yes. But I am not greedy and I am honest in all my dealings - personally and in business. My personal business and partnership pay out 60% on all published materials that affiliates sell because I believe in taking care of people who contribute. I've done this for years and I'm absolutely thrilled to be able to offer this opportunity to people.

I saw some reference from some idiot here that I embezzled money? What a dufus. I see all these claims that I'm screwing people but they're all from anonymous people with no proof. Only mental degenerates will believe an anonymous story with no proof and I've seen a few examples of that here already - we all have.

And on top of that, I actually am the one with evidence that Ray and even John P's claims about me are 100% fabricated lies. I never put Eric up to anything and Ray is afraid that you will all eventually learn this so he is trying to cause as much damage to my name in the meantime. He's too stupid to understand that he has buried himself in legal liabilities with slander, libel and defamation of character and a CLEAR willful and wanton desire to cause harm to my businesses. And he is stupid enough to post that all publicly. With me, I actually have proof that he is a liar and there is no slander if it is true. How anyone can be so pathetically stupid to believe that their lies will triumph over the truth is beyond me - especially when there is ample documentation.

If they had enough sense to understand that I can help the organization quite a bit from the outside without ever being involved with them, they wouldn't be in the destitute situation that they are left to deal with now. I'm not making any claims or promises to what level of help I can give, but for sure, they would be in a better position. Just my opinion.

Instead Ray's greed and dark agenda to label me as a "brainwasher", etc... in order to pull some stupid Jerry McGuire scene about "whose coming with me" - is burning those bridges - not only with me but others that I suggested they should consider helping the non-profit. Ray already slandered me in private by email before I ever posted anything in this thread so get that straight and get it straight that Ray and the others were given a message from Eric that denounced their attacks on me. They simply do not know what they're doing.

You have been led to believe the lab was acquired "for him". If that is the case, why are things being done behind his back - many things that are done without his knowledge or consent. As I mentioned in a past post, obviously each person should be trusted to do their job and doesn't have to always inform each and every person each time they have to flush the toilet, that's not what I'm talking about.

Here is a fact for everyone - the emails that Webster and Ray sent me, which were out of line was met with not only my own email - but a message directly from Eric biting their heads off in one sentence about how he does not approve of anything they did! That message in itself is all the proof necessary to show that Ray and everyone else is lying about the situation. They have short term memory and do not easily recall this message to them from Eric scolding them about their out of line bs. I'm not posting the message or the emails, but this is all documented. Oh gee - I just realized that I forgot to mention that little message from Eric - silly me!

Yes, your statement was a sharp stab at Eric - talking about how surprised you were that Eric would actually want the money??? If one or more "nefarious elements" are supposed to be such professionals at what they do and are supposed have their own fund generating mechanism set up, (which is what was promised to Eric), what in the world do they need someone to come to the conference to take half of the money away from Eric that was supposed to be his? I'm not sure what part of that you don't understand. His arrangements with me have NOTHING to do with the organization. I do my business and they should do theirs. What they want to do is throw a lasso around a coyote and what they wound up with was coyote byte marks across their faces.
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I apologize for the brothel reference, but you should consider researching the deceptive language and terminology of sustainable development. In my opinion, sustainability propaganda is saturating all mediums at the moment which would make it easy to be caught in the web (not unlike the little info web I'm obviously caught in here).

This situation is starting to look scary and I'm having a difficult time countering it with smart-ass comments and creative play.

All the best to Eric.
Apology excepted.

For example, showing the methodology of an electric motor that is cop 3.0 is sustainable by definition.

I'm fully aware of the club of rome not just pushing the sustainability propaganda along with global warming but actually crafting it so you are preaching to the choir, but anything like that from me is literal with no intent to deceive. All speaker's presentations descriptions were included on the conference website for everyone to read. And all the presentations were indeed presented as described.
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I am sorry that my $1100 contributions were unwelcome. I am still waiting for the reason why they were not welcome. If you would like to discuss that is up to you. I have after all already been threatened by your friendly fundraisers when asking about the letter I should have got off you. My partner was understandably furious she was refunded the $1000 , the money me and family had put by was a lot to us. I would have given more if I could have. I still would now.

I am sorry that when I asked about the letter on your indiegogo campaign fundraiser, it was suggested by the fundraiser organizer that I had posted "12 harassing comments" there. Indeed, if by "harassing comments" it was meant my consistent re-putting of my question on the website, after it vanishing no less than 11 times, then, yes that is the "harassment" and "psychotic messages" that I am indeed guilty of.

You suggested in contrast that my "insane comments" "were deleted.", and that you could see why Eric Dollard referred to me as "a psycho", you mentioned that you had no intention of "ruining" my reputuation whilst you did so mention this publicly on the indiegogo campaign. I do not believe I have anything to hide. On the other hand I believe certain "ego driven" people here may have? Considering what I have and am setting out here.

I can only post on the indiegogo campaign because I supported the campaign with money. I was at a time interested as to why the fundraiser thought that my questions about my letter were amounting to "harassment". Since no real answer is forthcoming I will assume that no obligation to answer my questions are felt. Remembered, this will be.

Indeed, not only is my money no good, but my partners $1000 was no good and she had that refunded. David Webster messages me on the death book (face book) that techzombie has decided that I am "not co-operating" with the campaign. Indeed if by not co-operating he means discussing the chris carson rotary electrostatic transformer, and the "secret" of vibration, and the inertial neutralizer, then yes I am fatally guilty of this charge. talking about the suppressed technology that only the high ranking eric dollard people get to talk about between themselves in case the men in black come to steal it away from them. (some sarcasm added for dramatic effect and embellishment exists within the wording of this sentence).
Adam,

I only remember a vague reference to your name and the mention that you wrote a book about Eric's work but never looked into it.

Just so that you personally know, you absolutely are NOT a "nefarious element" that I mentioned... the #1 primary one that I AM referring to is Ray "Muhamad" Savant.

Feel free to send me a private message if you want to discuss anything. Your efforts do not have to be in vain.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience with "the organizers".
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Thanks for sharing but there already is something coming together along these lines that will be announced in the near future.
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Zero Fossil Fuel - did an interview with Eric at the conference which was interesting to watch:

#338 Eric Dollard interview at Bedini-Lindemann 2013 - YouTube

When I watched it did wonder what the heck Eric really meant during one part of the interview.

At 9:18 Eric says, "The co-operation was kinda not right with the people taking the pictures so nothing worked out like the way I wanted it".

So while Eric doesn’t say too much here, it does give some supporting evidence as to what has been said.

There is the website address on the bottom corner of the video. The website also has an interesting write-up on the recent conference.
Thanks for posting that vid link. He is supposed to have that video subtitled correctly per the registration agreement regarding any video filmed at the conference.

Anyway, that kind of comment of Eric's is one of countless others. Literally, I could fill quite a few pages with these experiences that Eric had with the "others".

I have an interview of my own with Eric that was meant to help promote his upcoming presentation release and what you will find in it are a few of my comments about Webster and Polakowski and that was AFTER I received the email from Webster. I wonder if you will hear me complaining about them, etc... anyway, I'll post it sooner than I wanted to in order for everyone to see my demeanor and Eric's demeanor and everyone can see for themselves if Eric is someone under my "brainwashing" influence to put him against Ray, etc... This is completely different from an audio interview recording that I alluded to earlier on by someone significant. I even bring up the Aether Force's website and you can see for yourself what Eric's response to that is.
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He does have product of sorts. ( but not many fans ).
Not sure exactly what you mean about not having many fans. You are seeing but a small sliver of people that do not have their feet rooted deep enough to think for themselves and when someone like Ray comes along with all his mouth, a few people are bound to move in whatever direction the wind is blowing. That is just human nature.

As far as people that I have banned, I do so when their mouth goes overboard, period. Some I leave in for a while so they can have all the rope necessary. Some claim I'm censoring them. That of course is wishful thinking that they had anything worth censoring. When some cynic keeps blabbering on, I always ask them to start their own thread so how is that censorship? It isn't. I'm uniquely qualified to literally write a book on the subject. Those people are trouble makers and are not welcome here.

If this forum only had 25,000 legit registered members and over the years I had banned (not counting spammers) about 25 people who simply needed to go, that is 0.001%... that is 1 out of every 1000 members, which is almost nothing. However, you can see how loud that small spec is. You just hear the noise. What you do not hear, is how patient and tolerant I am as a moderator for all the rest of the time, but I don't get credit for that - nor am I looking for credit. But, I know what the reality is and that is good enough for me.
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It's worse than I thought

After viewing this video:
#338 Eric Dollard interview at Bedini-Lindemann 2013 - YouTube

It became clear that there is nothing going on at the "lab" at all.
Eric seemed tired and dejected and maybe a bit hopeless. It was sad to see.

As suspected, the whole outfit is adrift, no clear mission, with no organized effort.
Mr. Dollard claims that there is no one there to help build things and the only slated project is something called a "cosmic induction generator", which he has misgivings about. Apparently, this hasn't been started either, since he was using the future tense.

There are videos on the 'net of a lab being built back in March with surplus rolling in while the construction was in progress. Mr webster says that they purchased a broadcast transmitter in the mean time. What is that for?
What happened to all of that hustle and bustle portrayed in the video?

Was the construction vid put up to gather more donations for something that had no future?
There are too many conflicting statements here and elsewhere. The Dollard camp ( whatever groups of individuals that may be) needs to get things under control or perhaps get someone with management experience and listen to them.
Put up YOUR OWN official website, identify yourselves, get a clear mission,post progress videos, ask for donations or help as needed. Be open and honest, but most of all, DO SOMETHING!

EPD/Dollard should compile all of your footage and make/sell a documentary entitled "How not to manage a non-profit lab". You ARE the authorities on that subject.

This "down on my luck" stuff is getting old.
Like they say in NYC... "You got nothin'!"
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My post to you was because I felt that Dave Webster was being refereed to, obviously he did too and that's why he posted.

This topic did go out of control because of a lot of us and I apologize to everyone for my part in that. I hope it's clearer where I stand.
It is absolutely clear where you stand and I appreciate your clarifications.

From what I learned in Adam's email is that it appears that nearly the entire Ingegogo campaign success was due to both of our involvement and recommendations. That actually doesn't have anything to do with Ray's campaigning. Ray came to me asking for help and I was more than happy to do what I could - and I did. If Adam did what he said he did, I can clearly see where the success of the campaign came from. 2 people with big networks who promoted it. And who is patting themselves on the backs for being the heroes of the aetheric revolution? It's laughable if it weren't so sick.

When my promotions caused the traffic to explode at the Ingegogo campaign page - right after he asked for my help and I said I would help... He takes credit for it by immediately posting that the campaign has gone "viral" on its own. I didn't help to get recognition, but if he is going to actually give credit to it, it needs to be honest. Sorry, the campaign didn't go viral, it was from my promotions. Ray claimed it was all a communication issue. Really? He asked for my help, I agreed and said I would promote it, I did and the explosion in traffic he posted was from it going viral completely slapping me in the face for my contribution. He eventually gave a short mention of a "big thanks" to me for helping (after discussing it with Webster apparently), without retracting his "going viral" claims and left it at that. So, he allowed the viral claim to remain so that it looks like the success is from his campaigning efforts. That is the integrity that I experienced from Ray. Ray is essentially trying to take credit for other people's contributions - that is the plain and simple reality.

Anyway, a good portion of all of these arguments is because of assumptions and jumping the gun on these assumptions without ever taking the time to ask what's up. Quite a few people have done this already.

As I said, I find it most interesting that when I mention nefarious elements, which could have been ANYONE and doesn't even have to do with the organization, all 3 of them (Ray, John P and David W) thought it was a reference to them personally. If someone is innocent, they don't have to defend themselves when they were not named and I left it that vague. Obviously I expected people to assume who I was referring to, but again, Ray flushed himself out with his ridiculous battle cries and soapbox drama.

The first assumption by Dave was that I was trying to sabotage his fund raising efforts, when I was simply asking for people to donate cash directly to Eric. I didn't know he was trying to ask for money for the lab because I didn't hear that part and was surprised to find that it was indeed his intention to do so, which is 180 degrees contrary to my conversation with him where I stated very explicitly that any money from Eric's involvement with the conference is to go to the donations account. To me, that is a slap in my face and a violation of trust, while disrespecting the "chain of command" or leadership for the conference by never asking permission and just doing what he wanted to do anyway.

Because this is an indisputable fact and David's email to me was unjustified and "backwards" from reality, I snapped back at Dave about that email and then here comes Ray, accusing me of being a liar amongst other slanderous remarks. When I saw that, that became a huge problem and verified what I had been told about Ray, how he acts and who he is. This is why Ray is a liar, is proven to be a liar and he even posted his lies and accusations publicly. Unfortunately, some people here ate it up like candy and joined in on the attacks against me, all publicly recorded. But, I will have the "last laugh" as I told Ray, he dug himself a hole and that is where he is finding himself now. Ray lied by quoting me as saying he dug his own "grave". That is because he is a liar and taking things out of context. He shouldn't be putting quote marks around something I said unless I actually said it.

It is important to understand he is not doing these things out of a misunderstanding - he is very deliberate about his lies and accusations against me with the hopes of damaging people's trust in me for his own agenda. He is a snake - period.

Both him and John P are pontificating about what a nice, respectful and polite letter David W sent me - while David came clean that it was not a respectful letter. So, why both of them would be willing to claim it was a polite letter when it contained 1 accusation of me pulling a "stunt", 1 lie about me getting people to pay Eric cash "instead" of paying the lab, and 1 condescending remark about keeping my suggestions to myself when I never suggested anything. And for them to claim the letter was so polite shows how low they will go to distort reality and paint me as a liar. What I said was "OR, if you happen to have cash and want to make a donation, you can give it directly to Eric." The OR means another option, not "instead of" as David claimed - taking it out of context and distorting reality. It is a distortion and instead of seeing that, Ray slanders me, etc... and that is why he is in primary instigator of this entire event. He needed to be called out and Eric was adamant about this issue needing to go public. As you can see about the "Martian" statement - you all ALREADY heard publicly from Eric, but some still pretend they didn't hear from Eric yet in all of this.

In summary of all of this, I will post the email thread including a statement directly from Eric, which he aimed at all of them for sending me the emails to begin with. Then I will post the interview that I had with Eric and then you can all decide who is actually putting the non-profit organization and Eric's interest ahead of their own.
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It became clear that there is nothing going on at the "lab" at all. Eric seemed tired and dejected and maybe a bit hopeless. It was sad to see.

As suspected, the whole outfit is adrift, no clear mission, with no organized effort.
Actually, there is a very clear mission of what is to be done as it is Eric's mission. When I said there are nefarious elements around Eric, that isn't an analogy or metaphor, it is literal and Ray is just that and may not be the only one.

From what you hear from Eric, does that sound like I have been brainwashing Eric to go against Ray and the others? No. We see clearly that Eric has already had issues ongoing because there is another agenda in the mix, which goes contrary to what Eric actually wants to do. You can see how disappointed he has been and that has been the case for a long time!

If anyone can read between the lines, it should be MORE THAN OBVIOUS that everything Ray said about me is nothing but a completely fabricated lie (John P is obviously manipulated by him) - and like I said, if anyone convinced anyone of anything, it was Eric who made it abundantly clear that Ray is a primary problem! I could see that on my own with a few incidents, but I didn't know how far it had gone.

Between what you mention about this video interview and what Sputins pointed out about the pictures not happening the way Eric wants - it should be clear to everyone that Eric is absolutely NOT respected in his own organization. I believe Webster respects Eric, but he has also been deceived by those who speak with a forked tongue - aka Ray "Muhamad" or whatever you want to call him.

Again, there IS a mission for the lab that Eric has for it. Eric's mission simply needs to be acknowledged and supported for it to happen!

And here is another part of Ray - he has already offered the members of the organization the "just say the word" offer. Meaning, he will have his thug friends (or he will do it himself) go physically intimidate and threaten certain individuals who screwed with Eric in the past to get equipment back, etc... No matter how wrong those people may be, having someone openly willing to personally or have their friends engage in illegal activities dealing with the intent to physically harm people is NOT someone that should be a part of any organization. And this coming from Ray clearly shows that his claims that his "wild MMA" past (you can read his motorcycle description), etc... is really not his past. As I mentioned before, Ray never changed from who he used to be - the only thing he changed was his clothes.

So, I knowingly put my own personal safety at risk sticking up for Eric in this regard knowing what kind of person Ray is and what he is capable of doing. I also know it was the right thing to do and I'm ok with that. He needed to be exposed. But like I said in the Trials and Tribulations post, I'm not one to roll over like a dog that pees on itself and if Ray even so much as thinks about doing anything personally to me or having any of his friends try to do anything either, it will be met with a form of self defense that is beyond his comprehension.
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