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Old 10-18-2009, 06:23 AM
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Hi Jessica;

In deference to Rick I have resurrected this thread to continue our discussion.

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For example, the fig tree was specifically described as not being in season and therefor not having fruit (to me this shows it is innocent and not at fault).

Jesus had said he could move mountains, he walked on water, made food multiply, etc. He certainly could have caused the tree to bear fruit instead of cursing it.
I believe the following info. will help to understand what went on. It is from The International Bible Encyclopedia. FIG, FIG-TREE in the Bible Encyclopedia - ISBE (Bible History Online)

4. Early Figs:
These tiny figs develop along with the leaves up to a certain point--to about the size of a small cherry--and then the great majority of them fall to the ground, carried down with every gust of wind. These are the "unripe figs" (olunthos)--translated, more appropriately in the King James Version, as "untimely figs"--of Rev 6:13. Compare also Isa 34:4 the King James Version--in the Revised Version (British and American) "leaf" has been supplied instead of "fig." These immature figs are known to the fellahin as taksh, by whom they are eaten as they fall; they may even sometimes be seen exposed for sale in the markets in Jerusalem. In the case of many trees the whole of this first crop may thus abort, so that by May no figs at all are to be found on the tree, but with the best varieties of fig-trees a certain proportion of the early crop of figs remains on the tree, and this fruit reaches ripe perfection about June. Such fruit is known in Arabic as dafur, or "early figs," and in Hebrew as bikkurah, "the first-ripe" (Isa 28:4; Jer 24:2; Hos 9:10). They are now, as of old, esteemed for their delicate flavor (Mic 7:1, etc.).


5. The Cursing of the Barren Fig-Tree:
The miracle of our Lord (Mt 21:18-20; Mk 11:12,13,10,21) which occurred in the Passover season, about April, will be understood (as far as the natural phenomena are concerned) by the account given above of the fruiting of the fig-tree, as repeatedly observed by the present writer in the neighborhood of Jerusalem. When the young leaves are newly appearing, in April, every fig-tree which is going to bear fruit at all will have some taksh ("immature figs") upon it, even though "the time of figs" (Mk 11:13 the King James Version), i.e. of ordinary edible figs--either early or late crop--"was not yet." This taksh is not only eaten today, but it is sure evidence, even when it falls, that the tree bearing it is not barren. This acted parable must be compared with Lk 13:6,9; now the time of judgment was surely coming, the fate of the fruitless Jewish nation was forcibly foretold.

So Jesus was correct in expecting the tree to have fruit. I'm sure he could have caused it to bear fruit, but that would not have given the example he wished to teach.

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I don't see any other way to interpret that except for a loss of faith. It's basically the definition of loss of faith.
In addition to my previous comments there is no indication in this plea from the cross nor in scripture nor in any other source I know of to support that. If you know of any please let me know where it is.
He still proclaimed his faith in God (MY God, MY God...)and asked, in essence, "why have you abandoned me when, as an obedient son I have done all you assigned me, even through terrible agonies, up to and including giving up my life on this cross?"
I would expect if he had lost his faith he would have cried out something to the effect of what Job's wife told him to after all his losses and grief; "Curse God and die". (Job 2:9) But he didn't, he stayed on that cross and finished his mission. What he lost was his life, not his faith, and by so doing secured eternal life for all who believe in him as savior.

Well, I'm going to get some sleep and get rid of this headache; too many long days in a row, I guess. Until next time, be well.

Al
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