Previous Comments now enhanced posted on the previous thread: I've read this paper => http://www.free-energy.ws/pdf/mechanical_engine.pdf and it contains some flawed logic. In it I seemed to pick up such a high level of respect for Johann Bessler having been a "religious man" that he would never have misled anybody as if the man was PURE AS THE DRIVEN SNOW. For starters I would NEVER assume everything out of the mouth of a man who flips letters to hide his real name ("Ofyrreus or some such nonsense") to be Absolute Truth. I WOULD expect a lie to be used somewhere. Bessler's Big "Lie" was saying the balls had to be an Even Number. He said that to throw all you guys off. It was his way of exercising a form of Self Patenting to protect his ideas... and has so far protected his ideas for


Johann Bessler wasn't just covering his tracks => he was laying a trail of false breadcrumbs to take people further away til such time in the future he would decide to tell people his secret (after he got paid). I've done such temporary tricks myself so using the term LYING was a bit overboard. To make a circular engine using gravity there has to be an inherent out-of-balance condition (Odd number) that never has a chance of achieving a balanced condition. It has to keep trying, to keep "falling forward" hoping this last jump will be its last.

But another flaw -and the real reason that design can never work- has to do with it being a passive Weight-swinging design. Passive isn't enough to lift all those balls on the left side merely by swinging.

Imagine every home and apartment having a 3-4 foot diameter spinning device off in a closet near the electrical box, its outer rim turning a generator. Sure isn't rocket science because the larger rim ratio (low rpm) to the generator axle is many times enough to turn the generator a higher rpm and crank out plenty enough electric current to run the entire household 24 hours a day.


Every point on a wheel is a starting point. It isn't necessary to have one single force turn the wheel one complete revolution; it only has to move it to the next starting point. Any number of successive/repetitive bumps will keep the wheel moving. They do not have to be great grandiose bumps but correctly timed bumps.

Any time an Action can accomplish two bumps then you have passed the next point on the wheel. It works for a Gravity Wheel and works for other circular engines as well as long as the total weight of the wheel is kept balanced... so that any time the balls go airborne there's no negative forces on the wheel, so if the ball has several positives and in the middle it is rather airborne, you have a nearly frictionless system. As long as the total positives outnumbers the total of the negatives, you have "effective" frictionless energy <> an Effective Frictionless Engine.

It isn't rocket science; it's a pinball machine. I know it's scary opening the door but, somebody has to do it. I am that somebody. The previous gameplan is out of breath, wasted and waiting for the ambulance, time for a fresh man. Last year 2008 I had several unexpected insights into how a Gravity Wheel would work.

I had never studied Johann Bessler's work and still have not, but I have looked at John Collins pictures enough to figure out what Bessler did. I won't spend everybody's valuable time going into Bessler's ideas, how they possibly worked, nor why they failed to join Thomas Newcomen's steam engine enhancement that succeeded in the very same year as Bessler's first engine => 1712, the beginning of the Industrial Age.

Being of restricted funds as I have been on disability since 1989, as well as some other drawbacks, and after writing back and forth with Dr. Lindemann and John Collins and Scott Ellis and a few others versed in this issue, as well as much prayer to heaven, I will on March 8 6 PM Eastern Time open a new thread in this forum (which I later decided to change) and show exactly what tricks are needed to make a Gravity Wheel work.

My solution is different from Johann Bessler's but although not built upon his work there is a bit of Principle overlap, neither of which is Perpetual Motion, neither of which ever was about Perpetual Motion. At ground level where we humans live Gravity is a straight line force. A "Gravity Wheel" is an Energy Conversion device. It takes linear energy and converts it into circular energy that can drive a simple electrical generator to power homes and apartments all over the world.

Before 300 years <> before 2012.

CloudSeeder, Bringing the Spring rain and not hiding discoveries for 300 Years.