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Old 06-28-2019, 09:23 PM
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OK, all caught up on the amusing discussion over at OU; along with the great video's. Just for your own comfort, take heart in the fact that in general some egg head's get wrapped up in singularities, and I am fairly certain that's what happened with some of your fans at OU. Further, since many of the people involved in these topics are male, that amounts to a double strike against seeing what should have been obvious from the get go, and that's a fact of nature proven in numerous studies, and being aware of that fact is important to recognize if you are a male because it is our inclination to become blind to the surrounding information.


Objects that have more density than the surrounding matter will sink. The greater the density the higher the sink rate. The navies of the world have pretty much tried every conceivable way to make that happen, mostly by making holes in ships, which then obviously allows the lighter density of water to surround the object ship.

Steel is never going to find an equilibrium with water, as evidently someone over at OU thought, and such that it is suspended at some depth, which seems to have been one argument, and which seems to have arisen out of some disjointed notions about pressure. The displacement piston can only be supported by pressure density, which means the water must be contained since the water is not itself of the same density as the piston, and a hole through the piston makes that impossible even when connected to a riser tube. The piston is going to sink and the fluid is going to move up the riser tube. Evidently that concept was lost to some in the discussion, and whom seem to have thought even with a hole in the piston the piston would sit atop the water, but a hole allows the less dense water to move; a de facto envelopment.

As a side note: Pressure altitude density is an important factor in aviation and worth remembering because variables can alter the density of space. That understanding finally lead to the hypothesis that maybe the oceans themselves do funky things, from time to time, and not just the sky's over our own heads. This includes the possibility that gas release from oceans might explain the vanishing of ships since that would change the density of the surrounding volume of water: I'm sure you're familiar with the concept. In truth we are probably just now getting the some kind of similar concept about the atmosphere itself as a possible explanation for mysterious aviation disasters.

My point is, if there is a will, there is a way, and just because you begin with one density does not mean you have to end up only using that density in fluids and gases, and if Ken Wheeler is correct, and he is, then that also applies to solid objects as well: Understand? It's just something I think is worth bearing in mind because options always exist to make the impossible and improbable possible.

As you are obviously aware, the weight of a piston determines the pressure applied to the fluid beneath, while the diameter of the inlet determines the head pressure and therefore how high or far it can potentially move. Head pressure being akin to temp in thermometer, but in addition what isn't being taken into account by fans over at OU is the water pressure at the inlet that leads down from the holding tank, and which falls slightly more than five feet down to the first point of inlet where: *Atmospheric pressure is double for every ten feet of depth. So that pressure is further exploitable by the diameter of the inlet hole.

A potential force multiplication exists since a 63" inch depth is slightly over 5 feet, so you have a 1.5 atmospheric pressure potential, and not just the 14.7lbs standard air pressure at sea level. * Note that this varies according to the actual outside air pressure (*real and true air density is altitude pressure), but standard is 14.7 lbs at sea level for calculation purposes. Therefore slightly over 22.5 Lbs of pressure exists at the bottom of pipe leading down from the the holding tank. I'm not sure if the fans you're accumulating have considered the aforementioned and so I bring these to you for consideration.

That inlet pressure is a factor to take into consideration, and when taken in with the diameter of the inlet hole, should determine the head pressure of the inlet water. I'm not sure this is something taken into account and probably needs some more figuring to see if this matters, and if so is it an exploitable matter to consider?

The other thing was this discussion which resulted in some video's. Water has a density that is less than steel/iron and because of that fact any material of greater density will sink if the displacement of the volume of mass is breached. In other words, the a hole in the middle of your design reproduces that breach, and therefore the displacement piston sinks forcing the volume below it to rise. I can't believe it took a video to show that. Nevertheless, I still enjoyed the work and effort of that was put forth to prove the point.
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