03-12-2019, 01:12 AM
 Aaron Co-Founder & Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 11,007
Open System Thermodynamics

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 Originally Posted by Iamnuts Anything that is an open system doesn't really cut it in the context of true overunity. Let's call that one an energy management system. John

That is profound ignorance to the nth degree.

Open systems (non-equilibrium thermodynamics or open dissipative systems) are the very foundation for every single over 1.0 COP system, which is overunity.

I posted the MIT paper showing over 200% more light from an LED compared to the input requirement. 30mw in and 70mw of measurable light out. Why? Because that system is OPEN to free environmental heat input, which can enter the circuit and add to the total input.

At 100% efficient just for the sake of an example, that means 40mw of heat enters the system + 30mw from the power supply for a total of 70mw input and with 70mw of light output that is 100% efficient, which is the ratio between total in compared to total out. If the power supply supplies 30mw and heat supplies and equivalent of 70mw that is 100mw input and 70mw output = 70% efficient.

In the first example, we only supply 30mw (which is what MIT actually did) and 70mw of light. Coefficient of Performance is 70/30 = 233% more work done than they had to pay for and is a COP of 2.33 and still the efficiency does not exceed 100%.

In the second example, 70mw of light is produced for 100mw input. Efficiency is 70% while the COP is 0.7 COP.

This is a non-equilibrium thermodynamic system and is considered as such because the free environmental input for that system happens to be heat, which while it enters the system, it delays (not prevents) it from moving towards entropy or delays it from moving towards equilibrium. Therefore, it is a non-equilibrium thermodynamic system and IS the very definition of an open system. Closed system thermodynamics does NOT apply to the MIT led study that shows gains above unity and the same applies to heat pumps, the same applies to chemical systems, the same applies to overunity magnetic or mechanical systems, etc.

You have just proved yourself to be profoundly ignorant in such topics and from here on out, it is no longer ignorance. It would be classified as stupidity because now you know better.

You also seem to be ignorant of the fact that that the academic world EMBRACES non-equilibrium thermodynamics and their application to open systems. It applies to economic models and even social models. When a community comes together with people, it is an example of reverse entropy and is a self-ordering effect - the exact same as all of the free energy systems - there is a self-ordering mechanism by which disordered potential enters the system as it is polarized and become ordered. It is negentropic while free input delays entropy - during that time, more work can be done than we have to pay for on the input.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/ch.../1977/summary/

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/ch...press-release/

These overunity systems ARE dissipative structures that operate in conjunction with their environment. Thermodynamics was advanced in 1977 but apparently, the whole world of physics forgot to personally inform you. It's possible your ludicrous, insane claims are correct and Nobel Prize winning science is incorrect, but I know where I'll put my money. The very existence and acknowledgement by physics and the academic world as a whole regarding open dissipative systems / non-equilibrium thermodynamic systems flushes your nonsensical, delusional claims down the drain.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/ch...remony-speech/

"Prigogine and his assistants chose instead to study systems which follow non-linear kinetic laws and which, moreover, are in contact with their surroundings so that energy exchange can take place – open systems, in other words. If these systems are driven far from equilibrium, a completely different situation results. New systems can then be formed which display order in both time and space and which are stable to perturbations. Prigogine has called these systems dissipative systems, because they are formed and maintained by the dissipative processes which take place because of the exchange of energy between the system and its environment and because they disappear if that exchange ceases. They may be said to live in symbiosis with their environment."

If your complete misunderstanding of Newton and conventional thermodynamics applies to electrical systems, then it must apply to chemical, social and other systems. What you find is that your claims are delusional and have no basis in reality and this Nobel Prize winning material that is highly respected among all the top thermodynamicists in the world shows that your claims regarding equal and opposite reactions, etc. are pure nonsense and do not apply to all systems because if it did, these dissipative structures would not exist and they do.

Open System Thermodynamics by Peter Lindemann - a must watch presentation by Peter Lindemann on this topic, which even you could understand!
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Aaron Murakami

Last edited by Aaron; 03-12-2019 at 04:52 AM.