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Old 06-20-2016, 08:02 PM
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hello Bitstander

Yes I agree that the C20 and C15 or the C10 rates do
not seem to apply with these Lithium ion batteries.

This is my first test ever with this kind of battery.

Also Lithium ion batteries are not generally charged by
such low rates like 100ma so I really am at a loss to
apply any such standards as we do with lead acid wet cells.

However I have concluded that each time I charge these
batteries I get a certain voltage for a full charge at about
4 volts after 20 minutes.

During my recirculating split positive runs I speculated
that since as little as 60ma was being returned at the end
that these batteries eventually ran down.

Also I have concluded that if I let the batteries set on the
table for a day that the same amount of power is still in them
as when I had left them.

I have also concluded that I don't know much about the
charge, discharge rates or capacity for true baseline
standards for lithium ion batteries. I maybe that the 2 ah
rating on these cells is not the actual value. This would not
surprise me as lead/acid batteries are regularly only good
for 60 percent of their joule count.

Whatever the joule count is splitting the positive is not suppose
to care. The claim is that energy is recirculated back to
battery C while running loads off of the elevated potential
difference from series batteries B & C.

I have concluded that the system does recirculate energy.

I have concluded so far with test #1 that these batteries charge
up to 4.2volts and discharge to 3.2volts as specified by the
manufacturer of these batteries.

I will have to re-figure the real amp hour ratings and their "C"
rate that is probably designed for a C5, you are right., but then
I am not sure yet about Lithium ion batteries.

This leads us to consider the possibility that internal resistance
from loading batteries at a great rate might waste some power.

Based on my observations in this simple split positive first
run I can get more energy out of this set up with the same
batteries. And it looks like I just got 50 percent more before
the system went dead.

Whatever the joule count is suppose to be the claim is that
all power can be recirculated and if correctly done will result
in a circuit that runs loads for free.

My test of course is inconclusive, so a self runner is out, THUS FAR!!

This testing has finished and I will be back with a joule count.

This document says C2 and C1 rates apply

So I don't know what I am doing with these batteries. Yeah these
batteries were a poor choice.


Last edited by BroMikey; 06-20-2016 at 09:15 PM.
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