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Old 03-28-2016, 03:47 AM
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I think I can. Would have to experiment to grasp it fully, and I'm not equiped for that...
Correct, its the only way to grasp what is happening.

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The Siemens device shows that an induction takes place (creates a current) from the interaction between the shaft's coil moving in front of the electro-magnets.
Correct, standard generation .

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Let's say that the Lockridge device's 3 external coils (trifilar) are intended as an impedance matchers ; for the sake of simplification, let's consider only 2 of them (pretending they do the job).

We know there is a big capacitor too, in th form of 2 copper layers. What can be the capacitance here ? 1, 2, 3... farads ?
OK

The capacitance is unknown as the gaps between the butcher paper and copper are variable in a hand made capacitor. I did do the calculations and the capacitance was smaller than I expected. I cant remember off hand what I came up with but it wasn’t even in the ball park based upon what I thought at the time.



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Here's "my" possible wiring version (for now) : (in textual description, because my drawing attemps all were awfuls)

From the first leg of the capacitor,
connect the impedance matchin coil 1;
it outputs to the brush A to the shaft's coil 1, that outputs to the brush A',
which feeds the first field electro-magnetic coil.
Series wound?

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There, already, when the shaft's coil is launched by hand in front of the field electro-magnet (external force) , should have been generated a current between cap's leg1 and field electro-magnetic coil pair 1's output (Siemens device principle).
OK

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Let's input the latter output to the second field electro-magnetic coil pair 2, which outputs to the shaft's coil 2 (through the brushes B-B', in attraction mode)
You have lost me, which is the latter? Spell it out like you did in the last paragraph.

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Let's finally output the brush B' to the impedance matching coil n°2, which ends in the second leg of the capacitor.

Now the capacitor is charged (at least by the bemf), ready to discharge.

The turning shaft exchanges again its coils to be exposed, which closes the circuit again, while the running shaft's momentum re-generates an additional electric burst again.
I dont get it because I cant visualise your previous paragraph, Please try again.




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Conclusion :

As this whole serial cuircuit can be fed again by the now charged capacitor, it should "suffice" to find how to generate big enough in order to allow a compensating motoring action back.

The matter of permanent magnets is that they have permanent strong opposing field resistance to the shaft's coil which is "incoming from the wrong direction" (remember : for the Siemens generator to produce current, the coil must pass its corresponding field coil in "reverse direction").

But here, because we're dealing with electro-magnetic coils (thoses which opposes and attracts the shaft's coils), the commutation off-state moment helps further the non-impeded momentum of the shaft.

Anyway, because of the general induction, there's an augmented current burst due to the very nature of the external trifilar, adding to their impedance matching intention.

Does that make sense ?
I think I know what your getting at but I want to understand so please try to explain a bit like your explaining it to a child, then there is no assumptions and misinterpretations.

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I have nothing to try my idea for now (I don't have any suitable induction brushed motor at hand).

Let's keep in mind that the generated current must be enough for a motoring action AND feeding a moderate external load !

But we know that it's been made before... Don't we ?


(please pardon my gibberish)
Dont worry about that, your theories can be tested verbally before you go to the expense of building something. Testing Ideas verbally is frowned upon by some, so if you get unnecessary criticism just ignore it.

The next stage will be so simulate it, there are several circuit simulators free on line. Dont try to simulate the whole thing, just each individual stage, one after the other.

Then when we have the concrete ideas we can choose a donor device and start to work with that. We would be coming from a position of understanding that way, far too many just jump in and try to make something and then dont understand why it does not work.
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