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Old 12-28-2014, 01:01 AM
Vinyasi Vinyasi is offline
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catalyst is an electron intermediary...

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Originally Posted by tutanka View Post
exaust gas formed from water steam and nitrogen are just the carrier.. ammonia is present because is present ionziatione but without hydrogen and nitrogen atoms and catalyst you can't obtain that. For ammonia creation you need high temperature and high pressure.
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ionziatione
, you mean to say: ionization?

Is not a highly ionized field of gases also subjected to high temperature and pressure? In other words, a plasma? Does not a plasma want to expand? If so, it wouldn't want to expand due to a temperature and pressure decrease or while maintaining a state of equilibrium, would it? Or, would it?

And the iron or other catalyst used in the Haber-Bosch process (ruthenium), for example, is an electron intermediary serving in a capacity similar to an equivalent result obtained from sustaining a high positive voltage field producing mono-atomic nitrogen and hydrogen ions?

I think your use of water is another way to mono-atomize the nitrogen and hydrogen. It conforms to Sir Humphry Davy' quote, oft used by Aaron, that...

A catalyst is an electron donor and/or receptor, used over and over. But a high voltage is a field sustained by the driving mechanism surrounding the field. So long as the field is sustained, catalysis will continue regardless of how it is sustained: whether chemically by the presence of iron, or electrostatically by a high voltage, positively charged field.

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Aanlizyng better satn meyer injector is clear that main object was convert water steam into hidrogen/oxygen. The high voltage is just for ignition not for obtain the reaction. The correct design of water injector was different from the patent. My theory, and from other persons, was that Stan Meyer don't had clear as device really work .. air ionization is an clear fake isn't the sponge of electrons of water molecules.
The only objective method of settling this difference of opinion is to test out any design in an environment free of nitrogen. In other words, the air intake for the engine has to be fed pure oxygen, and the air gap in the fuel tank and fuel lines - aka, where ever there is a gaseous gap or the presence of gaseous bubbles in the fuel - has to also be exclusively pure oxygen, and the water has to be pre-boiled and resuffused with oxygen alone while allowed to raise to room temperature before filling the fuel tank with it and also before running the test.

This test would have to be the most common grueling test for any so-called water fed engine - the same test for any other standard car: idled with an inertial load to replicate the condition of driving up a steep hill for a lengthy period of time.
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