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Old 01-29-2014, 06:38 PM
Vinyasi Vinyasi is offline
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Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
Just for the full Sir Humphrey Davy reference:

The Bakerian Lecture, on Some Chemical Agencies of Electricity. [Abstract]I think the Bakerian paper has the reference of:
Nascent Hydrogen. The doctrine of the nascent state has been developed, for the most part, in terms of hydrogen. Davy noticed in 1807 that electrolytic hydrogen will combine with nitrogen in the presence of water, while ordinary hydrogen will not.

The Nascent State, J. H. Reedy and E. D. Biggers, J. Chem. Educ., 1942, 19 (9), p 403, DOI: 10.1021/ed019, p403, Publication Date: September 1942.

Here is the full Bakerian paper for free - I don't recall if that reference
is in this paper or another.
The Bakerian Lecture: On Some Chemical Agencies of Electricity — Philosophical Transactions

In any case, it is NOT necessary for anyone to know anything about this
paper to do the experiments. I'm posting it because it is simply the oldest
reference I know of showing that where there is nitrogen in the presence
of water being split that hydrogen will bond to the nitrogen.

In that Bakerian paper, you'll also see references to the nitrogen
"dissolved gases" that Meyer always talks about even though the Meyer
"gurus" make it sound like the amount is insignificant. Those opinions are
irrelevant and have been for over 200 years. There are significant
pH changes, etc... in the water and is known, shown, scientifically
validated that much of the action with simply "water" can create various
chemicals other than just those strictly related to H and O - and in this
Davy paper, there is a whole section on "dissolved gases", word for work
what Meyer is talking about.

Now when bubbling ambient air or exhaust nitrogen through water, you'll
have more nitrogen available than just water that has been "exposed to
air" as Davy discusses.

Just for a reference and interesting history that backs what is discussed
in this thread and just for fun - and it is NOT required to understand these
references to make something work. Just good to have the references to
substantiate the principles that are involved in making real water fuel.

If that Bakerian paper doesn't have the reference, please let me know and
I'll try to find it in the other papers.

Here is an old post with a bunch of other nh3 creation references from
way back:
I'm beginning to suspect that Genepax managed to take Stanley Meyer's technology one step further....

If we electrically connect the chamber wherein the nitrogen plus hydrogen converts into ammonia with another chamber where the ammonia is catalyzed to convert back into nitrogen, then these two chambers could develop electrical potentials between them capable of generating current sufficient to supply an electric load, such as: an electric motor.

So, Genepax may have developed a fuel cell (far superior to the conventional wisdom) utilizing the benefit of hydrogen and nitrogen -- conversion into ammonia -- generating a negative charge, and the conversion of ammonia plus oxygen back into nitrogen (with water as a byproduct) generating a positive charge.

Since their debut in 2008(?), Genepax has been muted....

Genepax (Japanese Water Car Company) Shut to Silence - The Green Optimistic

....they must be onto something. Anyone who can take water and air and turn it into electricity -- on the fly -- to run a car must be doing something right.

Japanese to mass produce cars that run off water! - YouTube

Or else, could I be reading too much into this story by weaving a fantastic fable?

Links in Japanese >>


Genepax Water Car from Japan TV - YouTube


Japanese water powered car 2 - YouTube
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