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Old 05-22-2012, 02:18 PM
Michael C Michael C is offline
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Answer to MonsieurM #1905:

Ah yes, the Völuspa. The rise and shine, and the Armageddon, and the paradise of the 3rd heavenly world, and so the end of it all. But the last verse is difficult to interpret. The word nái in the original transcript hold the key to a good or bad end to the story and I can't find a translation to it. Only reference is to a children's jingle from Faroe islands. It can be interpreted as "lik" which can mean "corpse" or "lookalike". If the feathered snake is carrying Nidhöggs (snake of evil) corpse, it's a good end of story. If the feathered snake looks like Nidhögg, we're in trouble. The jingle from Faroe islands goes Nina nina nái. Nina means hiding under a tree or similar. You could hide a corpse under a tree (nordic traditional culture are somewhat brute, it's fully plausible with children singing songs about hiding corpses) but hiding and trying to look like a tree makes equal sense. I guess it makes some sense in the end with these alternative ends. A single comma totally changes the end of the story.



Let's apply the 3 6 9 rule:


3. In the dawn of the ages
when Ymer lived
were no sand, nor sea
no waves in the water
the earth were not
nor heaven
an abyss were there
but no grass anywhere


From the giant Ymer grows water, wind, earth, fire.

6. Then all powers
went to their thrones
high gods
held their counsel
through night and dawn
they gave names
to morning
and midday
afternoon and evening
to count the years


Names are given to things as time before the world even exist. Time is older than the physical world.

9. Then all powers
to their thrones went
and held their counsel
who among dwarfs
would create
from bloody waves
and Blains bones

(Blain=Ymer)

The world is created by the dwarfs from the body of Ymer.

12. Veig and Gandalv,
Vindalv, Train,
Täck and Torin,
Tro, Vitr and Lit,
Na and Nyrad.
Now the dwarfs are mentioned
- Regin och Radsvid -
correctly.

(see also more names in verses 10 and 11)

15. There were Draupner
and Dolgtraser,
Ha, Haugspore,
Lävang, Gloe,
Dore, Ore,
Duv, Andvare,
Skirver, Virver,
Skavid, Ae.

(first generations of inhabitants of the world)

18. Spirit they had none
Judgment they had none
no blood, no sound,
no colour.
Odin gave them their spirit
Höner gave them judgment
Lodur gave them blood
and a lively colour.


Odin brought soul to the inhabitants of the earth. I guess some other gods would disagree but the Völuspa is a prediction told by a Völva to Odin himself, and I guess he would be flattered.

21. That battle she remembers
The first in the world
When they with spears
Pierced Gullveig
And in the Highest’s hall
burned her body.
Three times they burned
the three times born,
often, not seldom
yet still she is alive.


24. A spear thrown by Odin
and sent into the herd
that battle too
were the first in the world.
Broken were the breastwork
at the Asa castle
over captured fields
the Vanes could advance.


27. She knows Heimdall’s
sounding horn be caused
by the heavenly high
holy tree.
On this tree she sees flooding
A sandmixed flood
from Valfaders lot.
Do you know more, and what?

(Valfader=Odin)

30. She sees valkyrias
coming from far away
ready to do
the ride to Godtjod
Skuld held armor
And Skogul were the other
Gunn, Hild, Gondul,
And Geirskogul
Now are the army’s
warmaidens mentioned.
Valkyrias, ready
to ride upon the earth.


33. His hands he did not wash
His hair he did not comb
Until he to the bonfire had carried
Balder’s enemy.
But Frigg cried
In the halls of Fen
Over Valhall’s misfortune.
Do you know more, and what?


Frigg = Odins’ wife. Balder='Christ', and son of Odin and Frigg.

36. A river from the east
Through dark valleys flow
With swords and battleknifes
Slidr is it’s name


39. There she saw
In rapid streams wade
Betraying men
Outlawed murderers
And those, who are prone
To other’s wives.
There Nidhögg
Sucked the dead bodies
The behemoth teared the men apart
Do you know more, and what?


The snake Nidhögg represents all evil in the world.

42. Sat on the hill
And played the harp
Guardian of ‘gygen’(?)
The cheerful Eggder.
Over him crowed
In the firtree-forest
A red rooster
Who’s name was Fjalar.


45. Brothers shall fight
And slay each other
Sister’s children
Their affinity waste
Rough is the world
Sometimes very
Axetime, swordtime
Shields will split
Wind age, wolf age
Before the world will fall
No man shall
Another man spare.


48. What is it with the Asa?
What is it with the elfs?
The giants grumble
The Asa having a meeting
Dwarfs groan
In front of the stone doors
The mountainside’s wise men
Do you know more, and what?


Armageddon is coming, the asa-gods summon their allies to the last battle of their civilisation.

51. The ship comes from the east
Over the sea will Muspell’s
Army arrive,
And Loke leads them.
Behemoth’s fry’s
With the wolf is coming
Byleipt’s brother
Is with them.


Loke, one of the asa-gods and as always the betrayer.

54. Garm now barks horrendously
In front of the cave
The chain shall break
And free become the wolf


The wolf Fenris and the snake Nidhögg, both Loke's children, rage the world.

57. The sun will blacken
Earth sink into the sea
Falling from the stronghold
The flaming stars.
Up rises mist
And flames
The heat playing high
At the heaven itself


60. The Asa meet
At the field of Ida
And about the girdle of earth
The giant snake, speak.
Remembering
Awkward destiny’s
And Fimbultyrs
Ancient runes.


Last battle.

63. Then might Höner
spread the fates of luck
And the both brother’s
Children occupy
The vast Vindhem.
Do you know more and what?


From the devastation, a golden age rises.

66. Then comes the shadow’s
Dragon flying
A shiny snake, from below,
From the Nida mountains
In feathers carried
While flying over the plain
Nidhögg alike.
Now she will sink.


...but either ends because a new snake occurs. Or, in an alternative translation:

In it's feathers carrying,
while flying over the plain,
Nidhöggs corpse.

Just a matter of a comma in the 1913 swedish translation

Is it Quetzalcoatl?
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