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Old 03-30-2012, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by garrettm4 View Post
Well sir, there CAN NOT be an OSCILLATION without the employment of a CONJUGATE FIELD OF INDUCTION, in the case of a transformer (a magnetic element) we need a DIELECTRIC ELEMENT to ALLOW for such an even to occur.
That is an interesting statement, which is not entirely true at the fundamental level, IMHO.

Let's first go back to what Eric said some time ago:

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It is generally considered that any wave must consist of a conjugate pair of energies, magnetic and dielectric let's say. Only then an interaction between time and space is possible. As I have shown recently it is through the union of a conjugate pair (L and C) that the dimension of time is produced. The propagation constant is then equal to:

(1) Negative Gamma Square

Having a pair of imaginary roots, plus j Gamma and minus j Gamma

It is however that the JJ Thompson Longitudinal Dielectric Motions cannot have a periodic solution, there is one energy only, dielectric. This needs to be resolved.
Fundamentally, you need some kind of momentum in order to have oscillation or wave movement trough the medium, yes. However, that momentum does not HAVE to be magnetic in nature. That is, there is no need for the momentum to be of a ROTATIONAL nature, as is the fundamental nature of the magnetic field.

In other words: the inductance we work with, the magnetic inductance, is NOT a fundamental property of the aether. There is a more fundamental kind of momentum, which somehow gives rise to the magnetic momentum by means of some kind of rotational propagation. And when we are considering the magnetic momentum as a fundamental property of the aether, we are overlooking this more fundamental, non-rotational momentum, which is why we cannot find periodic solutions to longitudinal dielectric motions. There IS another energy we need to consider...


I believe the work of Paul Stowe to give important clues of how to resolve the problem put forth by Eric. Don't be bothered too much by Stowe's choice of dimensions as Eric did previously (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post173400). Stowe's dimensions are the result of the way he describes the properties of the medium in terms of Newtonian fluid dynamics. I totally agree with Eric that this is not the correct way to describe the properties of the medium and that it eventually leads to incorrect dimensions. So, yes, this is an issue that needs to be resolved and CAN be resolved. For now, just consider it an important detail to be resolved later.

What Stowe gives us, is a mathematical framework that goes a long way of connecting all aspects of physics into one unified theory, even though there are some questions left that may very well have to do with his choice of dimensions:

Tuks DrippingPedia : Stowe Personal E Mail

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What I don't know is why the value of the Magnetic Moment Anomaly is required to bring the more basic expressions in line with measurements. What I do know is the MMA is the square of the dielectic and magnetic suseptability of air. Don't know why this is either.
All right. In his article about the nature of charge, he first of all notes that the aether MUST be compressible:

Tuks DrippingPedia : Stowe Nature Of Charge

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with the incompressible assumption, there can be no change in density. [...] This definition requires infinite propagation speeds of any perturbations in such incompressible systems, eliminating any possibility of wave activity.
And then he continues explaining a unique characteristic of all compressible media, which is required for acoustic (longitudinal) waves to propagate:

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Conversely, in compressible mediums we see that (rho)Div v equals the time rate of change in the density d(rho)/dt. For the limit, as a volume element [s] go to zero, we get:

s(rho)Div v = s(d(rho)/dt)

This is based on the observation that for the two terms to sum to zero, and therefore must have opposite signs. This leads directly to:

mDiv v = dm/dt

And cannot be zero. This is an important finding, it describes a unique characteristic of all compressible systems. The result of this is a fixed finite propagation speed for any perturbations in the resulting continuum, leading to standard acoustic behavior.

In general the physical consequences of this definition has been overlooked, due to an almost universal adoption of the 'assumption' of incompressibility, in evaluating the general behavior of such systems. This eliminates many higher order terms, greatly simplifying the equations, and generally doesn't introduce significant errors in the results obtained.

It does however eliminate this property and any resulting consequences from any such evaluations. As should be obvious, as a limit, this definition has a unique value fixed by the density and velocity of the constitute continuum.

So, what is the above equation saying? It appears to be saying that compressible medium will have a basic oscillation of density fluctuation occurring continuously.
Now let's jump to his conclusion:
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Thus, there should be little doubt, given the preceding presentation, that the property we call charge is an inevitable result of field compressibility and inexorably connected to the wave properties of the continuum.

Moreover, given this definition, Permitivitty and Permeability which today have arbitrary definitions, become density and inverse energy density (pressure/modulus). This facilitates the conversion of all EM/QM properties into prosaic medium properties and results in a completely consistent system that will match all physical observations.
Of course, if "all EM/QM properties" can be converted into "prosaic medium properties", you can also go the other way around.

And that I think is basically what needs to be done with this theory. Then you should end up with a theory that unifies all of physics into one unified theory, thus uniting all of physics by a compressible aether defined in terms of EM properties....






BTW, Stowe also gives a theoretical relation between the propagation speed of longitudinal (compression) waves and transverse (shear) waves:

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For a solid we have the further complication of whether we are evaluating the compression or shear . The relationship between these two in a perfect elastic medium is that the shear wave travel at a speed Sqrt(3) time slower than the compression wave.
sqrt(3) is about 1.73, pretty close to the pi/2 we have been calculating with thus far. Of course, this has to do with "real" transverse waves, which are different beasts than EM waves in the far field, which means you COULD have differences between the near field and the far field that could lead to errors in the calculations.

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