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Old 11-25-2011, 07:42 PM
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more work than we starte with

Originally Posted by Mario View Post
You talk about work being done, but if like we said, the mechanical is left out of the equation there is no work being done, There is one battery charging another with a circuit who's efficiency is 65%. In this case we were strictly talking about units put in and out which clearly and mathematically results in energy being lost, if we compare total initial energy with total left after the runs.
This is why in this example we shouldn't even be talking about COP the way we are calculating units. In order to know the COP we would actually have to do the experiment and see if in the end we are left with more energy, than we had in the beginning, thanks to an environmental gain showing up in the battery, whatever the source is (vacuum, ZPF..), then we could see if the total final energy would be more than the operator had to invest. This is how I see it anyways...
Hi Mario,

Leaving the mechanical out of it does not mean no work is being done.
Which I'm only saying to leave it out just for the sake of example.

If you put a current sensing resistor on the negative line and measure
across it, I can assure you very real work in measurable joules of energy
is being done. You can add up that work using a scope that can record
it and do an integrated power analysis like this:
Detailed Integrated Power Analysis of Ainslie Circuit - YouTube
That is just an example using the Ainslie circuit but you can know with
a high degree of accuracy exactly how much work left the battery.

If you start with 1000, that is the input work we had to pay for.
Anything that we get in recovery batteries, that winds up doing work
on its own, was after the fact of the 1000 initially spent. The investment
of the input was only 1000.

1000 was not just the input, but that is also 1000 worth of work being

If we recover 65% that is 650 worth of work that can be done from
what winds up in the recovery battery and we put that on the front and
use it up, we got another 650 worth of work done.

If we recover 65% of that is 422 in work. We put that on the front
and we can do 422 in work for example.

There are obviously a lot of factors involved with this, it would run the
energizer slower, etc... but the point is made.

That is 1000 + 650 + 422 = 2072 units of work performed that is
measurable and we only started with 1000.

That is a cop of 2.072. Total work done compared to our input that we
had to invest.
Aaron Murakami

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