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Old 11-24-2011, 09:36 PM
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cop vs efficiency

Originally Posted by Mario View Post
Results: in the beginning we had a total of 3000+1500=4500 units. At the end we have 1500+2422.5=3922.5 units. I wouldn't call this OU as we end up with less energy than we started with, do you agree?
I don't agree. "OU" or over 1.0 cop does not mean you don't have losses.
It means more joules in measurable work was performed than the measurable
amount of joules that we had to pay for.

You are overlaying the meaning of efficiency on top of COP and they
are not the same thing. Even a self running motor is under 100% efficient
because there are losses in friction, electrical resistance, etc... but
is still over 1.0 cop or "overunity".

It looks like you expect a requirement of no loss in order to be "OU" but
that doesn't really have anything to do with OU. OU may include a self
runner but OU can still be a system that demonstrates more work out
than what we put in. In my over simplified example, there was more
work performed than what we initially invested. That is over 1.0.

A refrigerator is a legitimate "overunity" device - the fridge sitting in my
kitchen is probably COP 3.0. There are real losses in the system, a lot
of them, but more joules in work are performed than the measurable amount
of joules that left the wall. If you convert the work in electricity done
into BTU and you calculate how many BTU's of heat moved around in
the system, it is MORE than the BTU equivelant in electricity used from
the wall. Over 1.0 cop or "overunity" and still with plenty of losses.

As far as your radiant energy questions, etc... nobody can say exactly
what is happening. But in the model I subscribe to, I believe the radiant
spike of negative voltage is a strong suction...all gas pressure analogies.
Aaron Murakami

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